Devers Trade looks fantastic now....

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Devers has been placed on the 60 day IL due to core muscle injury.

[a700hitter]

Apparently, he hit all those recent home runs while injured.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, a700hitter said:

Apparently, he hit all those recent home runs while injured.

The HR swing was the cause?

 

[a700hitter]

IDK.  They say that it has been bothering him for much of the season.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The hapless Giants aren't going to the PO's, so why not shorten Devers' season.

[vegasbob]

1 hour ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Devers has been placed on the 60 day IL due to core muscle injury.

The beaches in DR beckon. Also the comida

[moonslav59]

Now that he's on the IL, maybe we should trade back for him.

🤪

[vegasbob]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Now that he's on the IL, maybe we should trade back for him.

🤪

I think he could be had cheap in terms of assets but you will eat a bunch of contract .

Still , if Posey would eat $10MM per year......send them Duran and Yoshi

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Now that he's on the IL, maybe we should trade back for him.

🤪

Moon with some rare sarcasm. 

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, vegasbob said:

I think he could be had cheap in terms of assets but you will eat a bunch of contract .

Still , if Posey would eat $10MM per year......send them Duran and Yoshi

Duran, Yoshida, Story, Bello & Campbell for Devers 

more sarcasm.

[notin]

4 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

The HR swing was the cause?

 

Well he sure as f*** didn’t hurt himself fielding!

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

8 minutes ago, notin said:

Well he sure as f*** didn’t hurt himself fielding!

True. He only hurts his team.

[jad]

Surgery Tuesday? Oof.  He hasn't been swinging as if he were injured the last few weeks.

[mvp 78]

11 hours ago, notin said:

Well he sure as f*** didn’t hurt himself fielding!

Devers 1 DRS

Willson 0 DRS

[Deja Doh]

Do we have another Devers on the roster?

[Hugh2]

Devers was looking pretty good at 1B after the slow start and then he got hurt but I'm sure he will be fine by next year and SF was doing anything this year. 

Why can't we get guys like him to play 1B for us?????

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Why can't we get guys like him to play 1B for us?????

Bad communication by everyone involved. 

[Hugh2]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Bad communication by everyone involved. 

Let me have my fun

[mvp 78]

18 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Let me have my fun

He should still be here. 

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

Devers was looking pretty good at 1B after the slow start and then he got hurt but I'm sure he will be fine by next year and SF was doing anything this year. 

Why can't we get guys like him to play 1B for us?????

For years I suggested he'd be plus at 1B. He has quick reactions. About half his errors were throwing.

I did worry about footwork.

[Hugh2]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

For years I suggested he'd be plus at 1B. He has quick reactions. About half his errors were throwing.

I did worry about footwork.

He's actually not very good there lol, not at all, but maybe he can grow into the position in 2027. 

I just hope SF doesn't ask him to DH, he might throw a hissy fit. 

[moonslav59]

5 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

He's actually not very good there lol, not at all, but maybe he can grow into the position in 2027. 

I just hope SF doesn't ask him to DH, he might throw a hissy fit. 

"Plus" can be a +1 DRS.

I thought it might take time to get there.

Even -2 is better than his 3B DRS.

[mvp 78]

13 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

"Plus" can be a +1 DRS.

I thought it might take time to get there.

Even -2 is better than his 3B DRS.

At times, he showed promise at 3b, but it got worse and worse for sure. He should be fine at 1b. His biggest problem at 3b always seemed to be his throws from what I remember. 

[Hugh2]

13 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

"Plus" can be a +1 DRS.

I thought it might take time to get there.

Even -2 is better than his 3B DRS.

Does it really matter how a defensive metric like DRS compares for him from 3B to 1B? I think a better measuring stick would be how he matches up to the rest of the first baseman in the league. 

So far, it's pretty much the same as he was at 3B, he's not good but he's serviceable....it's not a disaster. 

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Does it really matter how a defensive metric like DRS compares for him from 3B to 1B? I think a better measuring stick would be how he matches up to the rest of the first baseman in the league. 

So far, it's pretty much the same as he was at 3B, he's not good but he's serviceable....it's not a disaster. 

He was a top 10 1b per DRS. His -2 OAA was the same as Freddie Freeman. HIs numbers are similar to Pete Alonso (dWAR) and people were happy to sign him to 1b here. 

It's really hard for me to parse out how these defensive metrics are calculated so it just seems like you're either very good like Ty France and Matt Olson, very bad like Bryce Harper and Spencer Torkelson or somewhere in between. Devers is in between. 

[Hugh2]

19 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He was a top 10 1b per DRS. His -2 OAA was the same as Freddie Freeman. HIs numbers are similar to Pete Alonso (dWAR) and people were happy to sign him to 1b here. 

It's really hard for me to parse out how these defensive metrics are calculated so it just seems like you're either very good like Ty France and Matt Olson, very bad like Bryce Harper and Spencer Torkelson or somewhere in between. Devers is in between. 

It's very easy to point out the one metric he's top ten in and then neglect anything else and label all other stats as being ambigious.  He's in the 16th percentile according to statcast forwhever that is or isn't worse. 

In my defense, my verbiage is certainly concruent with being inbetween very bad and good. 

I suppose a better way to rephrase my last post would be that he's about as good at 1B as he was at 3B. 

[mvp 78]

23 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

It's very easy to point out the one metric he's top ten in and then neglect anything else and label all other stats as being ambigious.  He's in the 16th percentile according to statcast forwhever that is or isn't worse. 

In my defense, my verbiage is certainly concruent with being inbetween very bad and good. 

I suppose a better way to rephrase my last post would be that he's about as good at 1B as he was at 3B. 

I disagree. He was one of the worst 3b in the league when he was there. He seems adequate at 1b.

If you'd like to explain FRV to me and how it's calculated, I'm all ears. 

[Hugh2]

27 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I disagree. He was one of the worst 3b in the league when he was there. He seems adequate at 1b.

If you'd like to explain FRV to me and how it's calculated, I'm all ears. 

What do you base "he seems adeqiate at 1B" on? a few DRS? So you like BA over Fangraphs? which along with statcast have him as a bad defender.

I know statcast was actually using technological measuring tools like radar, which they've literally evolved past military grade dopler radar and use a lot of propriertary high tracking systems and high speed cameras that they've installed into every single ballpark to track data. 

  Honestly, I think that s*** is probably always going to be more accurate than the "eye test" which to be honest.......I haven't seen many Raffy Devers games since he left Boston and I'd be willing to bet everyone in this room is in the same boat. It's a blend of advanced physics, math and advanced computer systems so I do apologize that I can't break in their private labs and read you code.  It's not a simple equation, they're using  I'm also sorry that Raffy just isn't that good at 1B. 

 

[Hugh2]

Let me critique myself,  Devers was arguably one of the worse defenders at 3B, he's probably more like slightly below average at 1B. 

EDIT: It's still his first year, lets rehash this conversation 1/2 way into 2027 and see what his 1B defense looks like.  Maybe he gets better at scooping balls. 

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

At times, he showed promise at 3b, but it got worse and worse for sure. He should be fine at 1b. His biggest problem at 3b always seemed to be his throws from what I remember. 

Agreed.

I think throwing errors were about 45% of his errors, but that's a lot for a 3Bman.