A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part II

[Duran Is The Man]

3 hours ago, Hitch said:

Devers comments today on playing 3rd...

 

“I know I’m a ballplayer, but at the same time, they can’t expect me to play every single position out there,” Devers said through team translator Daveson Perez after a 5-0 win over the Rangers. “In spring training, they talked to me and basically told me to put away my glove, that I wasn’t going to play any other position but DH, so right now, I just feel like it’s not an appropriate decision by them to ask me to play another position.”

The 28-year-old said chief baseball officer Craig Breslow spoke with him following Casas’ injury and asked him to consider a move to first.

“I’m not certain what he has with me,” Devers said of Breslow. “He played ball (Breslow pitched in the majors for 12 seasons), and I would like to think that he knows that changing positions like that isn’t easy.

“They put me in this situation, and they told me that they didn’t want to allow me to play any other position,” Devers said. “Now, I think they should do their jobs, essentially, and hit the market and look for another player. I’m not sure why they want me to be in-between the way they have been.”

Asked if he was upset about the inquiry into change positions, Devers didn’t hold back.

“Yes, of course,” he said. “I don’t feel that they stayed true to their word. They told me that I was going to be playing this position, DH, and now they’re going back on that. So I just don’t think they stayed true to their word.”

Though Devers eventually changed his mind about being the DH, he doesn’t think he’ll have a similar change of heart about first base.

“I don’t think so,” he said. “They’ve told me I’m a little hard-headed. And they already asked me to change once, and this time, I don’t think I can be as flexible.”

While Devers’ refusal to play first may seem like he’s putting himself above the team and potentially threatening the team culture, he thinks, at least, he is on good terms with his teammates.

“Here in the clubhouse, thankfully, the relationship that I have with my teammates is great,” Devers said. “I don’t understand some of the decisions that the GM makes. Next thing you know someone in the outfield gets hurt and they want me to play in the outfield. I think I know the kind of player that I am, and that’s just where I stand.”

he's a selfish pig.

[vjcsmoke]

5 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Anthony Rizzo?

LMAO.

Yes. It really happened. I guess we were desperate.

I've read another rumor that we might be interested in Baltimore's Ryan O'Hearn.

He's having his best season yet at age 31. I guess he's a late bloomer? He will be a free agent at the end of the year. So we would be buying a rental. Shouldn't be too pricey considering there's no additional control and I could take him seriously as a 1st baseman replacement. He's currently ripping it for .955 OPS with 7 homeruns.

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, vjcsmoke said:

Yes. It really happened. I guess we were desperate.

I've read another rumor that we might be interested in Baltimore's Ryan O'Hearn.

He's having his best season yet at age 31. I guess he's a late bloomer? He will be a free agent at the end of the year. So we would be buying a rental. Shouldn't be too pricey considering there's no additional control and I could take him seriously as a 1st baseman replacement. He's currently ripping it for .955 OPS with 7 homeruns.

Sounds like a relatively inexpensive option.

BAL may wait, until they are farther out, as they are just 6 GB the last WC slot.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

Sounds like a relatively inexpensive option.

BAL may wait, until they are farther out, as they are just 6 GB the last WC slot.

Brez just needs to make an overpay offer to convince them: 

Yophory and a draft pick and a minor league arm to be named later...

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Brez just needs to make an overpay offer to convince them: 

Yophory and a draft pick and a minor league arm to be named later...

I was thinking maybe Mullins and Kelly.

[moonslav59]

MLB OPS Leaders at the 20% mark in the season:

1.241 Judge (almost 160 points ahead!)

1.085 Alonso (some here wanted him signed)

1.032 Ohtani (does this guy never slump?)

.989 Aranda (the Rays' 1Bman)

.988 Bregman (the notorious "slow starter.")

