Pirates (Oviedo) vs Red Sox (May): 8/30/25, 4:10pm

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Maxbialystock said:

I'm not convinced Mayer will continue to ride the sick list.  This wrist thing is a repeat because they didn't do surgery the first time.  I'm glad you reminded me he is our best choice next season  

I'm not sure if he'll be injured going forward, but it has to be a concern. It's not just the wrist injury that has forced missed time.

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

Since the trade deadline:

Dustin May: 5.76 ERA (includes today)

Joe Ryan: 5.06 ERA

 

The grass isn’t that much greener.  Especially considering Ryan wasn’t available for Tibbs…

Wonderful. So you are proposing that May is almost as good as Ryan. Face it: Breslow failed at the TD. That’s widely acknowledged.

[notin]

2 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Wonderful. So you are proposing that May is almost as good as Ryan. Face it: Breslow failed at the TD. That’s widely acknowledged.

Are you saying you would not be complaining about Ryan and his 5+ ERA?  And he probably would have cost Tolle plus.  
 

I’ll take May and Tolle over Ryan and his 5+ ERA…

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

Are you saying you would not be complaining about Ryan and his 5+ ERA?  And he probably would have cost Tolle plus.  
 

I’ll take May and Tolle over Ryan and his 5+ ERA…

Joe Ryan has an ERA of 3.22 to date, not 5+-just to correct you. And you have no idea what he would have cost. The bottom line is that Breslow failed to provide the team with what they needed. Everyone knows it.

[moonslav59]

33 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Joe Ryan has an ERA of 3.22 to date, not 5+-just to correct you. And you have no idea what he would have cost. The bottom line is that Breslow failed to provide the team with what they needed. Everyone knows it.

He said 5+ since the deadline- you know- the same sample size you use for Rafaela.

[FredLynn]

14 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He said 5+ since the deadline- you know- the same sample size you use for Rafaela.

I said for the season-you know, the same sample size you use for Rafaela.

[notin]

47 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Joe Ryan has an ERA of 3.22 to date, not 5+-just to correct you. And you have no idea what he would have cost. The bottom line is that Breslow failed to provide the team with what they needed. Everyone knows it.

I said since the trade deadline. You know, when he would have come to Boston.  His performances from April through July are of no use to Boston.

I don’t know what it would have cost, but much more than May.  It’s an incredibly safe bet names like Anthony, Tolle, and Mayer were on the Twins’ wish list…

[mvp 78]

55 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Joe Ryan has an ERA of 3.22 to date, not 5+-just to correct you. And you have no idea what he would have cost. The bottom line is that Breslow failed to provide the team with what they needed. Everyone knows it.

Trading for Ryan at the deadline doesn’t make sense. Trade for an expiring contract now and for Ryan this offseason.

[illinoisredsox]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

When did any team ever have a great 5th starter? 

But is it too much to ask for a mediocre one, a win some/lose some .500 kind of guy? 

ERod in 2018, and Bronson Arroyo in 2004 each had 2.6 WARs with ERAs hovering around 4.00. Rodriguez' was actually 3.82, while Bronson had a 4.03 in the ROID Era. Not great, but not bad...

Was ERod really the Sox #5 in 2018?  Guys like Pomeranz, Brian Johnson and Hector Velazquez combined for 34 or so starts and Eduardo was certainly better than those guys.  ERod went down with some injury in mid July (was that the ankle after which he never covered first again?) which I think influenced Dombrowski to get Eovaldi.  He was definitely #5 when he came back in September and had a pretty bad month.

Arroyo was definitely #5 in 2004.

 

[FredLynn]

42 minutes ago, notin said:

I said since the trade deadline. You know, when he would have come to Boston.  His performances from April through July are of no use to Boston.

I don’t know what it would have cost, but much more than May.  It’s an incredibly safe bet names like Anthony, Tolle, and Mayer were on the Twins’ wish list…

For the season Ryan was at 3.22. It’s very likely that he would have moved towards his largest season sample size rather than remain at 5+. Generally that’s what players do-they perform the way they have in the past and using the greatest number of games as a comparison you can reasonably expect a performance like their history tells us barring an obvious defect like Rafaela’s plate discipline. 

[FredLynn]

41 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Trading for Ryan at the deadline doesn’t make sense. Trade for an expiring contract now and for Ryan this offseason.

Great! Then wait on Ryan. Find someone else who can fill the needs of the team. The M&Ms aren’t it. We needed some help with 1B (Lowe was hitting what-.220?), and a good #2 SP. Breslow failed. For that he should be fired.

