Red Sox 2025 Season Review/Offseason Preview Thread

[Duran Is The Man]

55 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

IKF and IDK might have the front-runner slot.

i'm going with IDK. which is what the front office has gone with for the last, what, 7-8 years? 

[notin]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

Trust me: Rodger’s will be our starting 2Bman. Breslow is counting on him to contribute with an OPS well over .800. 
Besides, he’s someone Henry the Cheap is willing to pay for. 

Cheap?

Henry just didnt $6million for a utility infielder.  When was the last time you spent that kind of cash on a utility infielder?!

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Cheap?

Henry just didnt $6million for a utility infielder.  When was the last time you spent that kind of cash on a utility infielder?!

Damn CHEAP!

$41M Gray (STL paid $20M)

$28.3M AAV x 6 Crochet (extension kicks in this season)

$26M AAV x 5 Suarez

$18M x 2 Contreras ($4M x paid by STL)

$13M x 2 Chapman (extension)

$16.3M x8 Anthony (extension)

$7.5M x 8 K Campbell (extension)

$6M Kiner-Falefa

When are we going to get an owner that is NOT CHEAP?!?!?

 

 

[FredLynn]

26 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Damn CHEAP!

$41M Gray (STL paid $20M)

$28.3M AAV x 6 Crochet (extension kicks in this season)

$26M AAV x 5 Suarez

$18M x 2 Contreras ($4M x paid by STL)

$13M x 2 Chapman (extension)

$16.3M x8 Anthony (extension)

$7.5M x 8 K Campbell (extension)

$6M Kiner-Falefa

When are we going to get an owner that is NOT CHEAP?!?!?

 

 

Yup

Cheap

23rd in percentage of revenue spent on salaries.

Cheap

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Yup

Cheap

23rd in percentage of revenue spent on salaries.

Cheap

You keep posting that old news that surely is incorrect by now.

[moonslav59]

Yanks resign Goldschmidt $5M/1.

They just keep beating us to the best of the best!

[Bellhorn04]

A poster on SOSH said Breslow seems to think his job title is Chief Pitching Officer, not Chief Baseball Officer.

[harmony]

On 2/3/2026 at 4:50 PM, moonslav59 said:

You must not agree with BTV:

7.8 Williamson<<< Mayer 50.9

12.7 Cijntje <<< Bello 27.1

I can't take this post seriously.

 

This week ZiPS released its three-year projections, including these numbers for Marcelo Mayer and Ben Williamson:

2026: MM 1.0 WAR in 88 games; BW 2.0 WAR in 134 games

2027: MM 1.1 WAR in 93 games; BW 1.7 WAR in 133 games

2028: MM 1.4 WAR in 98 games; BW 1.8 WAR in 130 games

In total, ZiPS projects Mayer with 3.5 WAR in 279 games (1.25/100) and Williamson with 5.5 WAR in 397 games (1.39/100).

FanGraphs’ 2026 projections from eight sources generally offer similar parallels:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/marcelo-mayer/29668/stats/batting#dashboard

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/ben-williamson/33197/stats/batting#dashboard

Mayer and Williamson each come with six years of team control; neither is likely to attain Super Two status after the 2027 season.

Nevertheless, Baseball Trade Values assigns Mayer $50.9 million in surplus value and Williamson $7.8 million in surplus value.

Does Mayer cling to a trade value based on a top prospect sheen that may have worn off?

[moonslav59]

38 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

A poster on SOSH said Breslow seems to think his job title is Chief Pitching Officer, not Chief Baseball Officer.

We really needed a sharp focus on rebuilding our pitching staff, farm, evaluation, acquisition and development systems, and is some ways our everyday player side of the roster looked deep at nearly every position. There were, and still are, a lot of quality young players with 3+ years of control on the 26 and 40. Brez has added some good ones and traded away some players like Verdugo and of course Devers.

He basically needed to fill three major everyday needs, and it could have been with just 2 high quality players: Big bat, 2B/3Bman and 1Bman. We had a couple minor needs at catcher and infield depth/defense. He did fill the 1Bman need, well, but not really with the big bat many of us felt we needed, and that was the easier slot to find a big bat, as opposed to 2B/3B. He added the infield depth and minor league catcher depth, but we still need a higher quality 2B/3Bman who can also hit well- hopefully with some power, too.

The clock is ticking, and teams are wrapping up on seaking major trades to fill big needs. It might be too late.

