Rumor: Red Sox have discussed trading for Rangers Corey Seager

[vjcsmoke]

So I just read a few articles this morning talking about how the Red Sox are discussing a trade for star shortstop Corey Seager.

Rangers look to be cutting payroll and his 31m dollar salary would replace Bregman/Devers.

Seager has not played full seasons the past 3 years due to some niggling injuries.

However when he played he put up some big numbers.  For his career he has averaged .289 BA, .362 OBP, .509 SLG, and 137 OPS+.

Would you want the Red Sox to make a splash for Seager and how much are you willing to give? The Rangers will probably ask for a huge package for arguably their best player.

[moonslav59]

I think TEX would have to pay some salary or take Yoshida and or Hicks to help balance the cost.

I don't think we should do this trade.

[notin]

BTV accepts Kristian Campbell plus Hicks for Seager and $5-6 million.

If I’m Chris Young and my goal is to offload as much of Seaver’s remains $189million as I can while getting back something for the future, I’m all over tjis deal.  But I still have faith in Campbell and don’t know what Young thinks of him.  

[drewski6]

We cant afford hall of fame talent at hall of fame prices, we need it subsidized if we are ever going to get truly elite talent again = how you guys sound.

Yes, we are interested in Seager. No they do not need to eat money. He is a hall of fame talent.

[drewski6]

Noboy is looking to offload Seager. They are asking for one of Tolle/Early, WITH Mayer and probably more. Dont care what BTV says. They arent dealing a hall of fame talent for salary relief.

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, vjcsmoke said:

So I just read a few articles this morning talking about how the Red Sox are discussing a trade for star shortstop Corey Seager.

Rangers look to be cutting payroll and his 31m dollar salary would replace Bregman/Devers.

Seager has not played full seasons the past 3 years due to some niggling injuries.

However when he played he put up some big numbers.  For his career he has averaged .289 BA, .362 OBP, .509 SLG, and 137 OPS+.

Would you want the Red Sox to make a splash for Seager and how much are you willing to give? The Rangers will probably ask for a huge package for arguably their best player.

thumbs dow for word "arguably"

he is arguably the best position playing ranger of all time (especially if you dont count juangon), he is certainly the best ranger of today.

[mvp 78]

17 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

We cant afford hall of fame talent at hall of fame prices, we need it subsidized if we are ever going to get truly elite talent again = how you guys sound.

Yes, we are interested in Seager. No they do not need to eat money. He is a hall of fame talent.

They can afford it. They don't want to. We understand they don't want to. We are trying to figure out how to work within their dumb budget. JH wants the Sox to be a midmarket team while raking in big market #3 revenue dollars. It's just the reality we find ourselves in. It's the same way in Texas. 🫠

[mvp 78]

15 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

thumbs dow for word "arguably"

he is arguably the best position playing ranger of all time (especially if you dont count juangon), he is certainly the best ranger of today.

1. Ivan Rodriguez

2. Rafael Palmeiro

3. Adrian Beltre

4. Buddy Bell

5. Ian Kinsler

Juan Gonzalez isn't even top 5. 

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

They can afford it. They don't want to. We understand they don't want to. We are trying to figure out how to work within their dumb budget. JH wants the Sox to be a midmarket team while raking in big market #3 revenue dollars. It's just the reality we find ourselves in. 🫠

Its a sad state of baseball when the #3 revenue generating team is not interested in hall of fame talent unless its heavily subsidized to a well below market value contract.

I refuse to believe that we have fallen that far.

I understand that its been disappointing and frustrating for most of us who do not root for JH's bank account - but I honestly think we'll snap back.

That might be a surprising trade for Seager. That might be a surprise 6 yr deal for Alonso. It may be neither of those things, and may not even happen this year.

But between now and the time you are dead - I do believe that the red sox will have top players making top player money at some point.

[drewski6]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

1. Ivan Rodriguez

2. Rafael Palmeiro

3. Adrian Beltre

4. Buddy Bell

5. Ian Kinsler

Juan Gonzalez isn't even top 5. 