[iortiz]

2 hours ago, notin said:

Are you saying you would not be complaining about Ryan and his 5+ ERA?  And he probably would have cost Tolle plus.  
 

I’ll take May and Tolle over Ryan and his 5+ ERA…

Cmon nothin, putting in the same sentence May and Ryan is nonsense. You are way better than this. 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

I said for the season-you know, the same sample size you use for Rafaela.

Yes. I know, Ryan has sucked as long as Rafaela has, was my point

 

[iortiz]

2 hours ago, notin said:

Are you saying you would not be complaining about Ryan and his 5+ ERA?  And he probably would have cost Tolle plus.  
 

I’ll take May and Tolle over Ryan and his 5+ ERA…

Twins are a dysfunctional organization. I have no idea what Boston offered but shouldn’t have been be a little thing either. In fact reports said Boston was very “aggressive.” Now they got nothing and won’t sign him. They are stupid as hell. 

[FredLynn]

21 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes. I know, Ryan has sucked as long as Rafaela has, was my point

 

Apples and oranges. Ryan doesn't have a fatal defect that will affect his performance, probably for the rest of his career. Ryan is likely to be a very effective pitcher in his career. Rafaela is likely to continue to be unable to contribute in a positive way to a contending team from an offensive standpoint, something Ryan doesn't have to worry about. 

The bottom line is that Breslow failed the team, no matter what you think of Joe Ryan.

[FredLynn]

25 minutes ago, iortiz said:

Twins are a dysfunctional organization. I have no idea what Boston offered but shouldn’t have been be a little thing either. In fact reports said Boston was very “aggressive.” Now they got nothing and won’t sign him. They are stupid as hell. 

Its possible that the Twins were asking for the moon in which case Breslow did the right thing in not selling the farm to them. Of course no one knows what was offered, if anything. The Sox have a habit of LOW BALLING, to their detriment. I wasn't particularly attached to Ryan, but I did want a starting pitcher of substance that could help the club. Instead we got May, who sucks, and no help with the offense, which is struggling right now and really isn't very good.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

Great! Then wait on Ryan. Find someone else who can fill the needs of the team. The M&Ms aren’t it. We needed some help with 1B (Lowe was hitting what-.220?), and a good #2 SP. Breslow failed. For that he should be fired.

Every GM who ever lived should be fired.

(Actually, so far all of term have!)

[moonslav59]

50 minutes ago, iortiz said:

Twins are a dysfunctional organization. I have no idea what Boston offered but shouldn’t have been be a little thing either. In fact reports said Boston was very “aggressive.” Now they got nothing and won’t sign him. They are stupid as hell. 

"Sign him?" That would be stupid as hell. They get in trouble for signing a player under contract for 2 more years!

[moonslav59]

It just takes two days. Two freaking days!

Back to fire everybody!

[moonslav59]

27 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Apples and oranges. Ryan doesn't have a fatal defect that will affect his performance, probably for the rest of his career. Ryan is likely to be a very effective pitcher in his career. Rafaela is likely to continue to be unable to contribute in a positive way to a contending team from an offensive standpoint, something Ryan doesn't have to worry about. 

The bottom line is that Breslow failed the team, no matter what you think of Joe Ryan.

You don't get it.

notin would have loved for us to get Ryan. I was driving the Ryan bandwagon.

The point, was, had he gotten him, and he had a 5.00 ERA since the trade, you'd be calling him and idiot and saying we should fire him.

Sorry, but your last shred of cred is dead, Fred.

Maybe you should "fire" yourself.

 

[FredLynn]

17 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You don't get it.

notin would have loved for us to get Ryan. I was driving the Ryan bandwagon.

The point, was, had he gotten him, and he had a 5.00 ERA since the trade, you'd be calling him and idiot and saying we should fire him.

Sorry, but your last shred of cred is dead, Fred.

Maybe you should "fire" yourself.

 

Moon, with all the respect you’re due why on earth should I give a rats ass what you think of my “cred”. You just aren’t important enough to me to assign any value whatsoever to your opinion of my credibility yet this is the second time you have made that presumptuous comment. It’s irrelevant but if you want to keep saying it for your own benefit by all means have at it. To me it’s water off a duck. 
Now, regarding Ryan, you haven’t the foggiest idea how I would have reacted had we obtained Ryan and he didn’t perform. Here is what would have happened: if we got him and he didn’t perform I would still have congratulated Breslow on the effort. I would have said it’s the right thing for him to have done even though it didn’t work out. You know, an A for effort. As it turned out Breslow failed at the TD. That’s widely accepted. 
And for that he should be fired at the end of the season.