Brez did a great job filling the pitching needs we had, this winter. Some might say it was overkill, and within the context of not filling one major need on the other half of the roster, the criticism has some merit. We should remember that in 2025, we went into the winter looking like we had about 10-12 capable to quality SP'ers and we didn't really even count Newcomb, Tolle and Early, who all started several games. We ended up trading for D May and using openers for starts and even deLeon for one.

2025's 10-12

Crochet, Houck, Buehler, Bello, Giolito

Crawford, Sandoval, Fitts, Newcomb, Dobbins

Priester & Winckowski

I'm happy we have this depth, but having this with a gaping hole in the infield is a big gamble for Brez to take. He's made some recent moves to boost the infield defense, and when you have great pitching, that's not a bad idea, but we could have used a bigger bat than Contreras. He'd have been great, if we also added KMarte, Bregman or someone like Paredes/Hoerner or maybe Shaw/E Suarez.

There may still be time to fill the one and a half needs we have with just one guy but big, mid FEB trades are rare.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

13 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Brez did a great job filling the pitching needs we had, this winter. Some might say it was overkill, and within the context of not filling one major need on the other half of the roster, the criticism has some merit.

I promise I won't criticize Breslow if our starting rotation throws shutouts half the season to keep us in the games. 

And not just Crochet-Suarez-Gray-Bello-Oviedo, but when all of them get hurt, our deep depth of Crawford--Sandoval-Early-Tolle-Harrison-Bennett-Witherspoon has to be good, too -- and not just average...

... because the MLB average ERA last year was 4.15 -- and our offense as-is may not outscore that number very often.

[Bellhorn04]

Rumors suggest that Breslow is still looking to add a bat in a trade.  I think he will, it'll be disappointing if it doesn't happen.

[moonslav59]

25 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

I promise I won't criticize Breslow if our starting rotation throws shutouts half the season to keep us in the games. 

And not just Crochet-Suarez-Gray-Bello-Oviedo, but when all of them get hurt, our deep depth of Crawford--Sandoval-Early-Tolle-Harrison-Bennett-Witherspoon has to be good, too -- and not just average...

... because the MLB average ERA last year was 4.15 -- and our offense as-is may not outscore that number very often.

We do have quite a few players that could take a step up on offense (Anthony, Abreu, Mayer, Campbell, Rafaela & Narvaez) or just repeat what they did 2 years ago (Duran, Contreras, Casas & Wong.) Maybe Story, Romy and Masa give us a decent season. We might not need everyone to step up, and it's unlike they all do, but if a handful do, and the others don't all regress on us, maybe we can cobble together an offense that ranks near 10th or 11th. That could be "enough."

Limiting black holes and timely hitting are always the big worries. Last year, we had fewer black holes than most of the best teams in MLB, but we also had fewer big bats. We lost 4 of our top 6 OPS guys from a 2025 team that was already not all that great on offense. We added Contreras, I K-F and expect some rookies and 2nd year men to take up the slack. That's a BIG ASK.

[moonslav59]

35 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Rumors suggest that Breslow is still looking to add a bat in a trade.  I think he will, it'll be disappointing if it doesn't happen.

I heard that, too, and I gotta think HOU and the CHC are still open for a deal, but maybe Brez is just refusing to "overpay" to get what we need.

It's hard to know specifics on what players HOU and CHC want, but at this point, I'd give Bello & DHam for Paredes or Hoerner (and maybe a prospect added.) Initially, I felt HOU should add King, Sousa, Janek or maybe even B Abreu with Paredes, but I'd take a decent prospect, instead. I'm not sure either team wants Bello that badly. Hoerner has just one year left, so it seems like a good deal for them, too. (Paredes has 2 years.)

Shaw may cost more due to his 4 years of control, but we could us a 4 year guy at 3B. If we can't make it happen with one of these three guys, I'm guessing it's Brez being stubborn. You gotta give to get and we need a big get.

[moonslav59]

14 hours ago, FredLynn said:

Yup

Cheap

23rd in percentage of revenue spent on salaries.

Cheap

2026 Salary (AAV) added from 2025, including '26 extensions and '26 re-signings:

$31M ($41M) Gray ($20M paid by STL)

$25M ($28M) Crochet (extension)

$18M ($21M) Contreras ($4M x 2 paid by STL)

$13M ($13M) Chapman (extension w option)

$7M ($26M) R Suarez (5 year deal)

$6M ($6M) I Kiner-Falefa

$3M ($16M) Anthony (8 yr extension)

$2M ($8M) Campbell (8 yr extension)

That's a total of $105M actual 2026 salary added (-$24M paid by STL= $80M+) That's also an astounding $159M AAV added! (minus $24M paid by STL= $135M added.)

