Early Trade deadline deals the selling Sox should make

[southpaw777]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Our middle infield as been a disaster for many years. Back to the Pedey days. Bogey was a plus value SS, but not good on D. Story was okay at 2B, when healthy and had one okay year at SS.

We have sucked at middle infield.

Keeping Arias is a must, despite the chance he flops.

Nobody else excites me. I need more time to evaluate Seigler.

Seigler was drafted in. 2018 23rd by NYY. He’s a AAAA at this point unless he’s a really late bloomer. Hasn’t done a whole lot the last 9 years since he was drafted.

[drewski6]

Jeremy Pena grew up in Providence, RI like me.

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, southpaw777 said:

Seigler was drafted in. 2018 23rd by NYY. He’s a AAAA at this point unless he’s a really late bloomer. Hasn’t done a whole lot the last 9 years since he was drafted.

Well, the first 6 years were wasted on trying to develop him as a catcher. Now his a UTIL guy, which makes much more sense for his profile. Since he's switched to being a UTIL guy:

'24: 122 wRC+ AA

'25: 143 wRC+ AAA

'26: 126 wRC+ AAA, 106 wRC+ MLB 

It takes a long time to develop catchers due to the additional defensive workload and preparation. If he was moved off C years before, he would have probably made it to the show prior to last season. 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

Jeremy Pena grew up in Providence, RI like me.

As well as the King of Providence: Chuck Palumbo. 

[JoeBrady]

5 hours ago, notin said:

No law says they can’t flip Mayer or have to keep him at shortstop…

Will he hit well enough to be a premium prospect at 2B or 3B?

[southpaw777]

35 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Well, the first 6 years were wasted on trying to develop him as a catcher. Now his a UTIL guy, which makes much more sense for his profile. Since he's switched to being a UTIL guy:

'24: 122 wRC+ AA

'25: 143 wRC+ AAA

'26: 126 wRC+ AAA, 106 wRC+ MLB 

It takes a long time to develop catchers due to the additional defensive workload and preparation. If he was moved off C years before, he would have probably made it to the show prior to last season. 

So he became  a utility guy 3-4 years ago? He does not remind me of a catcher. I like the dude. I’m just seeing another 250-260 streaky hitter with some pop in his bat who can play multiple positions. I hope he proves me wrong and becomes more than just that.

I miss 280-300ba 30hr 100 rbi 

we need a couple of those again.

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, southpaw777 said:

So he became  a utility guy 3-4 years ago? He does not remind me of a catcher. I like the dude. I’m just seeing another 250-260 streaky hitter with some pop in his bat who can play multiple positions. I hope he proves me wrong. 

I miss 280-300ba 30hr 100 rbi 

we need a couple of those again.

He shouldn't be an everyday player. He's MAYBE a good bench player. Peak Seigler is him playing like Brock Holt. Maybe he becomes that? More likely he's just a AAAA guy who bounces around and can play everywhere and is fun to watch (ambidextrous, play all over the field, good energy). 

I'm enjoying the Seigler experience while it lasts. We've had some bad UTIL guys here. We've had several streaky ones that have gone on short hot streaks and then faded, but held onto their positions for way too long (i.e. Pablo Reyes). 

[Nick]

Nice to hear Contreras say he has no interest in waiving his 'no-trade' clause. He loves Boston. He loves not catching. He loves hitting in Fenway. 

He maybe our long term solution at the DH spot.

Everyone else seems to want to get the hay out of dodge. 

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, notin said:

Worth noting that dealing the perennially injured McCullers might not equate to a complete white flag.  It might just be moving an annual headache to another team…

What has been speculated is that Houston might be moving to get under the cap.  I assume Houston is picking up most of McCullers salary, so they still need to cut payroll.  Pena and Paredes both make $9M+.  That might Houston more amenable to moving them.

