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[Old Red]

35 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

One bat isn't winning them a WS. One bat isn't winning them the division. 

Would 1 bat helped them against the YANKEES last postseason? Let’s see where the Red Sox are come the end of JULY, and then go from there. It’s way to early to decide what to do now , and either way I don’t trust Brez to do the right thing anyway.

[notin]

40 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The only way they are going to win a WS is through the prospects turning into legit players. That's how they won in 07, 13 and 18. 

And most of those prized prospects in 2018 weren’t rookies with 150-200 career plate appearances.   Even Devers entered the year with 240 PA.   Bradley took quite a while to become a well-rounded player.  But Benintendi came on strong as a rookie and was great in 2018, but really hasn’t been the same player since…

[JoeBrady]

8 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

One bat isn't going to fix this team. They need several bats to turn their season around.

I'd prefer two, but if we replaced Durbin with Paredes, and Paredes delivered his career-average OPS, that would then generate 86.2 wins.  That would make us the #2 WC.

[moonslav59]

33 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I'd prefer two, but if we replaced Durbin with Paredes, and Paredes delivered his career-average OPS, that would then generate 86.2 wins.  That would make us the #2 WC.

I think Paredes, without giving up any useful MLB talent would be enough to get us to the dance, but not as a top favorite.

This could be the year, anything goes once the dance begins.

[mvp 78]

16 hours ago, notin said:

And most of those prized prospects in 2018 weren’t rookies with 150-200 career plate appearances.   Even Devers entered the year with 240 PA.   Bradley took quite a while to become a well-rounded player.  But Benintendi came on strong as a rookie and was great in 2018, but really hasn’t been the same player since…

No, the expectations for '26 shouldn't have been WS. It should be building towards a WS. 

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

No, the expectations for '26 shouldn't have been WS. It should be building towards a WS. 

Haven’t they been doing that for the last three years waiting for the so called bumper crop to be here? Who else is coming? As everyone has pointed out the league is so WEAK this year if the rotation is healthy I’ll take my chances NOW, You get in to win, and anything else should be unacceptable. You may like waiting longer, but the players are playing to win now.

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

Haven’t they been doing that for the last three years waiting for the so called bumper crop to be here? Who else is coming? As everyone has pointed out the league is so WEAK this year if the rotation is healthy I’ll take my chances NOW, You get in to win, and anything else should be unacceptable. You may like waiting longer, but the players are playing to win now.

As I said yesterday, you are a go for it every year guy. That business model doesn't make sense. 

Anthony/Mayer/Tolle/Early haven't even played a full season in the bigs and you think they are WS contenders? Laughable if that's the young core. 

[Old Red]

12 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

As I said yesterday, you are a go for it every year guy. That business model doesn't make sense. 

Anthony/Mayer/Tolle/Early haven't even played a full season in the bigs and you think they are WS contenders? Laughable if that's the young core. 

The goal every year should be to get into the postseason. If Sam, or Brez came out right now, and said we don’t think we’re good enough this year, so we’re not going to make any moves to get into the postseason they would be chastised for it, and they should. 2021 was worth it. 2025 was worth it. 2026 would be worth it if they can get in. I’m not counting on those suspects you mentioned, and that’s why they need, and needed some more veteran players like Bregman, or RAffy who have played in the postseason. Don’t be afraid. Come on in the water is fine, and it may be even better come Aug. Business Model?🤮

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

The goal every year should be to get into the postseason. If Sam, or Brez came out right now, and said we don’t think we’re good enough this year, so we’re not going to make any moves to get into the postseason they would be chastised for it, and they should. 2021 was worth it. 2025 was worth it. 2026 would be worth it if they can get in. I’m not counting on those suspects you mentioned, and that’s why they need, and needed some more veteran players like Bregman, or RAffy who have played in the postseason. Don’t be afraid. Come on in the water is fine, and it may be even better come Aug. Business Model?🤮

They thought they would get into the the playoffs this year. They had a bad plan. They are now behind the 8 ball and are 5 games under .500 in May. Adding one bat now and having them try to sneak into the last playoff spot in an expanded playoff race is going to do what exactly? This fanbase doesn't feel better about the franchise because they made the playoffs last year. Arguably, they feel worse because they lost to the Yankees! It doesn't feel like the playoffs meant much to the team either as it didn't carry over into the new year. 

[UtahSox]

18 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

That was coming off back to back AL East titles. This team isn't there yet. We're still stuck at 2014/15 it seems. 

The 2018 Sox were:

21-7 at the end of April

39-18 at the end of May

56-28 at the end of June

75-34 at the end of July

You can't compare this year to 2018. This is a AAA team compared to 2018.

I didn’t compare this year to 2018. Someone used 2020 as an example of what happens when you have years and years of buy now. I simply stated I would trade 3 2020’s in a row for a 2018 every 4th year. It was my funnest year as a Red Sox fan IMO. 