You may not like how the money was spent or argue it was spread too thinly. You can argue we still lag behind where we should be on spending vs revenue, and have merit.

IMO, you should not say we "are not spending" or "Henry has been cheap over the last 2-3 year.) Since the massive Devers extension, we also extended Bello & Rafaela, signed 2 year deals with Gio & Sandoval, paid the highest AAV to a pitcher (Buehler) since the Sale extension and added a great closer for over $10M.

He has spent, Has it been enough? I'm okay with saying no, or saying we need more large and long deals to get the cream of the crop. I'm okay with saying drop the NTC crap. I'd say work the deferral angle for all it's worth, as long as we don't lose our prize target by doing so. I'd say get the team near the middle or top of the pack on spending vs revenue- for sure. But, I would not say JH is "cheap."

[FredLynn]

10 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I heard that, too, and I gotta think HOU and the CHC are still open for a deal, but maybe Brez is just refusing to "overpay" to get what we need.

It's hard to know specifics on what players HOU and CHC want, but at this point, I'd give Bello & DHam for Paredes or Hoerner (and maybe a prospect added.) Initially, I felt HOU should add King, Sousa, Janek or maybe even B Abreu with Paredes, but I'd take a decent prospect, instead. I'm not sure either team wants Bello that badly. Hoerner has just one year left, so it seems like a good deal for them, too. (Paredes has 2 years.)

Shaw may cost more due to his 4 years of control, but we could us a 4 year guy at 3B. If we can't make it happen with one of these three guys, I'm guessing it's Brez being stubborn. You gotta give to get and we need a big get.

 

9 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

2026 Salary (AAV) added from 2025, including '26 extensions and '26 re-signings:

$31M ($41M) Gray ($20M paid by STL)

$25M ($28M) Crochet (extension)

$18M ($21M) Contreras ($4M x 2 paid by STL)

$13M ($13M) Chapman (extension w option)

$7M ($26M) R Suarez (5 year deal)

$6M ($6M) I Kiner-Falefa

$3M ($16M) Anthony (8 yr extension)

$2M ($8M) Campbell (8 yr extension)

That's a total of $105M actual 2026 salary added (-$24M paid by STL= $80M+) That's also an astounding $159M AAV added! (minus $24M paid by STL= $135M added.)

You may not like how the money was spent or argue it was spread too thinly. You can argue we still lag behind where we should be on spending vs revenue, and have merit.

IMO, you should not say we "are not spending" or "Henry has been cheap over the last 2-3 year.) Since the massive Devers extension, we also extended Bello & Rafaela, signed 2 year deals with Gio & Sandoval, paid the highest AAV to a pitcher (Buehler) since the Sale extension and added a great closer for over $10M.

He has spent, Has it been enough? I'm okay with saying no, or saying we need more large and long deals to get the cream of the crop. I'm okay with saying drop the NTC crap. I'd say work the deferral angle for all it's worth, as long as we don't lose our prize target by doing so. I'd say get the team near the middle or top of the pack on spending vs revenue- for sure. But, I would not say JH is "cheap."

No. Its not enough because they are still (roughly) 23rd in percentage of revenue spent on salaries. You yourself said you wish he would spend more. In addition, historically, it has not been spent wisely enough, which is a separate issue.

[harmony]

23 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I heard that, too, and I gotta think HOU and the CHC are still open for a deal, but maybe Brez is just refusing to "overpay" to get what we need.

It's hard to know specifics on what players HOU and CHC want ...

Shaw may cost more due to his 4 years of control, but we could us a 4 year guy at 3B. If we can't make it happen with one of these three guys, I'm guessing it's Brez being stubborn. You gotta give to get and we need a big get.

Matt Shaw is listed with only 162 days of MLB service, giving him six years of team control (and almost certain Super Two status after 2027).