Sure.  I dont think of Beltre as a ranger, but maybe I should. He did have a lot of years there, I just think of him as a dodger and a mariner first.  Palmeiro, albeit with a longer career than Juangon, to me is essentially juangon.  Same team. I use to follow that team cuz i wa enamored with all the power.  Both confirmed cheaters. Disappointing. But if we are dinging both for roids, palmeiro of course is higher.  I do kinda think of palmeiro as an oriole.  Dunno much about buddy bell, thats a blidspot for me.  You wont catch me saying a bad word about my tribesman Ian Kinsler.

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

Sure.  I dont think of Beltre as a ranger, but maybe I should. He did have a lot of years there, I just think of him as a dodger and a mariner first.  Palmeiro, albeit with a longer career than Juangon, to me is essentially juangon.  Same team. I use to follow that team cuz i wa enamored with all the power.  Both confirmed cheaters. Disappointing. But if we are dinging both for roids, palmeiro of course is higher.  I do kinda think of palmeiro as an oriole.  Dunno much about buddy bell, thats a blidspot for me.  You wont catch me saying a bad word about my tribesman Ian Kinsler.

Beltre went into the HOF as a Ranger. 

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[notin]

57 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Noboy is looking to offload Seager. They are asking for one of Tolle/Early, WITH Mayer and probably more. Dont care what BTV says. They arent dealing a hall of fame talent for salary relief.

If that’s the case, thats a difficult ask.

Seager is a likely Hall of Famer, but that honor has been earned by what he has done through age 31.  From ages 32 through 37, hes not likely to maintain that pace, despite being paid like he will.  He’s not going to completely fall off in 2026 or 2027, but he definitely will not be maintaining his pace. He will, however, be maintaining his salary.
 

They may ask a lot for Seager, but bear in mind durability has never been his string suit, having topped 134 games only one time since 2017 (although he did play 52 games in 2020).  This is unlikely to improve as he gets older.  And each year, staying at SS gets less likely as well.

 

Make no mistake about it - if Texas is trading him, it is to remove as much financial commitment as possible.  If they have a high price tag in terms of players, they are going to wind up paying a bigger chunk of that remaining $189 million.  No one is taking on all that money while also dealing away the blue chip prospects that make that same money affordable…

[drewski6]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

If that’s the case, thats a difficult ask.

Seager is a likely Hall of Famer, but that honor has been earned by what he has done through age 31.  From ages 32 through 37, hes not likely to maintain that pace, despite being paid like he will.  He’s not going to completely fall off in 2026 or 2027, but he definitely will not be maintaining his pace. He will, however, be maintaining his salary.
 

They may ask a lot for Seager, but bear in mind durability has never been his string suit, having topped 134 games only one time since 2017 (although he did play 52 games in 2020).  This is unlikely to improve as he gets older.  And each year, staying at SS gets less likely as well.

 

Make no mistake about it - if Texas is trading him, it is to remove as much financial commitment as possible.  If they have a high price tag in terms of players, they are going to wind up paying a bigger chunk of that remaining $189 million.  No one is taking on all that money while also dealing away the blue chip prospects that make that same money affordable…

A hall of famer is not washed up at 32. Hes going to be at or near hall of fame level talent for another 2-3 years, followed by 2-3 years of being a contributor (but overpaid). Overall, maybe you get par value from the contract maybe even a little less.

Dont care.

This is a bit chicken vs egg, and I think you are mostly right. But at a certain point it flips.  Are the contributors at minimum wage more valuable than the stars making star money? Well you cant afford the stars making star money without either a) a team of holes or b) guys filling holes on rook deals.  So I get it, you need the cheapo contributors to be underpaid so you can pay the stars who lean overpaid.

But as much as a team with stars making star money needs youngsters making cheapo money, guess what? A team of youngsters making cheapo money NEEDS stars making star money to go anywhere!  Teams with cores under 25s are very rarely champions.

So whats more valuable the underpaid players filling holes, or the elite taletns getting paid like such?  I think its usually the former, but for the trully elite, its the latter.  Ortiz in his 30s was more to us than any player south of 25 ever.  And he was a DH.  You woudnt flip Ortiz at 31 yrs old for blue chip prospects.  Because when you get to that good. Carry a team to a championship good (and Seager has) , you flip the script.  You become the prize.  You become the chicken and stop being the egg (or become the egg and stop being the chicken). But you become the end-game.  The youngsters are the road, the truly elite are the destination.

