3rd Third III

[a700hitter]

Is this the same coaching that has trained him to throw the ball all over the place from LF and allowed runners to advanced additional bases?

I am glad that you have clarified that the current coaching staff has no responsibility for this.

[mvp 78]

I am glad that you have clarified that the current coaching staff has no responsibility for this.

 

Have you not seem my anti-Butterfield rants?

[a700hitter]

Have you not seem my anti-Butterfield rants?

I was just responding to what I assumed was sarcasm on your part and sarcasm with which I agree.

[devildavid]

Travis Shaw:

 

8 HR 31 RBI .283/.320/.543/.863 4 E .953 FLD% Salary: $544,000

 

I don't care if he sucks. He sucks much less than what the Sox have trotted out there so far. The Pablo deal has messed up the ability to get a decent regular 3b. I wanted to give him a a chance but screw that. Cut him, eat the salary, and move on. No more chances for him.

 

Tyler Thornburg better get healthy soon and pitch his ass off.

[mvp 78]

I was just responding to what I assumed was sarcasm on your part and sarcasm with which I agree.

 

This is where I sarcastically disagree with your agreement.

[a700hitter]

This is where I sarcastically disagree with your agreement.

LOL! My agreeing with you would be bad for your image -- your self image.

[Spudboy]

Is this the same coaching that has trained him to throw the ball all over the place from LF and allowed runners to advanced additional bases?

 

Has anyone ever stated that AB is a finished product? Certainly not me. His instincts in the OF have a way to go. His arm is not as bad as say, Ellsbury or Crisp. He has more strength than those two, I believe. He has come a long way in playing balls off the wall in Fenway. And his throws to second in those situations have improved as well. Of course you can not tell that by gluing your eyes to Baseball Reference or Google searches.

 

We were talking about his bat. His bat is why he blew through College and MiLb ball.

 

His bat is special. Even old gray haired f***s like myself can see that.

[Spudboy]

Benintendi had only 657 plate appearances. Devers has 1,473.

 

Did you count the fact that AB was playing college ball and exposed to good coaching much earlier?

 

And of course there are exceptions. AB is one of them.

 

Benintendi also played a couple years of high level major college baseball where he had 550 or so PAs. SEC baseball is probably equivalent to A ball, so it wouldn't be a big stretch to say AB was over 1000 PAs against competition that would mirror a minor league baseball track when he came up (obviously not all of those 550 PAs were against pitchers who would merit pro consideration but a lot of them were).

 

He's also 2 years older; there's something to be said for physical development.

 

Yup.

[oldtimer]

Has anyone ever stated that AB is a finished product? Certainly not me. His instincts in the OF have a way to go. His arm is not as bad as say, Ellsbury or Crisp. He has more strength than those two, I believe. He has come a long way in playing balls off the wall in Fenway. And his throws to second in those situations have improved as well. Of course you can not tell that by gluing your eyes to Baseball Reference or Google searches.

 

We were talking about his bat. His bat is why he blew through College and MiLb ball.

 

His bat is special. Even old gray haired f***s like myself can see that.

 

Last night he played a ball off of the wall but hesitated in his throw. He also lost a ball in the lights. It is true, that he is young and will get better. He has the tools and we have to have the patience.

[cp176]

Benintendi will be a nice little player for our team. He is going to hit . I do not think though that going forward his is going to give us what it looks like we need the most - power. He is cut from the mold of most of the current players that we have - potentially very good hitters just not power hitters.

[Bellhorn04]

Benintendi could be a 20 to 25 HR guy, in that Fred Lynn mold that has been mentioned. He's only 22 after all.

[cp176]

Benintendi could be a 20 to 25 HR guy, in that Fred Lynn mold that has been mentioned. He's only 22 after all.

 

i doubt that very much. I hope that you are right but I will just say it again - Freddie Lynn he ain't. he may in fact put those numbers up on occasion but if he did it on a regular basis i would be pleasantly stunned.

[Bellhorn04]

I loved Fred Lynn, but he was not a big home run hitter. He averaged 25 per 162 games, and he only had that one big season, 1979, where he hit more than 25.

[cp176]

I'm working from memory obviously but I absolutely believe that big people help little people win games more than the other way around. i'm one of the little guys also. I truly hope that you and all others are right about Benintendi. I like him too and hope that he becomes the best ever. As for now - it's Fred Lynn for me - 0 comparison.

[mvp 78]

https://www.milb.com/milb/news/boston-red-sox-rafael-devers-delivers-under-spotlight/c-230763878/t-185364810

 

"I can only control what I can control," Devers said. "If the phone call comes, I think I'll be ready. If they make that decision, it's because they feel I'm ready. All I can control is just being myself and just play the game the same way I've been playing it, not try to do too much."

[notin]

I'm working from memory obviously but I absolutely believe that big people help little people win games more than the other way around. i'm one of the little guys also. I truly hope that you and all others are right about Benintendi. I like him too and hope that he becomes the best ever. As for now - it's Fred Lynn for me - 0 comparison.

 

I'm less sure about that.

 

If you take out Lynn's amazing rookie year, which is unfair, he hit .301/.377/.520 and averaged 20 HRs over his last 5 seasons in Boston.

 

As of mow, Benintendi is hitting .290/.367/441 and on pace for 20 HR.