[FredLynn]

22 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

2026 Salary (AAV) added from 2025, including '26 extensions and '26 re-signings:

$31M ($41M) Gray ($20M paid by STL)

$25M ($28M) Crochet (extension)

$18M ($21M) Contreras ($4M x 2 paid by STL)

$13M ($13M) Chapman (extension w option)

$7M ($26M) R Suarez (5 year deal)

$6M ($6M) I Kiner-Falefa

$3M ($16M) Anthony (8 yr extension)

$2M ($8M) Campbell (8 yr extension)

That's a total of $105M actual 2026 salary added (-$24M paid by STL= $80M+) That's also an astounding $159M AAV added! (minus $24M paid by STL= $135M added.)

You may not like how the money was spent or argue it was spread too thinly. You can argue we still lag behind where we should be on spending vs revenue, and have merit.

IMO, you should not say we "are not spending" or "Henry has been cheap over the last 2-3 year.) Since the massive Devers extension, we also extended Bello & Rafaela, signed 2 year deals with Gio & Sandoval, paid the highest AAV to a pitcher (Buehler) since the Sale extension and added a great closer for over $10M.

He has spent, Has it been enough? I'm okay with saying no, or saying we need more large and long deals to get the cream of the crop. I'm okay with saying drop the NTC crap. I'd say work the deferral angle for all it's worth, as long as we don't lose our prize target by doing so. I'd say get the team near the middle or top of the pack on spending vs revenue- for sure. But, I would not say JH is "cheap."

Just a quick unrelated FYI: I have been unable to post with any regularity here because there is some sort of software issue that Brock is going to (hopefully) address over the next few days. I get locked out, depriving everyone here of my "wisdom" (kidding, of course). If I disappear from here that is the reason.

[moonslav59]

18 hours ago, FredLynn said:

 

No. Its not enough because they are still (roughly) 23rd in percentage of revenue spent on salaries. You yourself said you wish he would spend more. In addition, historically, it has not been spent wisely enough, which is a separate issue.

Maybe we're roughly 23rd or roughly middle of the pack. That point does have merit, but it's not the be-all-end-all point.

Yes, I said I wish he would spend more, but that is far from agreeing that he is "cheap."

He has gone "cheap" at various times in the 2+ decades under his watch, and the one from about 2019 to the Devers extension was the longest and most extreme, but "is" means now.

He's been spending more and more, recently. To me, this winter is more about how we spent, and some of that is on JH- maybe the NTC, demands for deferments and the limit on large and long type deals, but Brez was the one who chose to spend way more on pitching than the big bat and 2B/3Bman most of us thought were part of our top 3 winter needs. Had we signed Bregman and not traded for Gray & signed I K-F, we'd still be under the third tax line. Our roster would be more balanced.

Yes, we lost a lot of salary from 2025, including from the mid season trade of Devers, and when you add up all the extensions, re-signings and additions from this winter, the increase in spending seems like it's not enough. I don't disagree. I just wouldn''t call it "being cheap."

We are seeing some major shifts in philosophies on spending, extensions and roster building. To me, most look good good or promising. Some are still troubling, but IMO, the team's trajectory is un the upswing. It has been since Brez took over. I think we both wish the upswing would be sharper and more targeted, but it has been and looks to be getting better.

We really only have one major under-water contrat on the books, and that's on Bloom. It has 2 years to go. Nobody else looks grossly overpaid, and we have most of our key players locked up for 3-8 more years. That's not easy to do, and it's not common. It took planning and more good choices than bad, but you focus 99% on the bad.

[moonslav59]

5 hours ago, harmony said:

Matt Shaw is listed with only 162 days of MLB service, giving him six years of team control (and almost certain Super Two status after 2027).

Thanks for the correction. That does increase his value. (BTV has 5 yrs.)

[moonslav59]

How about Valera, Sandoval (money balancer) & DHam for Paredes?

Of course, HOU would have to really like Valera to get to a yes.

[FredLynn]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Maybe we're roughly 23rd or roughly middle of the pack. That point does have merit, but it's not the be-all-end-all point.

Yes, I said I wish he would spend more, but that is far from agreeing that he is "cheap."

He has gone "cheap" at various times in the 2+ decades under his watch, and the one from about 2019 to the Devers extension was the longest and most extreme, but "is" means now.

He's been spending more and more, recently. To me, this winter is more about how we spent, and some of that is on JH- maybe the NTC, demands for deferments and the limit on large and long type deals, but Brez was the one who chose to spend way more on pitching than the big bat and 2B/3Bman most of us thought were part of our top 3 winter needs. Had we signed Bregman and not traded for Gray & signed I K-F, we'd still be under the third tax line. Our roster would be more balanced.

