The Benintendi Thread

[mvp 78]

He needs to work at other positions before they bring him up. He was a 2b when they got him. Hes needs to get used to the professional schedule, and everything else MLB before they throw him in another position. The organization has already said he will start to be used at other positions. They didnt want to throw too much at him since hes only been here a short time.

I think thats a smart move. Hes hardly "blocked" when looking at the big picture.

 

He won't be playing 2b for the Sox anytime soon. They'll definitely need to move him to 3b in the offseason. Once he is comfortable there, then you can consider bringing him up.

[Dojji]

you're wrong about Lowrie. IIRC he played an emergency callup in Boston, then went to AAA. I'm pretty confident that the same is true of Ellsbury.

[mvp 78]

you're wrong about Lowrie. IIRC he played an emergency callup in Boston, then went to AAA. I'm pretty confident that the same is true of Ellsbury.

 

Lowrie started in AAA and was called up a few weeks into the season and then was sent back down.

[mvp 78]

And you're super duper wrong about Ells.

[oldtimer]

Wasn't Bogaerts 21 when called up? A host of good players were called up at 21 or younger. The bigger question is where would Moncada fit? For that reason I would hold him off until September when the roster limits are eased. I would howwever, bring up Benentendi now, since there is a need.

[illinoisredsox]

Wasn't Bogaerts 21 when called up? A host of good players were called up at 21 or younger. The bigger question is where would Moncada fit? For that reason I would hold him off until September when the roster limits are eased. I would howwever, bring up Benentendi now, since there is a need.

 

What need? The offense has overall been fine. How is bringing up Benintendi going to help fix the pitching staff, which is the real issue?

 

Are you prepared to live with the kid struggling after he comes up? In the midst of a pennant race? In Boston? Because odds are that's what's going to happen. Bogaerts did okay for the 20 or so games he played in 2013, but struggled mightily in 2014. He started figuring it out near the end of that season. JBJ (who's career path was very similar to Benintendi's to date) issues are well documented. Betts did fine, but he also came up to a last place club; no pressure. Benintendi projects to be a good player, but he is not Trout or Harper.

 

Frankly, I think the professionals who see the kid every day are in the best position re. deciding when he is ready.

[Kimmi]

What need? The offense has overall been fine. How is bringing up Benintendi going to help fix the pitching staff, which is the real issue?

 

Are you prepared to live with the kid struggling after he comes up? In the midst of a pennant race? In Boston? Because odds are that's what's going to happen. Bogaerts did okay for the 20 or so games he played in 2013, but struggled mightily in 2014. He started figuring it out near the end of that season. JBJ (who's career path was very similar to Benintendi's to date) issues are well documented. Betts did fine, but he also came up to a last place club; no pressure. Benintendi projects to be a good player, but he is not Trout or Harper.

 

Frankly, I think the professionals who see the kid every day are in the best position re. deciding when he is ready.

 

A+ post.

 

I have nothing to add.

[Hugh2]

Wasn't Bogaerts 21 when called up? A host of good players were called up at 21 or younger. The bigger question is where would Moncada fit? For that reason I would hold him off until September when the roster limits are eased. I would howwever, bring up Benentendi now, since there is a need.

 

Yes but so what? every single player is different. The average age of a rookie is 24.5 years old, Bogaerts is the exception and not the rule. Benintendi could be ready in 3 months, 1 year. He could struggle for 1-2 years at the MLB level before he gets it or he could hit the ground running but we shouldn't use the exception to the rule as precedent.

[moonslav59]

Yes but so what? every single player is different. The average age of a rookie is 24.5 years old, Bogaerts is the exception and not the rule. Benintendi could be ready in 3 months, 1 year. He could struggle for 1-2 years at the MLB level before he gets it or he could hit the ground running but we shouldn't use the exception to the rule as precedent.

 

DD says he thinks Benintendi is "very close" to being ML ready, so I think they know more than us. If he's very close (like just days away) or ready, then he'll be called up. Clearly we have a need in LF, despite our great offense thus far.

 

[rkarp1]

the acquisition of Hill pretty much allows Holt to be the presumed every day LF with Young spelling him. No way Benni is brought up to sit...

[Hugh2]

DD says he thinks Benintendi is "very close" to being ML ready, so I think they know more than us. If he's very close (like just days away) or ready, then he'll be called up. Clearly we have a need in LF, despite our great offense thus far.

 

 

Well, for all we know very close is 1/2 a year to a year. In prospectidum that's still really close to the majors, regardless close to ready isn't ready and if that's where he's at know people have been calling for his promotion for weeks now.

[moonslav59]

the acquisition of Hill pretty much allows Holt to be the presumed every day LF with Young spelling him. No way Benni is brought up to sit...

 

Young will play vs RHPs, and Holt will "spell him" vs LHPs.

 

If these two are healthy, I totally agree that Benintendi should stay in the minors.

 

If we end up having to play Brentz often, then my opinion changes towards wanting to give Benintendi an earlier look.

[mvp 78]

If they were preparing Benintendi to be called up any moment, why wouldn't he be getting reps in LF? Isn't he still playing CF every day?

[User Name]

Young will play vs RHPs, and Holt will "spell him" vs LHPs.

 

If these two are healthy, I totally agree that Benintendi should stay in the minors.