[Duran Is The Man]

5 hours ago, Nineintime said:

He’s washed and has been.   Buehler and now May.  I’m guessing the Dodgers have pictures on Breslow 

the Dodgers get the best of the Sox every time they do a deal. every time.

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Moon, with all the respect you’re due why on earth should I give a rats ass what you think of my “cred”. You just aren’t important enough to me to assign any value whatsoever to your opinion of my credibility yet this is the second time you have made that presumptuous comment. It’s irrelevant but if you want to keep saying it for your own benefit by all means have at it. To me it’s water off a duck. 
Now, regarding Ryan, you haven’t the foggiest idea how I would have reacted had we obtained Ryan and he didn’t perform. Here is what would have happened: if we got him and he didn’t perform I would still have congratulated Breslow on the effort. I would have said it’s the right thing for him to have done even though it didn’t work out. You know, an A for effort. As it turned out Breslow failed at the TD. That’s widely accepted. 
And for that he should be fired at the end of the season.

I didn't assume you give a rats ass what I think, although you seemed to care when I pointed out that you were right about us being flops year after year.

I may be wrong, but you say everyone sucks who plays poorly for a couple weeks to a month, so I'm not out on a limb to think you'd be blasting Brez, if Ryan was struggling as a Sox addition. If I was wrong, I'd admit it, too. I seriously doubt I would have been.

Anyway, you missed the point of the whole Ryan comment, anyway. 

It may be widely accepted by some, that Brez failed at the deadline, but not on the fire Brez point. No GM does everything right. While I wanted Brez to get Ryan, his failure to do so doesn't come close to a firing him. You act like we're 10 games behind the WC and have been acting like it all season long.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

the Dodgers get the best of the Sox every time they do a deal. every time.

You mean they don't want Wong back?

LOL

[Duran Is The Man]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You mean they don't want Wong back?

LOL

every time, Moon. every time. Henry should just make it policy to never trade with the Dodgers because their front office is far too smart for his.

[moonslav59]

Just now, Duran Is The Man said:

every time, Moon. every time. Henry should just make it policy to never trade with the Dodgers because their front office is far too smart for his.

Even Brasier burger helped the Dodgers.

[FredLynn]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

I didn't assume you give a rats ass what I think, although you seemed to care when I pointed out that you were right about us being flops year after year.

I may be wrong, but you say everyone sucks who plays poorly for a couple weeks to a month, so I'm not out on a limb to think you'd be blasting Brez, if Ryan was struggling as a Sox addition. If I was wrong, I'd admit it, too. I seriously doubt I would have been.

Anyway, you missed the point of the whole Ryan comment, anyway. 

It may be widely accepted by some, that Brez failed at the deadline, but not on the fire Brez point. No GM does everything right. While I wanted Brez to get Ryan, his failure to do so doesn't come close to a firing him. You act like we're 10 games behind the WC and have been acting like it all season long.

The team is better overall than they were the previous several years but they could have been even better had Breslow done his job. If he had obtained a good #2 SP and a 1B man with power we likely would have been in for a deep run in the playoffs. As it stands I doubt we will even make it out of the WC because we can’t score runs. It’s Breslows JOB to create a winning team. He failed. 
You know what happens when you don’t perform at your job?

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Duran Is The Man said:

every time, Moon. every time. Henry should just make it policy to never trade with the Dodgers because their front office is far too smart for his.

Price sucked, but they threw in a kid named Betts on that one.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

every time, Moon. every time. Henry should just make it policy to never trade with the Dodgers because their front office is far too smart for his.

I still think the Dodger dump trade of Crawford, Beckett and AGon was one of the top 10 Sox trades of all time, and maybe the best alltime trade ever made where the winning team got nothing in return.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

The team is better overall than they were the previous several years but they could have been even better had Breslow done his job. If he had obtained a good #2 SP and a 1B man with power we likely would have been in for a deep run in the playoffs. As it stands I doubt we will even make it out of the WC because we can’t score runs. It’s Breslows JOB to create a winning team. He failed. 
You know what happens when you don’t perform at your job?

Last time I checked, we are a winning team.

The team is way better. It's not even close. It's a "widely accepted fact."

If I made my company way better, I'd get a bonus not a firing.