.977 Schwarber (cue the what if)

.959 Carroll (the man from AZ)

.950 Abreu (glad we didn't trade him)

35. Devers .834 (Didn't take long to "learn his new position")

 

Some top ERA Leaders:

1.05 Fried, 1.116 Senga, 1.48 Mahle, 1.67 H Brown

6. Yamamoto 1.80

7. Pivetta 2.01

8. Crochet 2.02

9. Nate 2.03

10. Luzardo 2.11

19. M Boyd 2.75

21. Imanaga 2.82

22. Lugo 2.84

28. Wacha 2.96

29. Sugano 3.00

35. Woo 3.25 & 37. Castillo 3.29

Near the bottom: Verlander 4.50, Nola 4.61, Cease 4.91 and....

2nd to last at 79: Houck 6.10

 

[notin]

12 hours ago, Hitch said:

Devers comments today on playing 3rd...

 

“I know I’m a ballplayer, but at the same time, they can’t expect me to play every single position out there,” Devers said through team translator Daveson Perez after a 5-0 win over the Rangers. “In spring training, they talked to me and basically told me to put away my glove, that I wasn’t going to play any other position but DH, so right now, I just feel like it’s not an appropriate decision by them to ask me to play another position.”

The 28-year-old said chief baseball officer Craig Breslow spoke with him following Casas’ injury and asked him to consider a move to first.

“I’m not certain what he has with me,” Devers said of Breslow. “He played ball (Breslow pitched in the majors for 12 seasons), and I would like to think that he knows that changing positions like that isn’t easy.

“They put me in this situation, and they told me that they didn’t want to allow me to play any other position,” Devers said. “Now, I think they should do their jobs, essentially, and hit the market and look for another player. I’m not sure why they want me to be in-between the way they have been.”

Asked if he was upset about the inquiry into change positions, Devers didn’t hold back.

“Yes, of course,” he said. “I don’t feel that they stayed true to their word. They told me that I was going to be playing this position, DH, and now they’re going back on that. So I just don’t think they stayed true to their word.”

Though Devers eventually changed his mind about being the DH, he doesn’t think he’ll have a similar change of heart about first base.

“I don’t think so,” he said. “They’ve told me I’m a little hard-headed. And they already asked me to change once, and this time, I don’t think I can be as flexible.”

While Devers’ refusal to play first may seem like he’s putting himself above the team and potentially threatening the team culture, he thinks, at least, he is on good terms with his teammates.

“Here in the clubhouse, thankfully, the relationship that I have with my teammates is great,” Devers said. “I don’t understand some of the decisions that the GM makes. Next thing you know someone in the outfield gets hurt and they want me to play in the outfield. I think I know the kind of player that I am, and that’s just where I stand.”

Gotta love the “they can’t expect me to play every position” hyperbole.  I don’t think that’s the case here.

While I sort of understand it, Devers needs to grasp eventually that as much as a lifetime of practice helped hit hitting, the fielding never caught up. No one wants him to play “every position”; they want to limit him to the least challenging ones defensively.  
 

And a move to 1b isnt even permanent.  It’s not like Casas died…

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

38 minutes ago, notin said:

Gotta love the “they can’t expect me to play every position” hyperbole.  I don’t think that’s the case here.

While I sort of understand it, Devers needs to grasp eventually that as much as a lifetime of practice helped hit hitting, the fielding never caught up. No one wants him to play “every position”; they want to limit him to the least challenging ones defensively.  
 

And a move to 1b isnt even permanent.  It’s not like Casas died…

The part that really gets me is when he said that the front office needs to "do their job and find a first baseman".

If I were the GM, that would be the final straw. He'd be on the first train outta town.

[moonslav59]

38 minutes ago, notin said:

And a move to 1b isnt even permanent.  It’s not like Casas died…

Indeed.

Even if Casas never plays for Boston, again, it doesn't mean Devers will be the permanent 1Bman. It's easier to find a plus 1Bman in the winter- not in early May. 

I was thinking- perhaps just hoping- Devers would want to play 1B over DH'ing, since he seemed to say he liked being on the field, when the opps were at bat. Who knows, maybe if he ends up playing there, he will like it. We may never find out.

