Red Sox's Trade Deadline Wishlist Following Curtis Mead Blockbuster

[SoxPhan]

30 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Agreed.  The Mets aren't rebuilding.  I doubt that they trade Lindor, but that's possible.  But they have no reason to move Soto.

Nah bro, where is your sense of imagination? We're getting Soto for Anthony and Duran, and then getting Skubal for Bello and Sandoval. Wooooo!

[notin]

31 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

No chance I'd do it.  I like Morejon, but he is not elite and is a 2-month rental.  I think Mayer will fetch someone quite a bit better.

I did kind of like it until I realized Samar Taylor isn’t any sort of prospect but is more of a career minor leaguer.  Also he’s on the IL…

[SoxPhan]

30 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Adell has an extra year.  And I think he'd make a good DH platoon and a good #4 OF.

Again, wouldn't be mad, but he's mid. Call him plan F or G. lol. If we're going for a RH LF that isn't a rental, I'd pay more for Heliot Ramos, Lane Thomas or JJ Bleday. 

27 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

No chance I'd do it.  I like Morejon, but he is not elite and is a 2-month rental.  I think Mayer will fetch someone quite a bit better.

That's crazy. I think you are overestimating how much value Mayer has left around the league. Things happen fast in baseball. 2 years of injuries and poor performance will have it's toll. If we can get a strong RP, and a lefty at that, for Mayer, that is a slam dunk.  

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

54 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Entirely expected, as many of us suggested.

Hard to figure why a team wouldn't wanna trade the best all-around player in the AL and the face of the franchise.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

2 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Hard to figure why a team wouldn't wanna trade the best all-around player in the AL and the face of the franchise.

However, one would think KC's GM would at least listen to offers if only to provide himself a good laugh.

[notin]

3 minutes ago, SoxPhan said:

Again, wouldn't be mad, but he's mid. Call him plan F or G. lol. If we're going for a RH LF that isn't a rental, I'd pay more for Heliot Ramos, Lane Thomas or JJ Bleday. 

That's crazy. I think you are overestimating how much value Mayer has left around the league. Things happen fast in baseball. 2 years of injuries and poor performance will have its toll. If we can get a strong RP, and a lefty at that, for Mayer, that is a slam dunk.  

Mayer is worth more than a 2 month rental on a reliever.  I doubt things change that much that rapidly in baseball that Marcelo Mayer can go from a top 15 prospect in all of baseball to bring a “almost enough” to get a rental reliever all in a span of 300 plate appearances and before he can legally rent a car.

None of us know how much value he has left around the league.  BTV gives him similar value to Otto Lopez, which feels like a huge stretch.  But certainly he has more value than rental reliever + career minor leaguer…

[Duran Is The Man]

2 hours ago, UtahSox said:

I saw this on BTV really liked it

RS get: Morejon + Samad Taylor 

Padres get: Marcelo Mayer+ Hayden Mullins

i don't know anything about Morejon, but i really like Samad. he can play any of the outfield positions and second and short equally well.

now i see Morejon is a two month rental. no way i'd do that trade.

[Old Red]

15 minutes ago, notin said:

Mayer is worth more than a 2 month rental on a reliever.  I doubt things change that much that rapidly in baseball that Marcelo Mayer can go from a top 15 prospect in all of baseball to bring a “almost enough” to get a rental reliever all in a span of 300 plate appearances and before he can legally rent a car.

None of us know how much value he has left around the league.  BTV gives him similar value to Otto Lopez, which feels like a huge stretch.  But certainly he has more value than rental reliever + career minor leaguer…

The fact that Mayer doesn’t have more plate appearances is a tell in itself.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, notin said:

I did kind of like it until I realized Samar Taylor isn’t any sort of prospect but is more of a career minor leaguer.  Also he’s on the IL…

He also projects to 7 HRs and > 200 Ks.

[SoxPhan]

36 minutes ago, notin said:

Mayer is worth more than a 2 month rental on a reliever.  I doubt things change that much that rapidly in baseball that Marcelo Mayer can go from a top 15 prospect in all of baseball to bring a “almost enough” to get a rental reliever all in a span of 300 plate appearances and before he can legally rent a car.

