A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part II

[moonslav59]

55 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Win this series and then beating up the NYY this weekend would go a long way to getting the Sox some good vibes. 

No doubt. I keep feeling like we are just about to make a move, then kaput.

[Larry Cook]

Matt synder (cbs) thinks the dodgers would be interested in Chapman!!!!

[dgalehouse]

If the Red Sox are sellers on June 3, it is time to rethink our loyalty.  This is far too early to give up the ship. What is wrong with these jokers ? 

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

If the Red Sox are sellers on June 3, it is time to rethink our loyalty.  This is far too early to give up the ship. What is wrong with these jokers ? 

I don't think the Sox are sellers today. I think it's just that time of year where guys are running out of story ideas and they wanted to get their trade deadline stuff out there. 

[Old Red]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't think the Sox are sellers today. I think it's just that time of year where guys are running out of story ideas and they wanted to get their trade deadline stuff out there. 

Of course the Red Sox are helping out floundering under 500.

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Of course the Red Sox are helping out floundering under 500.

They'd be sellers if they were at the O's win total (under .400). Right now they are playing it out to see if they are pretenders or contenders.  If they are at 46 - 52 going into the ASB (same win % as today) they should be selling Duran, Chapman, Wilson, Buehler, Bregman, Refsnyder and whatever bullpen pieces other teams will take. 

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They'd be sellers if they were at the O's win total (under .400). Right now they are playing it out to see if they are pretenders or contenders.  If they are at 46 - 52 going into the ASB (same win % as today) they should be selling Duran, Chapman, Wilson, Buehler, Bregman, Refsnyder and whatever bullpen pieces other teams will take. 

Hopefully they don’t get to the point that they have to have that big  of a selling spree. 

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Hopefully they don’t get to the point that they have to have that big  of a selling spree. 

It's a cruel summer

[Old Red]

The Red Sox are at the very top with strikeouts with MOB. The Red Sox are at the very top in errors, and it’s just not the IF. The OF has been making their share of errors too with boots, and bad throws all over the place. The Red Sox have been a Clown Show since the start of ST with the Raffy situation. and now Cora is completely broken, and shell shocked, and doesn’t know what to do next even asking if what he’s watching is real. The Red Sox are 5 games under 500' and closer to last place in the Division then they are first place their old home away from home.

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, Old Red said:

The Red Sox are at the very top with strikeouts with MOB. The Red Sox are at the very top in errors, and it’s just not the IF. The OF has been making their share of errors too with boots, and bad throws all over the place. The Red Sox have been a Clown Show since the start of ST with the Raffy situation. and now Cora is completely broken, and shell shocked, and doesn’t know what to do next even asking if what he’s watching is real. The Red Sox are 5 games under 500' and closer to last place in the Division then they are first place their old home away from home.

Well, if Raffy was at 3B, there'd be even more errors to go around, right? 

[Old Red]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Well, if Raffy was at 3B, there'd be even more errors to go around, right? 

Most likely, and 1B too if he played there.

[Bellhorn04]

15 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Well, if Raffy was at 3B, there'd be even more errors to go around, right? 

Removed Raffy, Story healthy, defense still terrible.  Can't find much comfort anywhere in these facts.    

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Most likely, and 1B too if he played there.

IDK, Casas wasn't exactly a GG winner over there either. 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Removed Raffy, Story healthy, defense still terrible.  Can't find much comfort anywhere in these facts.    

Story is awful defensively now. Needs to be moved off SS. Age has caught up to him. Just move him to 2b already. 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

If you go back to the first few pages of this thread, you will see how unrealistic the "realistic" thread actually is.

It just backs up that none of us really know what we are talking about. Lol

[Old Red]

9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Story is awful defensively now. Needs to be moved off SS. Age has caught up to him. Just move him to 2b already. 

I agree, but Cora said Story is not changing positions, and you already have I can play multiple positions KC there that is not good at one.

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Story is awful defensively now. Needs to be moved off SS. Age has caught up to him. Just move him to 2b already. 

Or move him to San Diego; they collect shortstops over there…

[notin]

58 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I agree, but Cora said Story is not changing positions, and you already have I can play multiple positions KC there that is not good at one.

Cora is clearly reluctant to move players who do not play their position well.  This goes back to Kike at shortstop…

[Hitch]

19 hours ago, dgalehouse said:

If the Red Sox are sellers on June 3, it is time to rethink our loyalty.  This is far too early to give up the ship. What is wrong with these jokers ? 

They're obviously not sellers right now though? Why people get angry over pointless hypotheticals is beyond me. 

If we continue on the same trajectory we've been on and are out of this thing in 4-6 weeks, we absolutely should (and will) be sellers. 

You'd hope that Buehler, Gio and Chapman (if they all pitch well and stay available) could bring back some pretty exciting returns. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see Bregman go either who could be one of the biggest pieces out there on the trade market if he comes back and hits as he was. Then there's Duran, that the rumours will not top swirling about. 

