Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?

[Slasher9]

. Can anyone provide stats for BA when he is batting 9th. Personally, I would cement him into the 9 spot going forward.

 

.252 / .438 / .767

[moonslav59]

Jackie also has 10 HBPs this year. The next two guys have 6 (Betts & Bogey).

 

Nunez has almost as many BBs (13).

[Kimmi]

Just as I really like Mookie leading off, I really like Jackie batting 9th.

[Larry Cook]

I think Betts followed by benintendi should always bat 1 and 2 respectively.

 

I like the catcher and Bradley in the 8th and 9th spots respectively.

 

Everything else should be mix and match based on the opposing pitcher!

[Kimmi]

I think Betts followed by benintendi should always bat 1 and 2 respectively.

 

I like the catcher and Bradley in the 8th and 9th spots respectively.

 

Everything else should be mix and match based on the opposing pitcher!

 

I agree with your first two sentences.

 

I also like Moreland/Pearce in the 3 hole, followed by JD, then Bogaerts.

 

We just have a really good line up. You can't really go wrong with it.

[moonslav59]

I agree with your first two sentences.

 

I also like Moreland/Pearce in the 3 hole, followed by JD, then Bogaerts.

 

We just have a really good line up. You can't really go wrong with it.

 

I've always liked the best overall hitter up 3rd, but studies show that is not best, so I have changed my philosophy.

 

I like Pearce up 3rd vs LHP, but I'd put Bogey up 3rd vs RHPs with Moreland 5th.

[kenmeister]

I've always liked the best overall hitter up 3rd, but studies show that is not best, so I have changed my philosophy.

 

I like Pearce up 3rd vs LHP, but I'd put Bogey up 3rd vs RHPs with Moreland 5th.

 

Can you point me to those studies? I've thought the Sox lineup has been strange all year. I hate it when Mookie or Andy are on base with 2 outs and Moreland gets up to bat instead of JDM.

[moonslav59]

Can you point me to those studies? I've thought the Sox lineup has been strange all year. I hate it when Mookie or Andy are on base with 2 outs and Moreland gets up to bat instead of JDM.

 

Kimmi knows more about this than I, but to simplify, the best hitter should bat 2nd, 4th and 5th.

 

Here's one write up...

 

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

 

[vegasbob]

Kimmi knows more about this than I, but to simplify, the best hitter should bat 2nd, 4th and 5th.

 

Here's one write up...

 

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

 

 

Based on that interesting assessment from 2012, Ted Williams should have hit cleanup for Boston, not 3rd over those many years. Maybe that 1 victory a year attributed to lineup analysis would have won the AL in '48 and '49 . Ted could have had 3 WS and contributed more to his legend than the 1946 series against the Cardinals. In 1978, one game would have made another big difference. Was Yaz hitting 3rd ??

[kenmeister]

Kimmi knows more about this than I, but to simplify, the best hitter should bat 2nd, 4th and 5th.

 

Here's one write up...

 

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

 

 

Fascinating, thanks

[Slasher9]

Based on that interesting assessment from 2012, Ted Williams should have hit cleanup for Boston, not 3rd over those many years. Maybe that 1 victory a year attributed to lineup analysis would have won the AL in '48 and '49 . Ted could have had 3 WS and contributed more to his legend than the 1946 series against the Cardinals. In 1978, one game would have made another big difference. Was Yaz hitting 3rd ??

 

yaz batted cleanup.

14 batted 3rd.

[OH FOY]

Kimmi knows more about this than I, but to simplify, the best hitter should bat 2nd, 4th and 5th.

 

Here's one write up...

 

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

 

 

This story was Posted in 2009, many things changed since then. All they did was update it. A Gazillion more stats, to look at since then.

Of course the simple fact, have your Line-up (However the Manager Feels), to score more RUNS, then your Opponent. The Final score matters in baseball. Don't overthink it. To me it's a Managers call. If any formula was a sure thing, everybody would be using it.

Edited August 15, 2018 by OH FOY!

[Kimmi]

Kimmi knows more about this than I, but to simplify, the best hitter should bat 2nd, 4th and 5th.

 

Here's one write up...

 

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

 

 

This article sums it up rather well.

[OH FOY]

Seems like Cora is not reading this article. To me. Some of it yes, some of it I think he has his own way, to Optimize a Line-up. Edited August 15, 2018 by OH FOY!

[moonslav59]

I'm fine with Betts one and JD 4, but when JD is 3, It goes against the numbers.

 

In theory, Betts or JD should bat second, but since beni is having a very good year, I'm not sure it matters much.

[vegasbob]

Looking at this 141 page thread regarding trading JBJr, what if Dd had moved him way back when ? Probably would have been up to 282 pages by now. For the record, you will not see a waiver wire trade of JBJr this year .