None of us know how much value he has left around the league.  BTV gives him similar value to Otto Lopez, which feels like a huge stretch.  But certainly he has more value than rental reliever + career minor leaguer…

BTV is utter nonsense. lol. Some of the stuff you guys post as realistic just bc BTV says it is has been laughable.
Look, I hope I'm wrong about his value. If he can bring us back some big time talent, no one will be happier than me. But I see no future for him on this team. And I think a lot of you will be very disappointed when we trade him and what we get.
Also, just because someone is a rental, doesn't mean their teams just give them away. Especially recent all-stars that several teams will make offers on. And sometimes rentals help you win a ring. Morejon would greatly help solidify our bullpen as one of the best in the league. We could use another reliable lefty in the pen.

P.S. I could not care less about Taylor or Mullins in that deal and don't even know who's worth more, To me that deal is Mayer for Morejon, which I do in a heartbeat. 

[vegasbob]

I watched the Cardinals-Blue Jays game specifically to see Springer's ABs.  He rewarded with a 2 for 4, 2 RBIs, a double .    Alway like GS and worried when he hit against us in Fenway.     I think he could be a valuable , veteran pickup who does not need a 2027 commitment.    If Yoshi can play LF then I suspect George can too, even if in a platoon or just as a PH role in Fenway.      I know he is definitely older and has had a weak season early but then I look at most of the Red Sox through June 24 and shed any concerns about adding Springer.

Gausman also pitched today and you could reach similar conclusions. He is capable of getting 6 innings and keep the score down.   He has had weak run support this year, and should have a better record.  

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The Mets are in the process of losing two today so they're well on their way to a 100 loss season.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

24 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

I watched the Cardinals-Blue Jays game specifically to see Springer's ABs.  He rewarded with a 2 for 4, 2 RBIs, a double .    Alway like GS and worried when he hit against us in Fenway.     I think he could be a valuable , veteran pickup who does not need a 2027 commitment.    If Yoshi can play LF then I suspect George can too, even if in a platoon or just as a PH role in Fenway.      I know he is definitely older and has had a weak season early but then I look at most of the Red Sox through June 24 and shed any concerns about adding Springer.

Gausman also pitched today and you could reach similar conclusions. He is capable of getting 6 innings and keep the score down.   He has had weak run support this year, and should have a better record.  

Gausman would be a fine pickup, but I'm wondering if Toronto would trade him to an AL East opponent. Same goes for Springer.

 

[SoxPhan]

Springer keeps hitting and Jays are on a slight roll. If they win tomorrow he could just end up off the table. If not, his price is surely more than it was a week ago. Which sucks. 

[notin]

1 hour ago, SoxPhan said:

BTV is utter nonsense. lol. Some of the stuff you guys post as realistic just bc BTV says it is has been laughable.
Look, I hope I'm wrong about his value. If he can bring us back some big time talent, no one will be happier than me. But I see no future for him on this team. And I think a lot of you will be very disappointed when we trade him and what we get.
Also, just because someone is a rental, doesn't mean their teams just give them away. Especially recent all-stars that several teams will make offers on. And sometimes rentals help you win a ring. Morejon would greatly help solidify our bullpen as one of the best in the league. We could use another reliable lefty in the pen.

P.S. I could not care less about Taylor or Mullins in that deal and don't even know who's worth more, To me that deal is Mayer for Morejon, which I do in a heartbeat. 

I think that is crazy.   Pick on BTV all you like, but are you really saying you know their values better?  In my post, I did question their evaluation of him, calling it a huge stretch.  (It's probably a bit outdated.  They're a small operation.)   But I can't claim i understand player valuation better than they do.

It's really difficult to find very many trades where a team just gave up on a top prospect that had as little experience as Mayer and dealt him for a rental player.   I can only think of it happening twice .

Th Athletics dealing Carlos Gonzalez (318 PA)  to the Rockies for Matt Holliday

The Athletics dealing Jesus Luzardo (71 IP) to the Marlins for Starling Marte

I think we both see a pattern there.

So only one team has ever made a trade like that.  And I doubt the Sox have given up on Mayer nearly as much as many fans have.  I am also 100% positive many teams value him more than you do, if not all of them.

I do think Mayer could be dealt.  With the rises of Durbin and Arias as well as the acquisition of Mead, he is without a position.   But he isn't going for a rental, unless it is someone like Skubal.  And I don't think either Boston or Detroit is looking at that deal...