I think this team is cooked for this year. I don't seem them turning this around. Too inconsistent, too brittle, too much uncertainty and bad planning. I imagine we will see a busy sell off in a month or so. I'd much rather we didn't and were in the thing, but I'll be excited to see who we can bring in once/if we become utterly out of it.

[Maxbialystock]

19 hours ago, dgalehouse said:

If the Red Sox are sellers on June 3, it is time to rethink our loyalty.  This is far too early to give up the ship. What is wrong with these jokers ? 

I'm not saying you're wrong, but am saying the Sox situation this season is daunting with Yoshida and Story not earning their pay, ditto Giolito,

Since Bregman went on the IL for an estimated 2 months, the Sox are 3-8 in the 11 games since and have scored an average 2.45 runs per game. 

Campbell is struggling afield and at bat.  Duran is not yet last year's Duran.   I don't think Casas is missed (his WAR is -0.7 for the few games he played).  It's good to have Mayer up and at 3b, but he is struggling at the plate.  

While the pitching isn't terrible, it is inconsistent.  

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

19 hours ago, dgalehouse said:

If the Red Sox are sellers on June 3, it is time to rethink our loyalty.  This is far too early to give up the ship. What is wrong with these jokers ? 

As Yogi Berra once said, "It gets late early around here".

I think the question to you is, what exactly have the sox shown season to date that leads you to believe they will turn things around?

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

If you go back to the first few pages of this thread, you will see how unrealistic the "realistic" thread actually is.

It just backs up that none of us really know what we are talking about. Lol

This doesn't ever really need to be said out loud. We're all blind squirrels finding nuts here and there. 

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Maxbialystock said:

I'm not saying you're wrong, but am saying the Sox situation this season is daunting with Yoshida and Story not earning their pay, ditto Giolito,

Since Bregman went on the IL for an estimated 2 months, the Sox are 3-8 in the 11 games since and have scored an average 2.45 runs per game. 

Campbell is struggling afield and at bat.  Duran is not yet last year's Duran.   I don't think Casas is missed (his WAR is -0.7 for the few games he played).  It's good to have Mayer up and at 3b, but he is struggling at the plate.  

While the pitching isn't terrible, it is inconsistent.  

It's not Masa's fault he was sent to AAA. He was actually swinging the bat in ST and playing in games. He could have been on the Opening Day roster. 

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Or move him to San Diego; they collect shortstops over there…

Not going to happen unless the Sox make a horrible deal.

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It's not Masa's fault he was sent to AAA. He was actually swinging the bat in ST and playing in games. He could have been on the Opening Day roster. 

Looking back now would things be better today if the Red Sox had kept Raffy at 3B, put Bregman at 2B, and Masa as DH?

[mvp 78]

Cora wanted Breggie at 2b all along! They could have used Campbell as a UTIL if they still wanted. It's what they've done anyway. 

Saying "it'll all work itself out" is never a plan. Thanks Breslow. 🤏🍆✂️

[moonslav59]

As Cora pointed out, too many chances were handed to the Angel's, last night, and not all of them were called "errors."

It really looked like we improved the defense, over the winter and with Story still healthy in June, but it has not worked out, at all.

With Bregman out, we lost the one sure improved position, although he made 3-4 more errors than I expected in less than 2 months of play.

We can tinker with call-ups and position changes, but as of now, it doesn't seem like there are any in-house solutions that will make the difference needed to make a solid move towards making the playoffs. Game are not won on paper, and Brez is finding that out, firsthand.

I liked most of his winter moves, so I kinda feel I'd be hypocritical, if I berated him up and down.

I don't have any major issues with the way Cora runs the team, but it does seem like the minor ones are piling up, and his insistence on keeping established players at the positions they want to play or have played for a long time has moved into the major issue category, for me. I doubt firing or promoting him would make a difference.

These guys need to play the game like they know how and like they have in the past. It's on them. Hardly anyone is rising to the occasion, and I'm not sure that's all on the "lack of leadership" or stewardship. To many of our players are regressing, and some in multiple areas of their game (like Story & Duran.)

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Cora wanted Breggie at 2b all along! They could have used Campbell as a UTIL if they still wanted. It's what they've done anyway. 

Saying "it'll all work itself out" is never a plan. Thanks Breslow. 🤏🍆✂️

I agree.

[Bellhorn04]

This team looks to have to a good chance to end up worse than the 2022-2024 teams, and that part is a bit of a shock.

 

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Looking back now would things be better today if the Red Sox had kept Raffy at 3B, put Bregman at 2B, and Masa as DH?

Not even close, IMO. For one, Masa is the biggest question mark on the team, and I suppose in hindsight, since most of the other lesser questions have been answered in the negative, so far, we can speculate that Masa might have been a positive answer, but the guy isn't even playing. I can't imagine a bigger speculative reach than hoping he would have done anything plus.