Yes, we lost a lot of salary from 2025, including from the mid season trade of Devers, and when you add up all the extensions, re-signings and additions from this winter, the increase in spending seems like it's not enough. I don't disagree. I just wouldn''t call it "being cheap."

We are seeing some major shifts in philosophies on spending, extensions and roster building. To me, most look good good or promising. Some are still troubling, but IMO, the team's trajectory is un the upswing. It has been since Brez took over. I think we both wish the upswing would be sharper and more targeted, but it has been and looks to be getting better.

We really only have one major under-water contrat on the books, and that's on Bloom. It has 2 years to go. Nobody else looks grossly overpaid, and we have most of our key players locked up for 3-8 more years. That's not easy to do, and it's not common. It took planning and more good choices than bad, but you focus 99% on the bad.

When you have the resources to spend to make the team a factor in the hunt for a ring-and you are well below average in  spending those resources on player salaries, thats being a cheapskate.

[notin]

5 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

How about Valera, Sandoval (money balancer) & DHam for Paredes?

Of course, HOU would have to really like Valera to get to a yes.

If Bello is too expensive, Sandoval is off limits…

[notin]

On 2/7/2026 at 10:24 AM, moonslav59 said:

We do have quite a few players that could take a step up on offense (Anthony, Abreu, Mayer, Campbell, Rafaela & Narvaez) or just repeat what they did 2 years ago (Duran, Contreras, Casas & Wong.) Maybe Story, Romy and Masa give us a decent season. We might not need everyone to step up, and it's unlike they all do, but if a handful do, and the others don't all regress on us, maybe we can cobble together an offense that ranks near 10th or 11th. That could be "enough."

Limiting black holes and timely hitting are always the big worries. Last year, we had fewer black holes than most of the best teams in MLB, but we also had fewer big bats. We lost 4 of our top 6 OPS guys from a 2025 team that was already not all that great on offense. We added Contreras, I K-F and expect some rookies and 2nd year men to take up the slack. That's a BIG ASK.

The exaggeration anout the Sox offense has gone beyond hyperbolic.  No one expects them to be top three, but having even a top ten offense shouldn’t be a deathnail.  Except on here where having only the eighth best offense in MLB means “barely competitive enough for the Midland League”, which is CMass high school for you non-New Englanders.

 

I never expect to see this lineup, but the Sox could put together the following

C: Contreras

1b: Casas

2b: Rafaela

3b: Mayer

SS: Story

LF: Anthony

CF: Duran

RF: Abreu

DH: Yoshida

All those players are on the Sox and familiar with those positions, with Mayer having the least experience at his position.  Again, that specific arrangement is very improbable.  But on any given night at least 7 of those names will be playing (assuming all are healthy).

However you arrange them, it’s not a horrible batting order. In fact, it might even be “above average” <gasp>
 

It’s also probably not done.  A year ago today, the Sox hadn’t signed Bregman yet.  Trevor Story didn’t come on board until March 23. 

[notin]

5 hours ago, FredLynn said:

When you have the resources to spend to make the team a factor in the hunt for a ring-and you are well below average in  spending those resources on player salaries, thats being a cheapskate.

Can you provide actual details?

We get they’re “23rd in revenue spent on the roster”, but what does that mean?  Cash value or percentage?  And how tight is the range?
 

 Like if we find out the Sox are 23rd because they spend 10% on their roster, but if they spent 12%, they’d rank 5th, I’m going to use ChatGPT’s evil twin sight SlapGPT to deliver a CYBER-knuckle sandwich via e-mail (not a real threat)…

[Randy Red Sox]

On 2/6/2026 at 5:13 AM, Hugh2 said:

I think if you acquire Paredes you gotta bring that grade up to an A-

Sure, I can see a B for the offense alone, but they aced the pitching staff this offseason. 

They drastically improved their defense at 1B and Contreras is an offensive weapon (albeit, not Schwarber) and IKF drastically improves the defense as a backup SS/2B/3B player.  

But if he's your starting 2B the offense has the capacity to look very ugly.  If more goes wrong than right you're easily a bottom 1/3 for runs scored in all of MLB. 

after signing IKF and Rogers why would we trade an asset for Pareded especially after giving 6 million for IKF

[Randy Red Sox]

7 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Maybe we're roughly 23rd or roughly middle of the pack. That point does have merit, but it's not the be-all-end-all point.