[Old Red]

20 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They thought they would get into the the playoffs this year. They had a bad plan. They are now behind the 8 ball and are 5 games under .500 in May. Adding one bat now and having them try to sneak into the last playoff spot in an expanded playoff race is going to do what exactly? This fanbase doesn't feel better about the franchise because they made the playoffs last year. Arguably, they feel worse because they lost to the Yankees! It doesn't feel like the playoffs meant much to the team either as it didn't carry over into the new year. 

So now you’re speaking for the fanbase? How many do you speak to, or hear on other venues? I bet not as much as I do. I’m not into the illusion of contention thing like some are on here saying how  close the Red Sox are to getting into a wildcard spot. I see them as they are, which is a 5 games under 500 team, and have been worse than that most of the year, which shows how bad they really have been in a very weak league, and they might never make it above 500 at all. Just getting to 500 would be a very low bar. I disagree 100% the fanbase didn’t feel better last year making the postseason just, because you didn’t, and would feel better this year if they did again compared to if they didn’t unlike yourself apparently. One year doesn’t have to carry into the next year to be successful.

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Old Red said:

So now you’re speaking for the fanbase? How many do you speak to, or hear on other venues? I bet not as much as I do. I’m not into the illusion of contention thing like some are on here saying how  close the Red Sox are to getting into a wildcard spot. I see them as they are, which is a 5 games under 500 team, and have been worse than that most of the year, which shows how bad they really have been in a very weak league, and they might never make it above 500 at all. Just getting to 500 would be a very low bar. I disagree 100% the fanbase didn’t feel better last year making the postseason just, because you didn’t, and would feel better this year if they did again compared to if they didn’t unlike yourself apparently.

So now you're speaking for the fanbase? 

Your last sentence shows that you just don't understand my point. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

52 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

As I said yesterday, you are a go for it every year guy. That business model doesn't make sense. 

Anthony/Mayer/Tolle/Early haven't even played a full season in the bigs and you think they are WS contenders? Laughable if that's the young core. 

And yet people on here and other forums and even a few in the media were predicting the Red Sox to win 90+ games and contend this year.

And even as bad as the Sox have been, even Yankee fans -- whose team goes for it every single year in the name of every straw that stirs the drink -- know that NY is ever only a Judge injury away from sucking like everyone else.

Just Sox fans knew for 20 years the biggest difference between New York and Boston wasn't Jeter, but Rivera.

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

So now you're speaking for the fanbase? 

Your last sentence shows that you just don't understand my point. 

I’m not speaking for the fanbase, but I hear a lot more of them than you do. As I’ve said many times TS does not have the pulse of RSN very often. What I don’t understand is the not getting in it to win it attitude. You guys are the diehards who watch every game, which i used to be, but now I’m just a bystander who remembers what it was like when I was.

[moonslav59]

15 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

I didn’t compare this year to 2018. Someone used 2020 as an example of what happens when you have years and years of buy now. I simply stated I would trade 3 2020’s in a row for a 2018 every 4th year. It was my funnest year as a Red Sox fan IMO. 

Pre 2024, I used to say I'll take 9 last place finishes for just one ring.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

And yet people on here and other forums and even a few in the media were predicting the Red Sox to win 90+ games and contend this year.

And even as bad as the Sox have been, even Yankee fans -- whose team goes for it every single year in the name of every straw that stirs the drink -- know that NY is ever only a Judge injury away from sucking like everyone else.

Just Sox fans knew for 20 years the biggest difference between New York and Boston wasn't Jeter, but Rivera.

As bad as the AL looked before the year even started, if you felt the Sox improved, 90 wins did not seem so absurd.

Oh what 6-7 weeks can do!

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

And yet people on here and other forums and even a few in the media were predicting the Red Sox to win 90+ games and contend this year.

And even as bad as the Sox have been, even Yankee fans -- whose team goes for it every single year in the name of every straw that stirs the drink -- know that NY is ever only a Judge injury away from sucking like everyone else.

Just Sox fans knew for 20 years the biggest difference between New York and Boston wasn't Jeter, but Rivera.

I don't think many of us predicted the outcome of '21 or '22 very well either. We typically go with the prior year and think it'll be close to that again. 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Pre 2024, I used to say I'll take 9 last place finishes for just one ring.

I've seen 4 WS. 9 last place finishes followed by a WS sounds like torture. 

Let's say I live 40 more years, that's 4 WS and 36 summers of last place teams to be annoyed by. 36 years of my life wanting to change the channel vs 4 playoff runs. Doesn't seem worth it. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't think many of us predicted the outcome of '21 or '22 very well either. We typically go with the prior year and think it'll be close to that again. 

That's why I never bet on football. Every week the odds are based on what happened the week before.

[Old Red]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

As bad as the AL looked before the year even started, if you felt the Sox improved, 90 wins did not seem so absurd.

Oh what 6-7 weeks can do!

Because you were counting on little Anthony to have a Fred Lynn type season when he wasn’t prepared to do so just for starters.