John Lackey to undergo Tommy John surgery

[Trillz808]

i agree with all that is bold but dempster looks as though hes positive theo will keep him in cubs org

i like CJ Wilson but the Yanks will make us overpay for him

we have already expressed interest in Bruce Chen maybe we will go for him again

pending a extensive physical wainwright might be a good low purchase coming off an injury

Kuroda consistent but also wishes to stay with the dead dodgers...

(dodgers need new FO as well and should just trade andre either to us so him and pedey can set the tone for a new era in Boston)

Extensive physical for Duchscherer this kid can really pitch but something about pitchers leaving oakland and sucking big time is just a scary thought...

[User Name]

Duchscherer couldn't stay healthy to save his mother.

[Trillz808]

OUCH lol

[Elktonnick]

Even if he didn't need it he was going to have it done. This was the only face saving way out this mess for both Lackey and the Red Sox

[Dojji]

Interesting pitchers bolded. Thoughts?

 

Jackson would be a solid #3-#4 here. Not a great pitcher's pitcher, but durable and dependable. A guy who can give your bats a chance to win.

 

Buehrle would be killed at Fenway, which is geared exactly against his abilities.

 

Oswalt could be a really good idea if you don't make the fatal mistake of adding that fourth year. 4 is a bridge too far, even for a big marlet. 3 is really kinda pushing it but he'll get that so it's no use pushing back against that.

[Trillz808]

Duchscherer couldn't stay healthy to save his mother.

 

maybe with the right medical team he could be better... well there goes that theory with boston lol

 

curious as to why and how a "medical team" for such a high profile team can blow it so many times within a short amount of time for our team... im glad Ben in his press conference said that would be something he was going to address as well

[Trillz808]

Buehrle would be killed at Fenway, which is geared exactly against his abilities.

 

How so, im not going against you on this I jus really dont know his stats at fenway and am curious as to your reasoning why Buerhle isnt a good fit for boston...

[User Name]

Jackson would be a solid #3-#4 here. Not a great pitcher's pitcher, but durable and dependable. A guy who can give your bats a chance to win.

 

Buehrle would be killed at Fenway, which is geared exactly against his abilities.

 

Oswalt could be a really good idea if you don't make the fatal mistake of adding that fourth year. 4 is a bridge too far, even for a big marlet. 3 is really kinda pushing it but he'll get that so it's no use pushing back against that.

 

So is the bandbox known as US Cellular though.

[Dojji]

A good Relief pitcher who needs at least one more year to figure out if he will ever be a legitimate closer or if he will always be JUST a set up man... i personally would prefer him to figure his s*** out and be able to step up to the plate when we need him most because I believe he can do it

 

 

I wouldn't close with Bard until I had no choice. His reputation isn't the best in terms of mental fortitude. I don't think he has a true closer's mentality.

 

You can't get in Papelbon's head because his skull is too thick. Paps succeeds because he only has to think about throwing one pitch most of the time. Unfortunately I think Bard is a little smarter and can be made to think on the mound -- usually a bad thing.

[Dojji]

So is the bandbox known as US Cellular though.

 

Yeah, but then you have the problem of a command pitcher with no fastball and on the far side of 30. Against the Yankees.

 

Buehrle should not come to Boston.

[User Name]

Yeah, but then you have the problem of a command pitcher with no fastball and on the far side of 30. Against the Yankees.

 

Buehrle should not come to Boston.

 

You just described Andy Petitte.

 

He sure was good.

 

On a short-term deal, he would make sense, or at least that's my opinion.

[iortiz]

Well, in the end somehow we gonna get rid of this bum...

 

Awesome!

[Trillz808]

heres his stats against the yankees

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/batvspitch/_/id/4454/teamId/10/mark-buehrle

[Trillz808]

along with this starting pitching problem in the rotation we have... could some of the problems came from inconsistent catcher calling the games... i know its been said that tek was phenomenal at calling the games and as much as i love tek and would love for them to resign him as a back up role not a split time with salty role is salty really the kid we are going forward with in our future as catcher and if so salty needs to put in the work that tek did with all the starting pitchers to get to know them and call the games in best interest of the team i know he put in a lot of work last offseason with gary tuck but i dont think it was enough

[User Name]

Oh the Yankees have owned him over his career, but they usually hit everyone, so that's not the point. He's a 32-year old lefty who can eat innings and he's a better option than mostly everything on the market.

[Trillz808]

agreed

[Brennan]

No idea why people insist that Bard is a potential starter. He burnt that bridge in 07.

 

Daniel Bard has NEVER been even a REMOTELY successful professional starting pitcher.

 

The man is a relief pitcher. A good one, September hiccup notwithstanding. But definitely a reliever.

 

 

 

True dat!

