Boston Red Sox, Houston Astros Engaging in Trade Talks

[notin]

34 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

But adding Hicks gets John Henry salary relief.

That Sox fans are desperate to dump Hicks AFTER EIGHTEEN INNINGS PITCHED in a season in which he not only switched teams, but switched roles and then barely got a chance to adjust might rank as the biggest snap judgement Ive seen on here in a while.

Hicks has had a good career as a RP. Keep him in that role.  Is he really even overpaid? He makes $12.5 mill this season.  Former Red Sox washout Brad Keller just signed for $11mill AAV.  Trading Hicks is probably a bad move, especially if you’re using him to reduce what you get back for topflight players…

[mvp 78]

29 minutes ago, notin said:

That Sox fans are desperate to dump Hicks AFTER EIGHTEEN INNINGS PITCHED in a season in which he not only switched teams, but switched roles and then barely got a chance to adjust might rank as the biggest snap judgement Ive seen on here in a while.

Hicks has had a good career as a RP. Keep him in that role.  Is he really even overpaid? He makes $12.5 mill this season.  Former Red Sox washout Brad Keller just signed for $11mill AAV.  Trading Hicks is probably a bad move, especially if you’re using him to reduce what you get back for topflight players…

Hicks had already transitioned to the pen prior to the trade. 

His BB/9 as a starter is better than only Jovani Moran's of the guys projected to be in the Sox bullpen. Moran is potential the next DFA. 

There wasn't anything good about his stint in the bullpen and he was the first guy to leave the clubhouse every night per reports. 

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Hitch said:

Why would we add both? It's one or the other. I'm not using Abreu just to dump Hicks. He's far too good (and under control) to be using as an opportunity to salary dump and bring in inferior players. 

With Masa and an OF'er gone, DH is open for a big RH'd power bat we need- Suarez.

Paredes fits the infield need and also adds a good bat.

I don't want to trade Abreu: I want to dump Masa and Hicks. Those are the biggest perks of the trades, besides adding two good RH'd bats.

[moonslav59]

41 minutes ago, notin said:

That Sox fans are desperate to dump Hicks AFTER EIGHTEEN INNINGS PITCHED in a season in which he not only switched teams, but switched roles and then barely got a chance to adjust might rank as the biggest snap judgement Ive seen on here in a while.

Hicks has had a good career as a RP. Keep him in that role.  Is he really even overpaid? He makes $12.5 mill this season.  Former Red Sox washout Brad Keller just signed for $11mill AAV.  Trading Hicks is probably a bad move, especially if you’re using him to reduce what you get back for topflight players…

It's more about the $24M/2 and $10.2 AAV x 2 than his lack of hope.

[Old Red]

13 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Hicks had already transitioned to the pen prior to the trade. 

His BB/9 as a starter is better than only Jovani Moran's of the guys projected to be in the Sox bullpen. Moran is potential the next DFA. 

There wasn't anything good about his stint in the bullpen and he was the first guy to leave the clubhouse every night per reports. 

A good dump by SF.

[Hitch]

16 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

With Masa and an OF'er gone, DH is open for a big RH'd power bat we need- Suarez.

Paredes fits the infield need and also adds a good bat.

I don't want to trade Abreu: I want to dump Masa and Hicks. Those are the biggest perks of the trades, besides adding two good RH'd bats.

You're in dreamland man, We are not getting teams to take Hicks and Masa off us, unless we are still paying the majority of the money, and at that point we may as well keep Masa. 

I sure as hell don't want us binning off Abreu just so we can bring in Suarez.

[mvp 78]

23 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It's more about the $24M/2 and $10.2 AAV x 2 than his lack of hope.

If it's just about money, who cares? DFA. Big market ballclubs don't need someone else to foot the bill of their mistakes. 

[Bellhorn04]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

It's more about the $24M/2 and $10.2 AAV x 2 than his lack of hope.

Hicks was basically a reciprocal mini-dump that reduced the savings of dumping Devers's contract.  If Breslow and Bailey think he's worth another look that's up to them.

