Another lost season

[Randy Red Sox]

9 hours ago, notin said:

Pterodactyls were neither birds nor dinosaurs. They were pterosaurs.   
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pterosaur

this thread has gone as far off the rails as the Red Sox 2026 season.

[MADSTORK]

Lmfao!

it was all Cora’s fault wasn’t it?

you boys seem surprised?

the only chance Henry has is to dump breezelow and the apologist Kennedy after the dumpster fire and give the GM and President role to Epstein…

it’s the only card left to play and those are the facts and Jaun says hello…

[moonslav59]

40 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

they bloody well better not trade EITHER Tolle or Early.  Both have proven their worth at the MLB level.

I don't get how people can think this team is rotten to the core and then think we can trade for a couple stars and win a ring.

If any trading will be done, the odds are we will be sellers not buyers.

[mvp 78]

On 5/16/2026 at 8:20 AM, Bellhorn04 said:

It all comes back to Henry's Hubris in 2019, firing Dombrowski and ordering Betts to be traded.  Turning the Red Sox into an experiment with newbie CBOs and a helter-skelter approach.  Throwing stuff at the wall.

Trading Mookie was a huge hinge point. 

[mvp 78]

When I eventually leave FL, I'll miss the sandhill cranes (have been around up to 6M years). 

[Old Red]

10 hours ago, MADSTORK said:

Lmfao!

it was all Cora’s fault wasn’t it?

you boys seem surprised?

the only chance Henry has is to dump breezelow and the apologist Kennedy after the dumpster fire and give the GM and President role to Epstein…

it’s the only card left to play and those are the facts and Jaun says hello…

The bag heads! and the MadStork. Well deserved.👏

[mvp 78]

Why would Theo take the CBO role? He has a gig for life and can never get blamed for anything that goes wrong? He gets to go around the country and give motivational talks to big wigs and be seen as a guru who won a WS for two loser franchises. He doesn't even have to be quoted by the media anymore. It's the perfect job. Nobody knows what he does! 

[Old Red]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Why would Theo take the CBO role? He has a gig for life and can never get blamed for anything that goes wrong? He gets to go around the country and give motivational talks to big wigs and be seen as a guru who won a WS for two loser franchises. He doesn't even have to be quoted by the media anymore. It's the perfect job. Nobody knows what he does! 

I’m not so sure on blame for Theo who’s hiding in the shadows. Did he help Brez get the job in the first place? Did Theo help Brez get the power to fire Cora, or trade Raffy?🤔

[jad]

On 5/16/2026 at 8:20 AM, Bellhorn04 said:

It all comes back to Henry's Hubris in 2019, firing Dombrowski and ordering Betts to be traded.  Turning the Red Sox into an experiment with newbie CBOs and a helter-skelter approach.  Throwing stuff at the wall.

And when that didn't work, he just continued with the plan:  getting rid of Bogaerts and then Devers.   And now? Here we are.

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I’m not so sure on blame for Theo who’s hiding in the shadows. Did he help Brez get the job in the first place? Did Theo help Brez get the power to fire Cora, or trade Raffy?🤔

Theo wasn't hired until ST after Brez was hired. I'm sure Henry asked Theo about Brez and advice on the hiring. Nobody assigning blame to Theo for the hiring though. There wasn't anyone else left to interview. It was musical chairs, except the candidates were leaving and there were just a bunch of empty chairs and Brez sitting by himself. 

[moonslav59]

44 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Trading Mookie was a huge hinge point. 

Yup, and not replacing his salary only made it worse.

Then, other high-priced players left without decent replacements.

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Theo wasn't hired until ST after Brez was hired. I'm sure Henry asked Theo about Brez and advice on the hiring. Nobody assigning blame to Theo for the hiring though. There wasn't anyone else left to interview. It was musical chairs, except the candidates were leaving and there were just a bunch of empty chairs and Brez sitting by himself. 

How did Brez get all his power through that certainly Bloom didn’t have especially over Cora?

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yup, and not replacing his salary only made it worse.

Then, other high-priced players left without decent replacements.

And once you start getting rid of all these veterans, it probably makes it harder to bring in good FA's TBH.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

And once you start getting rid of all these veterans, it probably makes it harder to bring in good FA's TBH.

I never bought into that theory.

Pay the guy and he signs.

Our issue is NOT paying THE guy.

[mvp 78]

Just now, Old Red said:

How did Brez get all his power through that certainly Bloom didn’t have especially over Cora?

Bloom was here for 2020 (no Cora), 2021 (ALCS), 2022 (bad), 2023 (fired). It was clear that ownership was tied at the hip to Cora at that point because of the WS recency bias. Once they started banking more losing seasons (2024 and start of 2026) it was easier to start to blame the coaching staff who had overstayed their welcome. 

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Bloom was here for 2020 (no Cora), 2021 (ALCS), 2022 (bad), 2023 (fired). It was clear that ownership was tied at the hip to Cora at that point because of the WS recency bias. Once they started banking more losing seasons (2024 and start of 2026) it was easier to start to blame the coaching staff who had overstayed their welcome. 

True.

I also don't see Brez having that much more power than Bloom, just a bigger budget.

[Sthpaw777]

11 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I don't get how people can think this team is rotten to the core and then think we can trade for a couple stars and win a ring.

If any trading will be done, the odds are we will be sellers not buyers.

Sellers for sure. Lots of teams have early mentioned Chapman. He could help bring back someone’s young power bat. He’s got an option that vests for 13 m I believe for 27 after 40ip in 26, so he’s got more than rental value.

