Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?

[moonslav59]

And then...

 

Ok?

 

JBJ has a long history of showing he can have significant hot streaks that are good enough to make his seasonal numbers decent or better than decent, especially when factoring in his excellent defense and base running.

 

Swihart has never shown he can hit over .800 for a 900 PA stretch like JBJ did from 2015-2016.

 

JBJ had a .793 OPS in over 1400 PAs from 2015-2017. That's a pretty significant sample size compared to Swihart's last 23 PAs and a 300 PA season back in 2015 where he hit an astounding .712.

 

Am I missing your point?

[Jasonbay44]

Despite his awful luck for a few months, JBJ has really turned it up recently. His defense is always good, but when he hits, it makes this team so much better. Having Mookie hit with a guy on base with speed, who can steal bases is such a great asset. I'm glad we didn't listen to all the jack asses who wanted him DFA/cut/traded.

[S5Dewey]

Despite his awful luck for a few months, JBJ has really turned it up recently. His defense is always good, but when he hits, it makes this team so much better. Having Mookie hit with a guy on base with speed, who can steal bases is such a great asset. I'm glad we didn't listen to all the jack asses who wanted him DFA/cut/traded.

 

Some of them will be easy to identify. They'll be the ones sporting the Ace bandages on their ankles from jumping off - and then back on - the JBJ bandwagon.

[moonslav59]

Despite his awful luck for a few months, JBJ has really turned it up recently. His defense is always good, but when he hits, it makes this team so much better. Having Mookie hit with a guy on base with speed, who can steal bases is such a great asset. I'm glad we didn't listen to all the jack asses who wanted him DFA/cut/traded.

 

"Recently" is now up to 3 full months.

 

His low point was May 12th at .510. He's had a couple short dipd along the way, as everyone has, but he gone up steadily every 15 days for 6 straight half month check points.

 

He's at .694 now.

[Slasher9]

outside of a 6 game stretch where he struck out seemingly every AB, JBj has hit the ball on the screws for the entire season. his BABIP was insanely low. the hard hit balls have now been falling in for a good stretch.

but i will go back to what i have said about JBj all along...he can literally go 1 for 10 (.100) all season long and he is my starting CFer. his defense is that good.

[OH FOY]

JBJ's OPS means very little to me, what does affect the team more is his OB%. You have a kid behind him where his OPS is 1.106. Base hits and walks, and Clutch hits, and I'm good.

Getting on base, and getting the Best Hitters up in the Line-up, while he's on base helps everyone. He's a good base runner too.

Almost like the 9th hitter on this team, should have a Lead-off mentality. Get on base, anyway you can.

Edited August 13, 2018 by OH FOY!

[Slasher9]

JBJ's OPS means very little to me, what does affect the team more is his OB%. You have a kid behind him where his OPS is 1.106. Base hits and walks, and Clutch hits, and I'm good.

Getting on base, and getting the Best Hitters up in the Line-up, while he's on base helps everyone. He's a good base runner too.

 

maybe the manager should put the 1.106 hitter in a different part of the lineup? perhaps 3rd or 4th? you know, spots where you arent relying in your 9th place hitter to get on base in front of you? that's what the 1 & 2 hitters are for............

[notin]

maybe the manager should put the 1.106 hitter in a different part of the lineup? perhaps 3rd or 4th? you know, spots where you arent relying in your 9th place hitter to get on base in front of you? that's what the 1 & 2 hitters are for............

 

Normally I’d advocate dropping Betts down in the lineup, preferably simply to the 2 spot.

 

But when you’re 50 games over .500 in mid-August, maybe it’s not the time to tinker...

[OH FOY]

You want extra at bats, especially if you get into a game where he might miss the extra at bat, and could be a difference in a tie, and a win. Astros did it with Springer too. He cranked 34 HRS in lead-off spot. I think Cora using same formula.

[Slasher9]

You want extra at bats, especially if you get into a game where he might miss the extra at bat, and could be a difference in a tie, and a win. Astros did it with Springer too. He cranked 34 HRS in lead-off spot. I think Cora using same formula.

 

i dont disagree with Betts batting leadoff. i'm just not going to complain if my #9 hitter has a low OBP.....

[kenmeister]

I'll do some "crow eating". Bradley is now hitting .210 with a .642 OPS. Still woeful numbers to be sure, but he's trending up and I see him passing Nunez (.644 OPS) and Leon (.652 OPS) soon after the break. He could conceivably end the season a somewhat respectable .230 AVG / .715 OPS.

 

Continuing to feel like an idiot at my earlier posts in this thread.

[OH FOY]

He's improving, that's all that matters. JBJ.

[OH FOY]

If JBJ could just do a simple thing, hit .250, with 2 walks in every 10 at bats, were cranking. 12 at bats, officially 10 at bats, with 4 hits, and 2 walks, that would be fantastic. On base 6 out of 12 times, with Mookie behind him, and strong Defense, plus a good runner and I'm good, real good. Of course it doesn't work out that way. Sure wish he keeps that mindset.

OPS after that is gravy.

Edited August 13, 2018 by OH FOY!

[Slasher9]

you want our #9 hitter to be a .400 hitter / .500 OBP?

sorry, i dont mean to be picking on you specifically. but it just seems that no matter what JBj does, it is not good enough for alot of posters on this site.

[notin]

You want extra at bats, especially if you get into a game where he might miss the extra at bat, and could be a difference in a tie, and a win. Astros did it with Springer too. He cranked 34 HRS in lead-off spot. I think Cora using same formula.

 

Not the same. Springer is batting leadoff but the reigning AL MVP and Astros best player has been batting second or third all season...

[OH FOY]

So your debating Springer couldn't bat 2nd or 3rd even clean-up? More I think about it, you could be right. Edited August 13, 2018 by OH FOY!