[moonslav59]

58 minutes ago, Hitch said:

You're in dreamland man, We are not getting teams to take Hicks and Masa off us, unless we are still paying the majority of the money, and at that point we may as well keep Masa. 

I sure as hell don't want us binning off Abreu just so we can bring in Suarez.

It wasn't just Suarez: it was Baty and Suarez or Paredes and Suarez.

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Hicks was basically a reciprocal mini-dump that reduced the savings of dumping Devers's contract.  If Breslow and Bailey think he's worth another look that's up to them.

Oh, I'm pretty sure they think he's worth another look. The dumped Bernardino, Murphy & Guerrero to keep a roster spot warm for Hicks.

I'm not against the idea that he could rebound. I was merely looking for a way to add two bats, since adding one big one seems like a lost cause, right now.

I'm not "for" trading Abreu or even Duran, but we have a gaping hole at 2B/3B and big power bat. I'm not sure Paredes covers both openings with one move, so I looked for ways to add a 2B/3Bman and a power bat (E Suarez.) It was just looking for "a way."

I do not think Brez is looking for "that way," at all.

[mvp 78]

15 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Hicks was basically a reciprocal mini-dump that reduced the savings of dumping Devers's contract.  If Breslow and Bailey think he's worth another look that's up to them.

Sox were hoping to get value out of that $$$. It hasn't worked out so far. Maybe they wait and see what it looks like in ST. If he is still struggling with throwing strikes, he should just be let go. 

[Old Red]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

Oh, I'm pretty sure they think he's worth another look. The dumped Bernardino, Murphy & Guerrero to keep a roster spot warm for Hicks.

I'm not against the idea that he could rebound. I was merely looking for a way to add two bats, since adding one big one seems like a lost cause, right now.

I'm not "for" trading Abreu or even Duran, but we have a gaping hole at 2B/3B and big power bat. I'm not sure Paredes covers both openings with one move, so I looked for ways to add a 2B/3Bman and a power bat (E Suarez.) It was just looking for "a way."

I do not think Brez is looking for "that way," at all.

I don’t know if the Red Sox think Hicks is worth another look, or not, but I don’t think, because they kept a roster spot for him is anything more not wanting to just dump his salary. If he was making what the other guys were he might be gone, or he might not.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I don’t know if the Red Sox think Hicks is worth another look, or not, but I don’t think, because they kept a roster spot for him is anything more not wanting to just dump his salary. If he was making what the other guys were he might be gone, or he might not.

He has no options, so he's still around, because they want to take another look. It might not be a confident look, but he'd be gone by now, if they did not want to have a look-see.

[Old Red]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

He has no options, so he's still around, because they want to take another look. It might not be a confident look, but he'd be gone by now, if they did not want to have a look-see.

I think ST will be big for him, or not. Dumping $24M isn’t an easy decision.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

I think ST will be big for him, or not. Dumping $24M isn’t an easy decision.

It wasn't a $24M DFA dump, which is never easy: it was getting another team to take his full salary to even out the imbalance of the other trade pieces- like Duran>> Baty, but Duran+ Hicks= Baty + Suarez.

[Old Red]

14 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It wasn't a $24M DFA dump, which is never easy: it was getting another team to take his full salary to even out the imbalance of the other trade pieces- like Duran>> Baty, but Duran+ Hicks= Baty + Suarez.

And like I said earlier a big No on your suggested trades BTV accepted, or not, and nor do I want Suarez.

[moonslav59]

BTV accepts DHam, Sandlin and Soto for Ezequiel Tovar.

Do you?

(It was scored by posters as 6-0 yes for Sox and 3-1 yes for COL.)

[Old Red]

15 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

BTV accepts DHam, Sandlin and Soto for Ezequiel Tovar.

Do you?

(It was scored by posters as 6-0 yes for Sox and 3-1 yes for COL.)

No. I wouldn’t want to give up one of my favorite players DHam.😀

[moonslav59]

18 minutes ago, Old Red said:

No. I wouldn’t want to give up one of my favorite players DHam.😀

Too funny!