Yes, I said I wish he would spend more, but that is far from agreeing that he is "cheap."

He has gone "cheap" at various times in the 2+ decades under his watch, and the one from about 2019 to the Devers extension was the longest and most extreme, but "is" means now.

He's been spending more and more, recently. To me, this winter is more about how we spent, and some of that is on JH- maybe the NTC, demands for deferments and the limit on large and long type deals, but Brez was the one who chose to spend way more on pitching than the big bat and 2B/3Bman most of us thought were part of our top 3 winter needs. Had we signed Bregman and not traded for Gray & signed I K-F, we'd still be under the third tax line. Our roster would be more balanced.

Yes, we lost a lot of salary from 2025, including from the mid season trade of Devers, and when you add up all the extensions, re-signings and additions from this winter, the increase in spending seems like it's not enough. I don't disagree. I just wouldn''t call it "being cheap."

We are seeing some major shifts in philosophies on spending, extensions and roster building. To me, most look good good or promising. Some are still troubling, but IMO, the team's trajectory is un the upswing. It has been since Brez took over. I think we both wish the upswing would be sharper and more targeted, but it has been and looks to be getting better.

We really only have one major under-water contrat on the books, and that's on Bloom. It has 2 years to go. Nobody else looks grossly overpaid, and we have most of our key players locked up for 3-8 more years. That's not easy to do, and it's not common. It took planning and more good choices than bad, but you focus 99% on the bad.

You are overlooking all the poor 1 year deals simply because they are only 1 yr deals but they all add up with IKF at 6 million being the most recent of a string of bad 1 yr deals. Breslow has also made some bad FA 2 yr signings on SP who are not able to pitch the first year of the deal. This is all WASTED money but it keeps the payroll up leading guys like you to say JH is not being cheap. Actually he is.

[moonslav59]

23 minutes ago, notin said:

Can you provide actual details?

We get they’re “23rd in revenue spent on the roster”, but what does that mean?  Cash value or percentage?  And how tight is the range?
 

 Like if we find out the Sox are 23rd because they spend 10% on their roster, but if they spent 12%, they’d rank 5th, I’m going to use ChatGPT’s evil twin sight SlapGPT to deliver a CYBER-knuckle sandwich via e-mail (not a real threat)…

It was 23rd 1-2 years ago. Something like Total revenue/spending. I guess it has some meaning but why the most is beyond me.

I doubt it's even 20, now

[moonslav59]

13 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

You are overlooking all the poor 1 year deals simply because they are only 1 yr deals but they all add up with IKF at 6 million being the most recent of a string of bad 1 yr deals. Breslow has also made some bad FA 2 yr signings on SP who are not able to pitch the first year of the deal. This is all WASTED money but it keeps the payroll up leading guys like you to say JH is not being cheap. Actually he is.

There has been less one year deals than with Bloom, and yes, many have sucked- even the biggest one- Buehler.

I may have not mentioned it in the last post, but I have not ignored that trend. I've been highly critical of it.

I did mention JH's aversion to large and long deals, which is highlighting a focus on 1-2 year deals. Some have not been "cheap," but you don't get the cream of the crop on 1-2 year deals.

[Randy Red Sox]

Just now, Randy Red Sox said:

You are overlooking all the poor 1 year deals simply because they are only 1 yr deals but they all add up with IKF at 6 million being the most recent of a string of bad 1 yr deals. Breslow has also made some bad FA 2 yr signings on SP who are not able to pitch the first year of the deal. This is all WASTED money but it keeps the payroll up leading guys like you to say JH is not being cheap. Actually he is.

If you want some examples of the bad 1 yr deals I speak of here are just a few.   Walker Buehler, Alex Bregman [ certainly not worth 40 million},  i know i am missing several more as well as the P e signed for 2 years of which mostdidnt add any value.  But keep saying JH isn't being cheap. 

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

If you want some examples of the bad 1 yr deals I speak of here are just a few.   Walker Buehler, Alex Bregman [ certainly not worth 40 million},  i know i am missing several more as well as the P e signed for 2 years of which mostdidnt add any value.  But keep saying JH isn't being cheap. 

Richards $10M/1

Kike $10M/1

Kluber $10M/1

Buehler $21M/1

All the two year deals given to injured pitchers were more like 1 year deals: Paxton, Hendiks & Sandoval.

The Gio deal actually broke that mold, but then he got hurt year one, anyway.