 

[SoxPhan]

9 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Gausman would be a fine pickup, but I'm wondering if Toronto would trade him to an AL East opponent. Same goes for Springer.

 

If they are sellers I don't think they'd care and would just want the best returns on rentals.. But not so sure they will be now.

[notin]

21 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Gausman would be a fine pickup, but I'm wondering if Toronto would trade him to an AL East opponent.

 

The whole "trades within the division" thing is overblown, especially with rental players.

It actually makes a ton of sense for Toronto to trade Gausman within the division.   If they are trading him, they are giving up on 2026 anyway and hoping for 2027 or later.   Well, that future gets just that much easier if they take a prospect or two from a division rival as opposed to just a random team.

Trades within the division happen all the time.  But when you only have 4 teams in your division and 25 of them utside of it, it is easier to find trading partners outside the division.

I mean, just a few days ago the Angels traded Chase Silseth and Logan O'Hoppe within their division...

[notin]

10 minutes ago, SoxPhan said:

If they are sellers I don't think they'd care and would just want the best returns on rentals.. But not so sure they will be now.

They should be.   They's in 5th place in the AL East and the 4th place team has already started selling.   Detroit is ahead of them for a WC and is taking calls on Skubal and scratching Casey Mize from starts so he does not get hurt.  Five teams are in front of them for the final wild casrd slot and it appears as though some of those teams are already dealing away players.

Toronto might fight for a final spot, but it would certainly be a questionable decision...

[notin]

25 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

The Mets are in the process of losing two today so they're well on their way to a 100 loss season.

There is a better than zero chance that the Mets just suck...

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, notin said:

There is a better than zero chance that the Mets just suck...

The Mets' version of money ball didn't work out.

[notin]

2 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i don't know anything about Morejon, but i really like Samad. he can play any of the outfield positions and second and short equally well.

now i see Morejon is a two month rental. no way i'd do that trade.

Do the Sox really need any more of the multi-position utility players?  Especially ones on the injured list?

Morejon is an extermely talented RP that is on the very short list of woethwhile free agents after this season.  He was an All Star this year, which is not something a lot of non-closing relievers do.  I'd take Morejon, but not for Mayer unless he (Morejon) was paired with someoe more useful than Samad Tayor....

[notin]

1 minute ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

The Mets' version of money ball didn't work out.

On the contrary, it has worked out for 4 other teams... 

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, notin said:

On the contrary, it has worked out for 4 other teams... 

Definitely.

[Old Red]

22 minutes ago, notin said:

I think that is crazy.   Pick on BTV all you like, but are you really saying you know their values better?  In my post, I did question their evaluation of him, calling it a huge stretch.  (It's probably a bit outdated.  They're a small operation.)   But I can't claim i understand player valuation better than they do.

It's really difficult to find very many trades where a team just gave up on a top prospect that had as little experience as Mayer and dealt him for a rental player.   I can only think of it happening twice .

Th Athletics dealing Carlos Gonzalez (318 PA)  to the Rockies for Matt Holliday

The Athletics dealing Jesus Luzardo (71 IP) to the Marlins for Starling Marte

I think we both see a pattern there.

So only one team has ever made a trade like that.  And I doubt the Sox have given up on Mayer nearly as much as many fans have.  I am also 100% positive many teams value him more than you do, if not all of them.

I do think Mayer could be dealt.  With the rises of Durbin and Arias as well as the acquisition of Mead, he is without a position.   But he isn't going for a rental, unless it is someone like Skubal.  And I don't think either Boston or Detroit is looking at that deal...

 

He did pick on BTV, and quite well too. It cracks me up when I hear BTV accepts this, and BTV accepts that, but the trades don’t come to fruition.:A nice little play toy for some I guess.

[SoxPhan]

49 minutes ago, notin said:

I think that is crazy.   Pick on BTV all you like, but are you really saying you know their values better?  In my post, I did question their evaluation of him, calling it a huge stretch.  (It's probably a bit outdated.  They're a small operation.)   But I can't claim i understand player valuation better than they do.

It's really difficult to find very many trades where a team just gave up on a top prospect that had as little experience as Mayer and dealt him for a rental player.   I can only think of it happening twice .