[moonslav59]

I hope we keep him this winter, too.

[vegasbob]

I hope we keep him this winter, too.

 

I'm sure there will be other situations (i.e. 2B) that will require a lot more thought by Dombrowski than having to move a great defender and streaky hitter like JBJr , especially if we go to the Series with Jackie contributing. I would think he's a keeper all the way to FA. The shuffle of the deck is way more likely to occur among the pitchers, both starting and relievers. DD has Holt, Nunez, Pearce, Swihart, Kinsler to figure out before he would look at JBJr. Plus Pedroia's ability to return or not will be a major Spring question.

[kenmeister]

Plus Pedroia's ability to return or not will be a major Spring question.

 

I know it's blasphemy but I'd prefer if they keep Kinsler.

[Slasher9]

I know it's blasphemy but I'd prefer if they keep Kinsler.

 

im not saying i disagree but ian has not been the bastion of health either...

[mvp 78]

Honestly, they need to find a younger replacement at 2b. I don't think Pedroia or Kinsler are the answer there.

[moonslav59]

Honestly, they need to find a younger replacement at 2b. I don't think Pedroia or Kinsler are the answer there.

 

Agreed, but with Pedey, Nunez and Holt all under control next year and maybe Marco Hernandez finally getting healthy, I could see DD spending our limited funds elsewhere.

 

We also have Quiroz, Lin and maybe Kinsler is invited back.

[mvp 78]

I’m not saying they need someone tomorrow, but they’d be better off looking sooner than later.

[moonslav59]

I’m not saying they need someone tomorrow, but they’d be better off looking sooner than later.

 

Yes. Perhaps Marco Hernandez or Quiroz can surprise us and keep us from having to use precious resources to acquire a quality 2Bman from outside the system.

[greenwell]

I'm sure there will be other situations (i.e. 2B) that will require a lot more thought by Dombrowski than having to move a great defender and streaky hitter like JBJr , especially if we go to the Series with Jackie contributing. I would think he's a keeper all the way to FA. The shuffle of the deck is way more likely to occur among the pitchers, both starting and relievers. DD has Holt, Nunez, Pearce, Swihart, Kinsler to figure out before he would look at JBJr. Plus Pedroia's ability to return or not will be a major Spring question.

 

To me it's not so much about having to move JBJ as it is about considering him a viable trade chip. I hope I'm wrong as I want him on the team for ten years, but I don't think the front office values him as much as many of us do.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes. Perhaps Marco Hernandez or Quiroz can surprise us and keep us from having to use precious resources to acquire a quality 2Bman from outside the system.

 

Absolutely, it's not one of our major issues that we need to spend resources on.

[moonslav59]

Absolutely, it's not one of our major issues that we need to spend resources on.

 

There's more of the season to go, but if you had to list our highest priority this coming winter, what positions would they be?

 

Free Agents to be:

Kimbrel

Kelly

Eovaldi

Pearce

Kinsler

Pomeranz

 

The list above indicated the pen is priority number one, particularly a closer.

 

I'd probably go something like this:

 

1. Closer

 

2. Set-up man

 

3. 2B

 

4. Bat vs LHP

 

5. Starter depth

 

6. 3B defense

 

7. Catcher offense

 

8. OF depth

 

 

[kenmeister]

Honestly, they need to find a younger replacement at 2b. I don't think Pedroia or Kinsler are the answer there.

 

You know, if good outfielders are easier to find, then moving Mookie Betts back to 2b (in the off-season) doesn't sound so crazy.

[moonslav59]

You know, if good outfielders are easier to find, then moving Mookie Betts back to 2b (in the off-season) doesn't sound so crazy.

 

GG quality RF'ers who play Fenway like they were born there are very hard to find.

 

Why mess with a great thing?

 

To me, it's harder to find a top RF'er than 2Bman.

[vegasbob]

There's more of the season to go, but if you had to list our highest priority this coming winter, what positions would they be?

 

Free Agents to be:

Kimbrel

Kelly

Eovaldi

Pearce

Kinsler

Pomeranz

 

The list above indicated the pen is priority number one, particularly a closer.

 

I'd probably go something like this:

 

1. Closer

 

2. Set-up man

 

3. 2B

 

4. Bat vs LHP

 

5. Starter depth

 

6. 3B defense

 

7. Catcher offense

 

8. OF depth

 

 

 

Of the soon to be FA's. I would go for Pearce , as a platoon with Moreland, and Eovaldi only because he starters are hard to find. Wright is still a question mark, and 7, even 8 starters is often not enough. he is not worth a big premium in length or money, however. The bullpen is the need, looking for consistency as much as anything. Most teams would be happy to lose only 40% of their games , unlike the 30% the Sox may achieve in this one off season.