[notin]

So your debating Springer couldn't bat 2nd or 3rd even clean-up? More I think about it, you could be right.

 

I just think the Astros have a stacked lineup, and also that their closest equivalent player to Betts is not Springer; it’s Altuve...

[Kimmi]

Normally I’d advocate dropping Betts down in the lineup, preferably simply to the 2 spot.

 

But when you’re 50 games over .500 in mid-August, maybe it’s not the time to tinker...

 

5.49 runs/game

 

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[moonslav59]

outside of a 6 game stretch where he struck out seemingly every AB, JBj has hit the ball on the screws for the entire season. his BABIP was insanely low. the hard hit balls have now been falling in for a good stretch.

but i will go back to what i have said about JBj all along...he can literally go 1 for 10 (.100) all season long and he is my starting CFer. his defense is that good.

 

I agree, but I also feel he will not go 1 for 10 of 60 for 600.

[moonslav59]

JBJ's OPS means very little to me, what does affect the team more is his OB%. You have a kid behind him where his OPS is 1.106. Base hits and walks, and Clutch hits, and I'm good.

Getting on base, and getting the Best Hitters up in the Line-up, while he's on base helps everyone. He's a good base runner too.

Almost like the 9th hitter on this team, should have a Lead-off mentality. Get on base, anyway you can.

 

It's nice getting 15+ HRs from the 9 slot as well, even with Betts up #1.

[moonslav59]

i dont disagree with Betts batting leadoff. i'm just not going to complain if my #9 hitter has a low OBP.....

 

Our 9 slot has a .304 OBP.

 

It's the 8 slot that is killing us (.261 OBP). (7th is .296.

[moonslav59]

I just think the Astros have a stacked lineup, and also that their closest equivalent player to Betts is not Springer; it’s Altuve...

 

They are not stacked this year. Many players have fallen off a cliff from last year.

 

 

Astros OBP by slot:

 

7th- ,293

8th- .327

9th- .287

 

2017 Astros:

 

7th- .324

8th- .354

9th- .302

 

Huge difference.

 

 

Edited August 13, 2018 by moonslav59

[Bellhorn04]

Our 9 slot has a .304 OBP.

 

It's the 8 slot that is killing us (.261 OBP). (7th is .296.

 

I would suggest a rephrase: It's the 8 slot that sucks. Not killing us.

[moonslav59]

I would suggest a rephrase: It's the 8 slot that sucks. Not killing us.

 

Yes, we have the best winning percentage in MLB history, so it's hard to say anything is "killing us."

[Bellhorn04]

This is one of JBJ's most encouraging stretches ever IMO. And he really had to pull himself out of the depths this time.

[illinoisredsox]

If JBJ could just do a simple thing, hit .250, with 2 walks in every 10 at bats, were cranking. 12 at bats, officially 10 at bats, with 4 hits, and 2 walks, that would be fantastic. On base 6 out of 12 times, with Mookie behind him, and strong Defense, plus a good runner and I'm good, real good. Of course it doesn't work out that way. Sure wish he keeps that mindset.

OPS after that is gravy.

 

you want our #9 hitter to be a .400 hitter / .500 OBP?

sorry, i dont mean to be picking on you specifically. but it just seems that no matter what JBj does, it is not good enough for alot of posters on this site.

 

Just for comparison, Benintendi’s OBP this year is .383, Betts’ is .438.

 

Ted Williams was .482 for his career, which is the all time record.

 

So yes, 4 hits in 10 ABs plus a couple walks would be fantastic. Actually, it would be fantasy.

[OH FOY]

JBJ had a good eye, even in the Minors, walks are just as good. Your right it would be fantasy. But what I'm saying a .250 BA combined with walks, is fine. As I see it. number 8 batter, is last.

The number 9 guy in front of Mookie, should be thinking like a leadoff batter. Don't look at it like formal 1-9 line-up. The #9 hitter is huge with a stud right behind him.

 

That's why OBP, is bigger contributor than anything else to me for JBJ.

Edited August 13, 2018 by OH FOY!

[vegasbob]

JBJ had a good eye, even in the Minors, walks are just as good. Your right it would be fantasy. But what I'm saying a .250 BA combined with walks, is fine. As I see it. number 8 batter, is last.

The number 9 guy in front of Mookie, should be thinking like a leadoff batter. Don't look at it like formal 1-9 line-up. The #9 hitter is huge with a stud right behind him.

 

That's why OBP, is bigger contributor than anything else to me for JBJ.

 

I have often thought that putting your worst hitter at #9, especially a slow runner was a wrong tactic.. Why clog the basepaths in front of your quicker, better hitters coming up when the #9 does reach base. Hide your least capable hitter at #8 and work around him.

[dustcover]

Just for comparison, Benintendi’s OBP this year is .383, Betts’ is .438.

 

Ted Williams was .482 for his career, which is the all time record.

 

So yes, 4 hits in 10 ABs plus a couple walks would be fantastic. Actually, it would be fantasy.

 

Having watched Teddy Ballgame through his entire career, I submit that his career .482 career OBP was buoyed significantly by the large number of 'intentional' as well as unintentional walks that he got. Over his 19-year career, Williams had 2012 BB's or an average of 143 each year. Betts, thus far has a seasonal average of 67 BB's, and Benintendi's per season average BB's is 76.

[dustcover]

Since JBJ first arrived his full season BA is 2014-.198, 2015-.249, 2016-.267, 2017-.245, and thus far 2018-.2018. His 6-year BA is .236

 

During which time he has batted in various spots in the batting order. I contend that he has always hit for higher average when batting 9th versus any other spot in the batting order. Can anyone provide stats for BA when he is batting 9th. Personally, I would cement him into the 9 spot going forward.