But sure, Seagers durability throws a wrench in it.

But poo-pooing a hall of famer, who is not washed up, on a team that is #3 revenue generating, and has no offensive all-stars (other than duran who is likely to be traded)......Really is a sorry state of things, Im sorry for saying that.

But our only hitter last year in the top 50 was Duran. Hes likely to be traded, so we have none in the top 50. Heres a 32 yr old hall of fame hitter, and we are like: nope, too rich. The #3 revenue team.  I dont think Im crazy to hit the "give me a break" button here.

Baseball isnt a race to dump stars.  But it seems like it sometimes, and thats sad. 

[mvp 78]

Corey Seager

- only one season +135 games since 1/1/18

zero seasons of 100 RBI

zero seasons of 35 HR

led MLB in doubles twice

runner up in MVP once

He would need to repeat '23-25 in order to get into the HOF. If he falls back at all, he has no shot. 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

But sure, Seagers durability throws a wrench in it.

His durability is what will shorten his career and keep him from what should have been a HOF track.

[drewski6]

20 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

His durability is what will shorten his career and keep him from what should have been a HOF track.

I said hall of fame talent and i chose those words with purpose , haha

Fair point.

My only point here is how quick some are to poo-poo it or demand our trade partner subsidize. Which im like, cmon.

I think you are I are close to agreement on this one.  We can see why we wouldnt bite here, and can even understand the argument. Just have to throw in some eye rolls at the notion that we need money eaten when he would be our best positional player and its not like we are loaded with hitting right now.

[drewski6]

Im just like "obligatory eye roll"

[Old Red]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I think TEX would have to pay some salary or take Yoshida and or Hicks to help balance the cost.

I don't think we should do this trade.

No! Texas would NOT have to take Masa, and or Hicks, nor would they.🤭

 

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, Old Red said:

No! Texas would NOT have to take Masa, and or Hicks, nor would they.🤭

 

They can and will give cash, so no difference. Taking Hicks then DFA'ing him is the same thing.

[Old Red]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

They can and will give cash, so no difference. Taking Hicks then DFA'ing him is the same thing.

No! Texas would NOT have to give cash either. Yes they could, but once again they won’t.

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

No! Texas would NOT have to give cash either. Yes they could, but once again they won’t.

They may not, but they will.

[mvp 78]

Seager

deGrom

for

Hicks

Masa

Perales

Romero

+30M

[JoeBrady]

46 minutes ago, Old Red said:

No! Texas would NOT have to take Masa, and or Hicks, nor would they.🤭

 

I seriously doubt anyone is trading for his remaining $190M/6 without cash trading hands.

[mvp 78]

Seager

for

Hicks

Masa

Sandoval

Bleis

Cespedes

Johanfran

[notin]

8 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I seriously doubt anyone is trading for his remaining $190M/6 without cash trading hands.

At a minimum in the form of a significantly cheaper bad contract.

How many has a player in his situation been traded without either cash or a contract dump been part of the deal?

[notin]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Seager

for

Hicks

Masa

Sandoval

Bleis

Cespedes

Johanfran

I’m sure Texas already had at least equal to every name on that list…

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I seriously doubt anyone is trading for his remaining $190M/6 without cash trading hands.

Indeed, and needing to ask why is a head-scratcher. (Yes, I used that term again- last one was over the JBJ trade.)

[Duran Is The Man]

14 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Seager

for

Hicks

Masa

Sandoval

Bleis

Cespedes

Johanfran

that's more like it. or, just give them the same garbage we got for Devers superstar salary dump.

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

that's more like it. or, just give them the same garbage we got for Devers superstar salary dump.

And once again the Red Sox wouldn’t be in such a big need for production bats if they hadn’t traded Devers Forevers.🤔

[notin]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

And once again the Red Sox wouldn’t be in such a big need for production bats if they hadn’t traded Devers Forevers.🤔

Maybe for Devers hadn’t been such a selfish child, he’d still be here…