 

If we end up having to play Brentz often, then my opinion changes towards wanting to give Benintendi an earlier look.

 

Isn't it essentially the other way around?

[cp176]

He needs to work at other positions before they bring him up. He was a 2b when they got him. Hes needs to get used to the professional schedule, and everything else MLB before they throw him in another position. The organization has already said he will start to be used at other positions. They didnt want to throw too much at him since hes only been here a short time.

I think thats a smart move. Hes hardly "blocked" when looking at the big picture.

 

I see no reason to "rush" Moncada to the big club. i also see no reason to "rush" our second best prospect either.

[SoxnCycles]

Well, for all we know very close is 1/2 a year to a year. In prospectidum that's still really close to the majors, regardless close to ready isn't ready and if that's where he's at know people have been calling for his promotion for weeks now.

 

Yup, I don't think they measure development time in days.

 

"Very close" sounds like mid-August, if there's a need and Sept, if not.

[southpaw777]

I see no reason to "rush" Moncada to the big club. i also see no reason to "rush" our second best prospect either.

 

I agree...My whole point was that if they ran into trouble I dont think a cup of coffee for the kid (Benintendi) until things smoothed out again injury wise would hurt anything.

[Kimmi]

If they were preparing Benintendi to be called up any moment, why wouldn't he be getting reps in LF? Isn't he still playing CF every day?

 

JBJ trade?

[cp176]

I agree...My whole point was that if they ran into trouble I dont think a cup of coffee for the kid (Benintendi) until things smoothed out again injury wise would hurt anything.

 

Got it and i agree with you. I'm a little defensive because I believe that Moncada is a potential once in a generation type player.

I'm very serious when I say that I really don't remember a player with the combination of skills that this kid has in our system. I also think that Benintendi could be very very good.

[southpaw777]

Got it and i agree with you. I'm a little defensive because I believe that Moncada is a potential once in a generation type player.

I'm very serious when I say that I really don't remember a player with the combination of skills that this kid has in our system. I also think that Benintendi could be very very good.

 

I dont think DD will let those two go for the reasons you said. Both are going to be solid MLB players with Moncada possibly being That special player every team hopes for...

[cp176]

I dont think DD will let those two go for the reasons you said. Both are going to be solid MLB players with Moncada possibly being That special player every team hopes for...

 

I'm kind of on the same page as Papi when it comes to Fernandez and Encarnarcion though. It's just a dream for sure but if I found out tomorrow that Benintendi and a healthy package of prospects could pry Fernandez out of Miami's death grip, I would be on board for sure. If it meant substituting Moncada for Benintendi, I would not do it.

[southpaw777]

I'm kind of on the same page as Papi when it comes to Fernandez and Encarnarcion though. It's just a dream for sure but if I found out tomorrow that Benintendi and a healthy package of prospects could pry Fernandez out of Miami's death grip, I would be on board for sure. If it meant substituting Moncada for Benintendi, I would not do it.

 

Fair enough...I would have to agree with you. There arent a lot of starters I would give up top offensive talent for. Fernandez IS one i would certainly consider it for though.

would you give up JBj instead of Benni if they asked? Seeing benintendi is a Cfer and JBJ has a lot more value.

If it was JBJ, Shaw and Erod would you do it?

Not that I think they would want JBJ knowing they have to deal with Boras just like they will with Fernandez.

Edited July 13, 2016 by southpaw777

[User Name]

Let Miami keep their ticking time bomb. The guys I would target are Salazar, Quintana or Kluber.

[southpaw777]

Let Miami keep their ticking time bomb. The guys I would target are Salazar, Quintana or Kluber.

 

Why do you think hes a ticking time bomb? His arm and the TJS?

[Jack Flap]

Also, if anything, the Marlins are buyers right now.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/marlins-rich-hill-trade-rumor.html

[User Name]

Why do you think hes a ticking time bomb? His arm and the TJS?

 

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/pitchingmechanics101/Analyses/JoseFernandezPitchingMechanics.html

 

This dude is an insufferable prick, but he knows pitching mechanics.

[mvp 78]

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/pitchingmechanics101/Analyses/JoseFernandezPitchingMechanics.html

 

This dude is an insufferable prick, but he knows pitching mechanics.

 

Chris O'Leary never played baseball beyond grade school due to a shoulder injury suffered due to poor pitching mechanics.

 

And also because he was a fat tub of goo.

 

He is just a horrible person.

[mvp 78]

My question is if these pitching mechanics are what is causing these elbow problems, why are they being widely taught?

[Maxbialystock]

I think Illinoisredsox has it right: the problem is pitching, not LF or 2B or 3B. That said, however, the discussions about getting pitching from a trade--like when the Sox sent HanRam from the minors to Miami to get Josh Beckett, who was huge in 2007--might argue in favor of bringing up young talent either to showcase them or to discover how real the talent is.

[User Name]

My question is if these pitching mechanics are what is causing these elbow problems, why are they being widely taught?

 

Because they result in increased velocity. But biomechanically (this is personal research and anecdotal evidence from people who deal with young pitchers, so apply salt liberally) timing issues are a real problem. When the arm is late and the arm pronated, there's almost a 100% chance for future elbow/shoulder injuries. In fact, O' Leary quotes Nolan Ryan in saying thar creating velocity with scapula loading/timing cheats during delivery is a driving factor in the rash of arm iniuries.