[JoeBrady]

4 hours ago, southpaw777 said:

So he became  a utility guy 3-4 years ago? He does not remind me of a catcher. I like the dude. I’m just seeing another 250-260 streaky hitter with some pop in his bat who can play multiple positions. I hope he proves me wrong and becomes more than just that.

I miss 280-300ba 30hr 100 rbi 

we need a couple of those again.

There were only 3 of those in BB last year.  One is Springer, who is unlikely to ever revert.  The other two are Judge and Ramirez.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, notin said:

In the standings, the Sox are barely better than a team already selling.

 

Not sure trading a pitcher that is always hurt is a sign of "selling."

[moonslav59]

15 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

What has been speculated is that Houston might be moving to get under the cap.  I assume Houston is picking up most of McCullers salary, so they still need to cut payroll.  Pena and Paredes both make $9M+.  That might Houston more amenable to moving them.

The report says MIN will pay $2M of the remaining $6M.

I think HOU is already under the tax line.

[moonslav59]

If HOU is the big seller, this summer, they do have players at positions we need.

Yordan Alvarez is a pipedream and even an offer of Early, Arias and Witherspoon likely would fall way-way-way short.

Paredes at DH, unless we want to move Durbin to 2B. Nice RHB.

Pena at SS is also a RHB and plays a position we have great need.

Okert LHP and Blubaugh RHP might help the pen.

Could an offer starting with Arias and Mayer net us Pena & Paredes? (Key word: "starting")

[southpaw777]

1 hour ago, JoeBrady said:

There were only 3 of those in BB last.  One is Springer, who is unlikely to ever revert.  The other two are Judge and Ramirez.

Yeah, I know. I miss them.

[drewski6]

49 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

If HOU is the big seller, this summer, they do have players at positions we need.

Yordan Alvarez is a pipedream and even an offer of Early, Arias and Witherspoon likely would fall way-way-way short.

Paredes at DH, unless we want to move Durbin to 2B. Nice RHB.

Pena at SS is also a RHB and plays a position we have great need.

Okert LHP and Blubaugh RHP might help the pen.

Could an offer starting with Arias and Mayer net us Pena & Paredes? (Key word: "starting")

I dont know but its orange outside cuz of the candian wild fires.

[notin]

2 hours ago, drewski6 said:

Jeremy Pena grew up in Providence, RI like me.

I’m out on Peña now…

[notin]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Not sure trading a pitcher that is always hurt is a sign of "selling."

Well, they traded him to a contender, who is clearly buying.  But yeah, I already acknowledged they might just be offloading his oft-injured ass because he is so unreliable 

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, southpaw777 said:

Seigler was drafted in. 2018 23rd by NYY. He’s a AAAA at this point unless he’s a really late bloomer. Hasn’t done a whole lot the last 9 years since he was drafted.

9 years? He was drafted 8 years ago.

He played 24 games after being drafted in 2018.

There was no MiLB in 2020.

Go ahead and count 2018, it's really just 7 seasons. True: he did next to nothing for the first 3-4 seasons played. He only came to life in 2024 at AA and 2025 at AAA.

I'd like to see what he does in the next few weeks before anointing him our 2B solution.

[notin]

2 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

Will he hit well enough to be a premium prospect at 2B or 3B?

Well enough to be a premium prospect? Already done that.  Hit enough to keep an MLB job? TBD.

But I have some faith and I’m not alone.  Arizona wanted him not long ago for Marte…

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, notin said:

Well, they traded him to a contender, who is clearly buying.  But yeah, I already acknowledged they might just be offloading his oft-injured ass because he is so unreliable 

Yes, MIN is buying. HOU might end up being sellers or not.

[UtahSox]

4 hours ago, notin said:

It’s not unreasonable. But what’s the lightest package you walk away from?

Honestly, I think this team is really close to being a title contender probably more so than the rest of you so I’d probably cut off at Eyanson Mayer Duran. But I also think we’d get a hometown discount for a long-term deal with Peña so I think the risk is a little lower than just any player for 1.4 years.