🙃

[notin]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Hicks had already transitioned to the pen prior to the trade. 

His BB/9 as a starter is better than only Jovani Moran's of the guys projected to be in the Sox bullpen. Moran is potential the next DFA. 

There wasn't anything good about his stint in the bullpen and he was the first guy to leave the clubhouse every night per reports. 

You’re right.  He pitched 3.1 IP in relief for the Giants.  But he still changed roles mid-season, and that might have impacted.  Even if it’s didnt,he still only gave Boston 19 IP last year and Thsts not exactly a significant sample size.  He can certainly bounce back…

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, notin said:

You’re right.  He pitched 3.1 IP in relief for the Giants.  But he still changed roles mid-season, and that might have impacted.  Even if it’s didnt,he still only gave Boston 19 IP last year and Thsts not exactly a significant sample size.  He can certainly bounce back…

Maybe Bailey can work some voodoo magic on him.

[drewski6]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Hicks had already transitioned to the pen prior to the trade. 

His BB/9 as a starter is better than only Jovani Moran's of the guys projected to be in the Sox bullpen. Moran is potential the next DFA. 

There wasn't anything good about his stint in the bullpen and he was the first guy to leave the clubhouse every night per reports. 

Id be dyin to get the heck outta there myself, but still, not a great look

I wouldnt like eat 10m just to dump him to save 2m Hicks.  But Im offering him to the dodgers for Teoscar Hernandez yesterday

[drewski6]

26 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Maybe Bailey can work some voodoo magic on him.

Im sooooo over Bailey.  How many pitchers have worked / developed a splitter under him?

Maybe teach Hicks a splitter.  All you need is a live arm and a grip, and I literally posted a Kevin Gausman video of him teaching you his grip, which is kind of dumb on his part if Im being honest.

I respect it but, hey world - heres what makes me awesome

The splitter is a cheat code.  Ban it or teach it to every pitcher you have.

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Sox were hoping to get value out of that $$$. It hasn't worked out so far. Maybe they wait and see what it looks like in ST. If he is still struggling with throwing strikes, he should just be let go. 

And if its a we'll only take Devers if you take HIcks and we say okay, Hicks doesnt even really need to regain the value of his entire contract.

My thoughts on the devers trade aside, generally speaking, if a team is like ill only do this if you take back this "bad contract" and you think well - he makes 12m but we think we can get 8m in value out of him, you may view the contract as underwater but close enough to par that youre willing to make the swap

Unfortunately I think that Hicks is going to have to provie 200m in value to make the trade worth it and thats um, not gonna happen.  Unless he learns to hit.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Im sooooo over Bailey.  How many pitchers have worked / developed a splitter under him?

Maybe teach Hicks a splitter.  All you need is a live arm and a grip, and I literally posted a Kevin Gausman video of him teaching you his grip, which is kind of dumb on his part if Im being honest.

I respect it but, hey world - heres what makes me awesome

The splitter is a cheat code.  Ban it or teach it to every pitcher you have.

I do think many pitchers did better than expected. Hard to know if Bailey had a hand in any.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

And if its a we'll only take Devers if you take HIcks and we say okay, Hicks doesnt even really need to regain the value of his entire contract.

My thoughts on the devers trade aside, generally speaking, if a team is like ill only do this if you take back this "bad contract" and you think well - he makes 12m but we think we can get 8m in value out of him, you may view the contract as underwater but close enough to par that youre willing to make the swap

Unfortunately I think that Hicks is going to have to provie 200m in value to make the trade worth it and thats um, not gonna happen.  Unless he learns to hit.

You forgot Harrison will be worth $192M, so $8M is all we need from Hicks.

[drewski6]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I do think many pitchers did better than expected. Hard to know if Bailey had a hand in any.

I just want a pitching coach who use to throw a splitter haha

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

You forgot Harrison will be worth $192M, so $8M is all we need from Hicks.

Does he throw a splitter?

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I just want a pitching coach who use to throw a splitter haha

I figured that out after the 4th time you said it.

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Does he throw a splitter?

How about a spitter?