[Trillz808]

Heres a list of A LOT of good relief pitchers who will be free agents... im liking this list and hope Ben is able to go on a shopping spree for our bullpen

 

 

Relief Pitchers

Danys Baez PHI

Miguel Batista STL

Matt Belisle COL

Heath Bell SD

Rafael Betancourt COL

Blaine Boyer

Jonathan Broxton LAD

Shawn Camp TOR

Matt Capps MIN

Todd Coffey MIL

Clay Condrey MIN

Francisco Cordero CIN *

Lance Cormier TB

Juan Cruz TB

Octavio Dotel STL *

Kyle Farnsworth TB *

Randy Flores NYY

Frank Francisco TOR

Ryan Franklin STL

Jason Frasor CWS *

Chad Gaudin WAS

Mike Gonzalez TEX

John Grabow CHC

LaTroy Hawkins MIL

Brad Lidge PHI *

Scott Linebrink ATL

Javier Lopez SF

Ryan Madson PHI

Damaso Marte NYY *

Sergio Mitre NYY

Joe Nathan MIN *

Hideki Okajima BOS

Darren Oliver TEX

Jonathan Papelbon BOS

Joel Peralta TB

Chad Qualls SD *

Jon Rauch TOR *

Chris Ray TEX

Dennys Reyes BOS

Arthur Rhodes TEX *

Fernando Rodney LAA

Francisco Rodriguez MIL

George Sherrill ATL

Rafael Soriano NYY (may opt out)

Brian Tallet TOR

Koji Uehara TEX *

Jose Valverde DET

Tyler Walker WAS

Kerry Wood CHC

Jamey Wright SEA

Michael Wuertz OAK

Joel Zumaya DET

[CanadianSox]

i agree with all that is bold but dempster looks as though hes positive theo will keep him in cubs org

i like CJ Wilson but the Yanks will make us overpay for him

we have already expressed interest in Bruce Chen maybe we will go for him again

pending a extensive physical wainwright might be a good low purchase coming off an injury

Kuroda consistent but also wishes to stay with the dead dodgers...

(dodgers need new FO as well and should just trade andre either to us so him and pedey can set the tone for a new era in Boston)

Extensive physical for Duchscherer this kid can really pitch but something about pitchers leaving oakland and sucking big time is just a scary thought...

 

I doubt the Cardinals don't pick up Wainwright's option.

[a700hitter]

I doubt the Cardinals don't pick up Wainwright's option.

How much is the option?

[WhiskeyBreath]

How much is the option?

 

I think its around $10MM or so but STL has indicated they intend to bring him back.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Does anyone know if we have any insurance on this chump?

 

I know that he had a clause in his contract that says the team would hold a 2015 club option at the major league minimum if they wanted to bring him back.

[mvp 78]

I'm on the Buehrle bandwagon with Mazz.

 

None of the other SP listed get me excited.

[Elktonnick]

True dat!

 

Huh! are you sure you meant Bard not Aceves. Bard was only drafted in 06. Didn't debut until 09. He now has three pitches.

[italstallianion]

I'm not sure that this has been said, but I think that Lackey now has to play for the league minimum in 2015 if he missed significant time due to a preexisting elbow injury, which may cover Tommy John Surgery.

 

Straight from Cot's

 

2015 club option at Major League minimum salary if Lackey misses significant time with surgery for pre-existing elbow injury in 2010-14

[mvp 78]

I lied. Webb and Oswalt are ok too.

[mvp 78]

I'm not sure that this has been said, but I think that Lackey now has to play for the league minimum in 2015 if he missed significant time due to a preexisting elbow injury, which may cover Tommy John Surgery.

 

Straight from Cot's

 

2015 club option at Major League minimum salary if Lackey misses significant time with surgery for pre-existing elbow injury in 2010-14

 

Not worth MLB minimum.

[redsoxrules]

I lied. Webb and Oswalt are ok too.

 

CJ wilson would be a good option too

[Trillz808]

heres the list of 2013 that ben could either try to trade for and give the prior team something worth trading for

Scott Baker *

Joe Blanton

Matt Cain

Fausto Carmona *

Kevin Correia

John Danks

Jorge De La Rosa *

R.A. Dickey *

Scott Feldman *

Gavin Floyd *

Zack Greinke

Jeremy Guthrie

Cole Hamels

Dan Haren *

Tim Hudson *

Colby Lewis

Francisco Liriano

Kyle Lohse

Derek Lowe

Shaun Marcum

Daisuke Matsuzaka

Brandon McCarthy

Brett Myers *

Carl Pavano

Jake Peavy *

Anibal Sanchez

Jonathan Sanchez

Ervin Santana *

Joe Saunders

James Shields *

Jake Westbrook *

Randy Wolf *

Carlos Zambrano *

[Trillz808]

not too sure which of these pitchers are on a low salary cap team which would not be able to afford a good pitcher because im too busy playing black ops to research this so im sure someone else will disect this list haha and figure out who on this list would be worthy of playing in boston