[moonslav59]

13 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Honestly, I think this team is really close to being a title contender probably more so than the rest of you so I’d probably cut off at Eyanson Mayer Duran. But I also think we’d get a hometown discount for a long-term deal with Peña so I think the risk is a little lower than just any player for 1.4 years.

Duran adds next to nothing to a trade, especially to a team looking to rebuild and or save money.

Mayer might have some nice trade value to some GMs who like his future, but I'm not sure how many GM like it, or how much value they assign to his upside potential.

Eyanson, Early and Arias have the highest trade value, and it might take two to get a top quality player controlled beyond 2026. Pena has one more year. Would you give two of those 3 for him? I might for Pena & Paredes- both controlled through 2027- maybe not for just Pena.

[moonslav59]

Word is the Yanks are looking at trading for Mason Miller and a Catcher (Jeffers or Goodman.)

The Cubs, Braves and Rays are interested in Skubal. (Yes, the Rays.)

When you think of who the Sox need to get better, think about getting better than these two teams with their new additions.

[UtahSox]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Duran adds next to nothing to a trade, especially to a team looking to rebuild and or save money.

Mayer might have some nice trade value to some GMs who like his future, but I'm not sure how many GM like it, or how much value they assign to his upside potential.

Eyanson, Early and Arias have the highest trade value, and it might take two to get a top quality player controlled beyond 2026. Pena has one more year. Would you give two of those 3 for him? I might for Pena & Paredes- both controlled through 2027- maybe not for just Pena.

Yes I would….. also Agree I don’t think Astros take Duran… Peña is represented by Boras…. So no hometown discount on extension. But might be salary cap?? 

Question for all of you…….Max offer on July 15th for these 3?

Byron Buxton (control through ‘28), Joe Ryan (control through ‘27), Ryan Jeffers (rental)?

 

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Yes I would….. also Agree I don’t think Astros take Duran… Peña is represented by Boras…. So no hometown discount on extension. But might be salary cap?? 

Question for all of you…….Max offer on July 15th for these 3?

Byron Buxton (control through ‘28), Joe Ryan (control through ‘27), Ryan Jeffers (rental)?

 

I would not take Joe Ryan, because we'd need to give Early or Tolle just for that piece.

We don't need Buxton, but Anthony can DH, when he returns.

I'd give Mayer, Witherspoon & Phillips for Buxton & Jeffers.

If you want Ryan too, you (not me) would have to offer Arias or Early. Maybe Eyanson & Valera, instead.

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Yes I would….. also Agree I don’t think Astros take Duran… Peña is represented by Boras…. So no hometown discount on extension. But might be salary cap?? 
 

We can maybe get Pena and not think about forcing Duran on them.

I don't know if they like Mayer, but they would need an infielder.

I'm not sure they are in sell mode.

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, drewski6 said:

I dont know but its orange outside cuz of the candian wild fires.

It's bad down here in NY.  I went for a walk I wanted to get in before it started raining.  Turns out that those weren't rain clouds.  And the smell wasn't someone BBQing.  This feels like far worse than it was a few years ago.  It's dark outside now.

[JoeBrady]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'd give Mayer, Witherspoon & Phillips for Buxton & Jeffers.

Would Buxton be happy at DH or LF?

[JoeBrady]

23 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Peña is represented by Boras…. So no hometown discount on extension.

Pena will be 30.5 years old at the start of his next contract.  Not an ideal age for a long-term contract.

[UtahSox]

14 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Would Buxton be happy at DH or LF?

He does have NTC good point…. You have to think to play LF for the Boston F***ing Red Sox while pushing for postseason. You gotta say yes?? Have WC40 call him and tell him what it’s like out there. 
 

Bux move would be exactly what the lineup needs, but would definitely change the roles of Yoshida and Duran….  they would need to go.