[Sthpaw777]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I never bought into that theory.

Pay the guy and he signs.

Our issue is NOT paying THE guy.

Maybe not that easy after watching the Devers/Bregman fiasco. Players, and front office personnel for that matter, want security and stability unless they’re a young asst GM offered the Prez of BB ops in Boston because no respected front office personnel wanted to work for Henry.

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, Sthpaw777 said:

Maybe not that easy after watching the Devers/Bregman fiasco. Players, and front office personnel for that matter, want security and stability unless they’re a young asst GM offered the Prez of BB ops in Boston because no respected front office personnel wanted to work for Henry.

Managers and GM, sure, but players will take the money, if we offer it.

(Or with no trade clauses, if demanded)

[Sthpaw777]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Managers and GM, sure, but players will take the money, if we offer it.

(Or with no trade clauses, if demanded)

 

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Managers and GM, sure, but players will take the money, if we offer it.

(Or with no trade clauses, if demanded)

Bres already said that the team doesn’t do that (NTC). Bregman would have signed here if he had one. So some guys like that on big deals may not. Im sure players and FO personnel alike see what’s happening here.

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, Sthpaw777 said:

Bres already said that the team doesn’t do that (NTC). Bregman would have signed here if he had one. So some guys like that on big deals may not. Im sure players and FO personnel alike see what’s happening here.

I'm not sure the NTC was the only Breggie deal breaker, but that is something that will keep some top players away from BOS.

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, Old Red said:

How did Brez get all his power through that certainly Bloom didn’t have especially over Cora?

Blackmail?

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

True.

I also don't see Brez having that much more power than Bloom, just a bigger budget.

Well when I keep hearing we cant move Brez because nobody would take the job...if thats true it gives brez an advantage vs bloom when it comes to not getting sacked.

[Randy Red Sox]

12 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I don't get how people can think this team is rotten to the core and then think we can trade for a couple stars and win a ring.

If any trading will be done, the odds are we will be sellers not buyers.

we NEED to be sellers and the QUICKER THE BETTER.  Contreras, Chapman, Gray, and Duran should able to return some young cost controlled talent THAT JOHN HENRY craves.

[drewski6]

My issue with selling for prospects is from like 2022-2024 it appeared we throttled back some aggression, instead waiting for the next great group of prospects to break in.  It felt like we would wait to get a homegrown core before we got super aggressive getting guys to compliment them and roll out a competitive team.

Then the kids started getting worked in 2025 and it has continued this year....And now it fells like 5 years of waiting already in the books.....Talking about a reset for prospects? Thats another 3 yrs of waiting? Hey listen, I can do it.  Im willing to do it.  But my concern is that it kind of feels a little like here we go again.  

Now I know thats more of a perception than anythign else.  I certainly dont actually mean: we should never build around future prospects again because its been a rough last 5 years....But there is a part of me thats like "sell for prospects, then wait for them, then try to work them in".....Part of me lets out an unenthusiastic "yay"

Its hard to be excited right now.  But at least Gonzales is 7 feet tall and you cant teach that.  So at least thats different.  But its just hard to get pumped about starting the cycle again, even though its probably needed.

[drewski6]

5 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

we NEED to be sellers and the QUICKER THE BETTER.  Contreras, Chapman, Gray, and Duran should able to return some young cost controlled talent THAT JOHN HENRY craves.

Why did you capitalize "THAT" ??

[Randy Red Sox]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

Why did you capitalize "THAT" ??

5should have capitalized the whole post mr math teacher lol

[mvp 78]

32 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

we NEED to be sellers and the QUICKER THE BETTER.  Contreras, Chapman, Gray, and Duran should able to return some young cost controlled talent THAT JOHN HENRY craves.

Nobody wants Duran right now. Have you watched this team in 2026? 

[mvp 78]

28 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

My issue with selling for prospects is from like 2022-2024 it appeared we throttled back some aggression, instead waiting for the next great group of prospects to break in.  It felt like we would wait to get a homegrown core before we got super aggressive getting guys to compliment them and roll out a competitive team.

Then the kids started getting worked in 2025 and it has continued this year....And now it fells like 5 years of waiting already in the books.....Talking about a reset for prospects? Thats another 3 yrs of waiting? Hey listen, I can do it.  Im willing to do it.  But my concern is that it kind of feels a little like here we go again.  

Now I know thats more of a perception than anythign else.  I certainly dont actually mean: we should never build around future prospects again because its been a rough last 5 years....But there is a part of me thats like "sell for prospects, then wait for them, then try to work them in".....Part of me lets out an unenthusiastic "yay"

Its hard to be excited right now.  But at least Gonzales is 7 feet tall and you cant teach that.  So at least thats different.  But its just hard to get pumped about starting the cycle again, even though its probably needed.

It needs to be a never ending cycle of adding young guys and complimenting them with veteran players. You just can't be wholly reliant on the young guys being ready in years 1 and 2. You have to live with a rollercoaster ride. Annointing them the saviors of the franchise is really dumb!

[Old Red]

26 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It needs to be a never ending cycle of adding young guys and complimenting them with veteran players. You just can't be wholly reliant on the young guys being ready in years 1 and 2. You have to live with a rollercoaster ride. Annointing them the saviors of the franchise is really dumb!

Agree. Rice, Lynne, and Evans were all 22-23 in 75 when they produced, but they had Vets like Yaz, Rico, and Fisk there to help.