Th Athletics dealing Carlos Gonzalez (318 PA)  to the Rockies for Matt Holliday

The Athletics dealing Jesus Luzardo (71 IP) to the Marlins for Starling Marte

I think we both see a pattern there.

So only one team has ever made a trade like that.  And I doubt the Sox have given up on Mayer nearly as much as many fans have.  I am also 100% positive many teams value him more than you do, if not all of them.

I do think Mayer could be dealt.  With the rises of Durbin and Arias as well as the acquisition of Mead, he is without a position.   But he isn't going for a rental, unless it is someone like Skubal.  And I don't think either Boston or Detroit is looking at that deal...

 

They have a 27yo SS who plays above average defense and is leading the majors in hits and doubles at supposedly "similar value" as a 23yo who has done nothing but get injured and be mid at best when he's been on the field. That is all I need to know. Prospect rankings from multiple years past have very little value in the real world. Can you imagine the laughter from the Marlins GM if we called them up and offered Mayer for Lopez?

My comp is Nick Madrigal. Drafted 4th overall. Top rated 2B prospect. Saddled with injuries in his first few seasons. Traded for Craig Kimbrel who was pitching well but was also just off 2 bad previous seasons, and Madrigal was hitting over .750 in 2 seasons but with only 300 AB's. Deadline deal. So Mayer for an all-star lefty reliever seems just fine to me. 

[notin]

10 minutes ago, SoxPhan said:

They have a 27yo SS who plays above average defense and is leading the majors in hits and doubles at supposedly "similar value" as a 23yo who has done nothing but get injured and be mid at best when he's been on the field. That is all I need to know. Prospect rankings from multiple years past have very little value in the real world. Can you imagine the laughter from the Marlins GM if we called them up and offered Mayer for Lopez?

My comp is Nick Madrigal. Drafted 4th overall. Top rated 2B prospect. Saddled with injuries in his first few seasons. Traded for Craig Kimbrel who was pitching well but was also just off 2 bad previous seasons, and Madrigal was hitting over .750 in 2 seasons but with only 300 AB's. Deadline deal. So Mayer for an all-star lefty reliever seems just fine to me. 

Madrigal was older and wasn’t the same level of prospect Mayer has been, never being ranked under #40.  Mayer has never been ranked over #15.

I imagine his equal value to Lopez is a slow update.  Or some sites are still giving Mayer very good projections…

[SoxPhan]

58 minutes ago, notin said:

They should be.   They's in 5th place in the AL East and the 4th place team has already started selling.   Detroit is ahead of them for a WC and is taking calls on Skubal and scratching Casey Mize from starts so he does not get hurt.  Five teams are in front of them for the final wild casrd slot and it appears as though some of those teams are already dealing away players.

Toronto might fight for a final spot, but it would certainly be a questionable decision...

I agree they should be, and probably will. But another W tomorrow and they could get starting smoking that hopium. The difference is the return on the Jays guys will be decent but not franchise altering. So they could say f*** it and just go for it. Whereas Detroit cannot afford to let Skubal walk with anything short of a WS appearance or their GM can just let himself out. 

[SoxPhan]

17 minutes ago, notin said:

Madrigal was older and wasn’t the same level of prospect Mayer has been, never being ranked under #40.  Mayer has never been ranked over #15.

I imagine his equal value to Lopez is a slow update.  Or some sites are still giving Mayer very good projections…

Yes, but Madrigal at least showed he could hit in the big leagues in the small sample size he got. And he was only 1 year older. 

And I feel like my point stands as far as taking BTV values with a bowl of salt. Let me know when they update his value to the real world. 

[Duran Is The Man]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Do the Sox really need any more of the multi-position utility players?  Especially ones on the injured list?

Morejon is an extermely talented RP that is on the very short list of woethwhile free agents after this season.  He was an All Star this year, which is not something a lot of non-closing relievers do.  I'd take Morejon, but not for Mayer unless he (Morejon) was paired with someoe more useful than Samad Tayor....

i wasn't advocating we trade for him. in fact, i said no way i'd do that. however, i do like him as multi-position utility guy if we were in the market. obviously, we have more than enough "Samad Taylors" on the roster as it is.

[moonslav59]

The talk on Lugo needed some context. His contract and down numbers mean the return package should be near nil.

It's not saying he's a better pitcher than Singer and others mentioned.

I don't think anyone sees Lugo as our #1 target.