Yankees (Rodon) vs Red Sox (Dobbins): 6/14/25, 7:15pm

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

2 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

My friends call me Splendid.

Btw, I call Devers Mrs September because he misses a lot of pitches in that month.

[illinoisredsox]

30 minutes ago, Tedballgame said:

Chapman can't get one out?

Maybe not.  Fans never realize Cora et al have information on the availability of players that they don’t.  More than likely Chapman told Cora he wasn’t available.
 

We don’t have to like it, but I’m pretty sure if Chapman was available, he’d have been used.

[moonslav59]

That was a long struggle to get back to .500.

[Larry Cook]

234 games later and we are still a .500 team! 

[moonslav59]

43 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

234 games later and we are still a .500 team! 

A longer struggle than I had in mind!

LOL!

Hey, we made it!

We are down 1 in the WC race to two teams at 35-33 for that 6th slot. TOR & TBR are 3 up on us.

[moonslav59]

It's nice to see us help DET pass NYY for the best AL record.

[Duran Is The Man]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Wilson has sure proved me wrong. (Chapman, too.)

i like that Cora finally left him for more than 4 pitches and 1/3 of an inning for once. so often, he wastes him for one batter.

[Larry Cook]

Some of Cora’s decisions are baffling. Bringing in Kelly or guerrero or stock when the game is not out of reach????   
we really need two more quality relievers for our bullpen!!!  
 

[jdc69]

Great win, why didn't Cora allow Dobbins to stay in longer? He doesnt trust a pitcher pitching a shutout? No bueno.

[cp176]

4 hours ago, jdc69 said:

Great win, why didn't Cora allow Dobbins to stay in longer? He doesnt trust a pitcher pitching a shutout? No bueno.

I’ve been saying this for sometime now.  He’s got the potential to be special.  Big, strong, young, multi pitch strike thrower.  Let him pitch.  Cora’s decisions in general confuse me.  Whether it’s leaving someone in too long or taking someone out too soon.  

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

6 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

It's nice to see us help DET pass NYY for the best AL record.

Hard to tell if Boston will stay in the wild card race all summer, but nobody else in the entire league looks all that good, either. Yankees may be the most unbalanced first place team in recent memory: one superhuman slugger and a few good pitchers. 

Hanging around the Red Sox so much lately is even rubbing off, like when the Martian froze on the basepaths and ended a rally.

Worth noting the Sox' winning streak has been led by starting pitching... as every club with a good team ERA is currently playoff-bound, either leading a division or in prime position for a wild card. 

[Thunder]

What a fun weekend series! We’re starting to play cleaner baseball paired with some pitching, and we’re finally getting some 1 run games in the W column!

 

I am checking this morning from the airport. I am on my way to Seattle and San Francisco. 6 games in 7 days in two beautiful cities! You know I’ll bring the good in person mojo to keep this train chugging along!

[moonslav59]

11 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i like that Cora finally left him for more than 4 pitches and 1/3 of an inning for once. so often, he wastes him for one batter.

Maybe he felt he was pushing his luck. Wilson was very successful for 1 or 2 batters.

BTW, Wilson has pitched 1 or more innings in 17 of 29 appearnces.and 5 of his last 7, so the "finally" word doesn't really fit. He's gone over 1 IP in 3 of his last 15 games.

[harmony]

1 hour ago, Thunder said:

What a fun weekend series! We’re starting to play cleaner baseball paired with some pitching, and we’re finally getting some 1 run games in the W column!

 

I am checking this morning from the airport. I am on my way to Seattle and San Francisco. 6 games in 7 days in two beautiful cities! You know I’ll bring the good in person mojo to keep this train chugging along!

This Mariner fan will see the Red Sox on Wednesday in Seattle and next Sunday in San Francisco.

My attendance tends to assure a Red Sox win.☹️

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Hard to tell if Boston will stay in the wild card race all summer, but nobody else in the entire league looks all that good, either. Yankees may be the most unbalanced first place team in recent memory: one superhuman slugger and a few good pitchers. 

I'm fully prepared to admit I was wrong about the Yankees not being much better than the rest of the AL, but I agree. They look very unbalanced. Hell, they looked unbalanced, to me last year, even with Sosa.