[Slasher9]

trade him before his stock falls.....

[mvp 78]

trade him before his stock falls.....

 

Trade Devers? No.

 

Trade Beni? Yes! DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT HE'S A BUM WHO HASN'T GOTTEN A HIT IN 6 GAMES!

[cp176]

I'm less sure about that.

 

If you take out Lynn's amazing rookie year, which is unfair, he hit .301/.377/.520 and averaged 20 HRs over his last 5 seasons in Boston.

 

As of mow, Benintendi is hitting .290/.367/441 and on pace for 20 HR.

 

i'm really ok with this. it really has to do with our opinions and of course in my case, my memory. i think that Beni is going to be fine and productive going forward. i just don't see how anyone can really compare him to Fred Lynn. both outfielders - yes for sure. i watched Freddie for the years he was with us. i like Beni but really comparing him to Lynn? whatever floats your boat I guess.

[oldtimer]

i'm really ok with this. it really has to do with our opinions and of course in my case, my memory. i think that Beni is going to be fine and productive going forward. i just don't see how anyone can really compare him to Fred Lynn. both outfielders - yes for sure. i watched Freddie for the years he was with us. i like Beni but really comparing him to Lynn? whatever floats your boat I guess.

 

I think we all have to have patience with Beni and keep our expectations within reason. He got placed into the cleanup spot and is really not a cleanup hitter, although the Red Sox don't have one now. Perhaps the closest being Hanley. Another move by Farrell that may have backfired. Now Beni may be losing a little of the confidence that bouyed him through the early season. Beni will be all right but should be moved in the order. It might relieve the pressure and get him restarted.

[S5Dewey]

https://www.milb.com/milb/news/boston-red-sox-rafael-devers-delivers-under-spotlight/c-230763878/t-185364810

 

"I can only control what I can control," Devers said. "If the phone call comes, I think I'll be ready. If they make that decision, it's because they feel I'm ready. All I can control is just being myself and just play the game the same way I've been playing it, not try to do too much."

 

Cliche 101, part of the syllabus every player in the Sox porganization gets.

[moonslav59]

Devers has posted an incredible .408/.517/.796 slash line in 15 games in the month of May.

 

That's an OPS over 1.300 !!!!!

[oldtimer]

Devers has posted an incredible .408/.517/.796 slash line in 15 games in the month of May.

 

That's an OPS over 1.300 !!!!!

 

Don't overhype the kid. Remember when Moncada came up last year. There is a need and he may be able to fill it but the FO has to be careful with timing.

[moonslav59]

Don't overhype the kid. Remember when Moncada came up last year. There is a need and he may be able to fill it but the FO has to be careful with timing.

 

Just giving the facts.

 

I have said over and over, I trust Sox management to know when Devers is ML ready.

 

When they think he's ready, I'm fine with their timing.

 

(I'm wondering, if they might move him to AAA first. It's not like Matt Dominguez is setting himself up for a call-up.)

[mvp 78]

Don't overhype the kid. Remember when Moncada came up last year. There is a need and he may be able to fill it but the FO has to be careful with timing.

 

Devers doesn't have the K% issues that Moncada has. Devers is much more refined in his approach. Moncada is basically Bo Jackson. He's a freakish athlete that it getting by on his physique.

[mvp 78]

Just giving the facts.

 

I have said over and over, I trust Sox management to know when Devers is ML ready.

 

When they think he's ready, I'm fine with their timing.

 

(I'm wondering, if they might move him to AAA first. It's not like Matt Dominguez is setting himself up for a call-up.)

 

He'll be in AAA before my son is out of kindergarten.

[moonslav59]

Devers doesn't have the K% issues that Moncada has. Devers is much more refined in his approach. Moncada is basically Bo Jackson. He's a freakish athlete that it getting by on his physique.

 

He also knows how to defend a position without embarrassment.

[mvp 78]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-yoan-moncada-strikeouts-spt-0315-20170314-story.html

 

On Moncada:

 

"He has the skill set to be a high-impact type player. We're taking it from the simplest fundamental basis."

 

Which means enjoying the highs and working to eliminate the lows.

 

"He's had some things where you go, 'He's not standing out from anybody,'" Renteria said. "Till he puts the barrel on the ball. Then you go, 'Ah.' When he barrels it, there's some life to it.'"

 

Moncada is a fun lottery ticket, but I'd rather have a guy like Devers 9 out of 10 times.

[moonslav59]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-yoan-moncada-strikeouts-spt-0315-20170314-story.html

 

On Moncada:

 

"He has the skill set to be a high-impact type player. We're taking it from the simplest fundamental basis."

 

Which means enjoying the highs and working to eliminate the lows.

 

"He's had some things where you go, 'He's not standing out from anybody,'" Renteria said. "Till he puts the barrel on the ball. Then you go, 'Ah.' When he barrels it, there's some life to it.'"

 

Moncada is a fun lottery ticket, but I'd rather have a guy like Devers 9 out of 10 times.

 

I think Moncada ends up a better hitter, but he may turn out to be the most physically talented DH in MLB history.

[Kimmi]

The Sox have been scouting the White Sox, presumably for Todd Frazier.

 

From all accounts of what I've read, Devers will not be joining the team any time soon.