I felt losing Sosa and Cole would be too much to overcome. Let's see how the dog days of summer affects this Yankee team.

[Bellhorn04]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Maybe he felt he was pushing his luck. Wilson was very successful for 1 or 2 batters.

BTW, Wilson has pitched 1 or more innings in 17 of 29 appearnces.and 5 of his last 7, so the "finally" word doesn't really fit. He's gone over 1 IP in 3 of his last 15 games.

Plus those one batter outings make sense from a strategic viewpoint.  The one batter would be a lefty and the last out of an inning.  And only throwing 5 pitches or whatever means he'll be available for more outings. 

[Bellhorn04]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm fully prepared to admit I was wrong about the Yankees not being much better than the rest of the AL, but I agree. They look very unbalanced. Hell, they looked unbalanced, to me last year, even with Sosa.

I felt losing Sosa and Cole would be too much to overcome. Let's see how the dog days of summer affects this Yankee team.

Position player fWARs:

NY has 7 at 1.3 or higher 5.9/1.8/1.7/1.6/1.6/1.4/1.3

Bos has 6 at 1.2 or higher 2.5/2.4/1.9/1.7/1.2/1.2

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Plus those one batter outings make sense from a strategic viewpoint.  The one batter would be a lefty and the last out of an inning.  And only throwing 5 pitches or whatever means he'll be available for more outings. 

Agreed, plus no warm up pitches to start the next inning.

[Duran Is The Man]

21 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Maybe he felt he was pushing his luck. Wilson was very successful for 1 or 2 batters.

BTW, Wilson has pitched 1 or more innings in 17 of 29 appearnces.and 5 of his last 7, so the "finally" word doesn't really fit. He's gone over 1 IP in 3 of his last 15 games.

over 1 IP in 3 of his last 15 games isn't that much. that means in 12 of his last 15 games, he was burned for one or two batters.

[Duran Is The Man]

12 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Plus those one batter outings make sense from a strategic viewpoint.  The one batter would be a lefty and the last out of an inning.  And only throwing 5 pitches or whatever means he'll be available for more outings. 

at what point is he available the next day or not? less than 10 he's available the next day? where is the line?

 

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

over 1 IP in 3 of his last 15 games isn't that much.

Let's try this instead:

In 2024 he pitched 46.2 IP, which was his highest since 2018.

In 2025 he's pitched 24.0 IP, which puts him on pace for over 50.

He's not being underused in relation to his career history.

[Duran Is The Man]

4 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Let's try this instead:

In 2024 he pitched 46.2 IP, which was his highest since 2018.

In 2025 he's pitched 24.0 IP, which puts him on pace for over 50.

He's not being underused in relation to his career history.

i won't disagree with that. i wish he was used more. i hate seeing Cora burn him for 4 pitches and then bitch about how he doesn't have anyone available in the pen the next day.

furthemore, i just said that Cora "finally" used him for more than 1 inning and Moon said "finally" wasn't an apt description. he then pointed out that he had only been used for more than 1 inning in 3 of his last 12 appearances, thereby proving my point.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Position player fWARs:

NY has 7 at 1.3 or higher 5.9/1.8/1.7/1.6/1.6/1.4/1.3

Bos has 6 at 1.2 or higher 2.5/2.4/1.9/1.7/1.2/1.2

Yes, I noticed that a while ago. I was talking about how I felt before the season started.

Goldschmidt at 1.6 is more than double where I thought he'd be. He was at 1.1 in 154 games in 2024.

Austin Wells had a real good season in '24 (3.4,) so 1.7 should not be surprising, but I wasn't so sure he'd be on pace to improve on '24, as he is now.

Grisham is on pace for over 3, and his career high was 2.5 back in '21. I'm not the only one surprised by his 1.4. (He was at 1.8 and 1.7 the last 2 seasons, so he's not blowing that away and already has more PAs than '24.)

Chisholm and Bellinger were somewhat speculative, as was Volpe, but none are surprisingly higher than expectations.

Judge is Judge plus.

On the Sox vs expectations:

Story: I may not have expected 1.2 or 1.3, but I would have expected more than 0.2, if I'd known he'd play 68 games and have 282 PAs in mid June.

Wong: Regression was expected and Narvaez more than took up the slack as a much better than expected player.

DHam: I did not expect him to repeat 1.7, but with more PAs, I thought 1.3 was in range, or that Campbell or Mayer could be at 1.3, if they played FT to mid June. Once again, 2B has been a mess.

Ref is at just 0.8, because he doesn't play enough. That's not a cop-out. He's not a 3+ fWAR guy over a full season. Period.

Toro+Romy are at 0.6 combined. They will not catch Goldy, but they are doing fine.

I'm more surprised by Yankee pitching, especially in light of Deveon Williams sucking up the place.

 

 

[moonslav59]

15 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

over 1 IP in 3 of his last 15 games isn't that much. that means in 12 of his last 15 games, he was burned for one or two batters.

No. Last 16 games:

1.1 or more 3 times

1.0 IP 7 times

less than 1.0: just 6 times (less than 38%)

Less than 1 IP in 2 of his last 8 games pitched (25%)

[Bellhorn04]

37 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

over 1 IP in 3 of his last 15 games isn't that much. that means in 12 of his last 15 games, he was burned for one or two batters.

There's some confusion here.  Over 1 IP is at least 4 batters.  1 IP is at least 3.  The majority of his appearances are 1 IP.   

[Duran Is The Man]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Maybe he felt he was pushing his luck. Wilson was very successful for 1 or 2 batters.

BTW, Wilson has pitched 1 or more innings in 17 of 29 appearnces.and 5 of his last 7, so the "finally" word doesn't really fit. He's gone over 1 IP in 3 of his last 15 games.

is it 15 or 16? either way, i think "finally" does fit.

[moonslav59]

Not all 0.1 IP and 0.2 IP are 1-2 batters.

Wilson since May 7th

1 IP/ 5 batters

0.2/ 4 batters

1.0/ 4 batters (over 2 seperate innings)

0.1/ 1 batter (rescued Bello to end the 5th inning)

1.0/ 4 batters (the day after the 1 batter game above)

1.0/ 5 batters (over 2 seperate innings)

0.2/ 3 batters (taken out after a BB)

0.1/ 4 batters (allowed 2 singles and a BB before being removed)

1.0/ 4 batters

1.1/ 4 batters (2 batters in 2 seperate innings)

0.1/ 1 batter (finished the 5th for Gio.)

1.0/ 3 batters (1-2-3)

1.0/ 6 batters (rough game vs Yanks)

1.0/ 4 batters (vs Yanks, the next day)

0.1/ 3 batters (yanked after a 1B and HBP)

1.1/ 4 batters (actually for 5 outs as a runner was caught stealing)

I'm not trying to nitpick you, but the word "finally more than 1-2 batters" is just not true. It's been over a month, and he's had 2 games of one batter and none with just 2.

This is not some new strategy by Cora. He's been using our second best RP'er more and more and more than before.

 

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

is it 15 or 16? either way, i think "finally" does fit.

You said, "so often, he wastes him for one batter." and said "finally" like he is just starting to use him for more than 1 batter.

That has happened 2 times in the last 16 games.

3-6 batters in 14 of the last 16 games.

[notin]

14 hours ago, illinoisredsox said:

Maybe not.  Fans never realize Cora et al have information on the availability of players that they don’t.  More than likely Chapman told Cora he wasn’t available.
 

We don’t have to like it, but I’m pretty sure if Chapman was available, he’d have been used.

It never ceases to amaze me how many fans think they know the health and status of the bullpen better than the managers.  Cora isn’t giving save opportunities to Weissert because he wants some sort of Socialist bullpen.   When another pitcher is getting a save chance, 100% of the time it is because Chapman is unavailable…

[Bellhorn04]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

It never ceases to amaze me how many fans think they know the health and status of the bullpen better than the managers.  Cora isn’t giving save opportunities to Weissert because he wants some sort of Socialist bullpen.   When another pitcher is getting a save chance, 100% of the time it is because Chapman is unavailable…

And I expect "availability" is largely determined by usage charts that are closely monitored from Day One to the final pitch of the season - taking into account all the various health or fatigue issues that pop up along the way.