In all likelihood, Devers was always destined to end up at DH by the end of his deal. It happened sooner than he expected, and sooner than maybe what Bloom & Co. promised or intended. Things change in life, and his defense at 3B was not improving. Somehow, he fooled himself into thinking he was a decent or good enough 3Bman on defense, but he wasn't, and that aspect of his game hurt the team. He was still always a big overall plus, but moving him to DH helped the team.

Now, moving him to 1B could help the team. Personally, despite me talking about Devers to 1B for a half a decade, I'd prefer Campbell at 1B to make way for Mayer, if Brez and Cora think Devers at 1B is the better solution, then that is what any good teammate should do.

Does Papi need to have a sitdown with Devers? I'm not sure Cora, alone can get him to agree to the idea. Maybe, Devers will eventually come around, but the team does not need this, right now, or ever.

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

The part that really gets me is when he said that the front office needs to "do their job and find a first baseman".

If I were the GM, that would be the final straw. He'd be on the first train outta town.

For 37-39 players on the roster, correctomundo. "Outta town" is not easy for a $300M man.

The best we could get is prospects, and that is not what this team needs.

[Hugh2]

55 minutes ago, notin said:

Gotta love the “they can’t expect me to play every position” hyperbole.  I don’t think that’s the case here.

While I sort of understand it, Devers needs to grasp eventually that as much as a lifetime of practice helped hit hitting, the fielding never caught up. No one wants him to play “every position”; they want to limit him to the least challenging ones defensively.  
 

And a move to 1b isnt even permanent.  It’s not like Casas died…

A move from 3B to 1B is very natural.  It's not like they're asking him to catch, pitch, or play CF.  He's just being difficult.  I defended Raffy this winter, and I still feel for him, but it's very disappointing he's unwilling to move. 

Maybe he holds a grudge against the F.O. but moving to 1B helps every single one of his teammates and is the best team right now. 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

For 37-39 players on the roster, correctomundo. "Outta town" is not easy for a $300M man.

The best we could get is prospects, and that is not what this team needs.

The team also doesn't need a "me-first" diva that is criticizing management.

And I think they may be able to get something other than prospects. There might be a team that thinks a change in scenery would boost his performance and trade a pitcher for him. IMO, the sox offense has performed better than it's pitching, so it could be just what the team needs.

[harmony]

7 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Indeed.

Even if Casas never plays for Boston, again, it doesn't mean Devers will be the permanent 1Bman. It's easier to find a plus 1Bman in the winter- not in early May. 

Impactful early-season acquisitions are rare, but not unheard of.

For the second straight season, before early June without trading away talent, Seattle acquired a one-time everyday center fielder for a World Series champion, Victor Robles with the 2019 Washington Nationals and Leody Taveras with the 2023 Texas Rangers.

Last June 4, at the prorated league minimum, the Mariners signed Robles, who had cleared waivers before posting a .328/.393/.467/.860 line with 30 stolen bases, an OPS+ of 155 and 3.1 bWAR in 77 games with Seattle. Robles is currently on the IL after signing a two-year, $9.75 extension with the Mariners.

Seattle on Tuesday claimed off outright waivers Taveras, who is five months younger than Robles was when the latter Dominican signed with the Mariners. The Taveras acquisition is more expensive than the initial Robles signing as the M's will assume the balance of Taveras' $4.75 million salary this year.

Compare the MLB career lines for Robles and Taveras before each joined the Mariners:

VR 530 G, 1,834 PA, .236/.311/.356/.667, 70 SB, 81 OPS+, 6.5 bWAR, 4.6 fWAR

LT 505 G, 1,825 PA, .240/.291/.370/.661, 72 SB, 85 OPS+, 5.0 bWAR, 5.0 fWAR

In his Mariner debut on Wednesday, Taveras drove in the tying run, stole a base and scored the winning run as the first-place 22-14 M's overcame a 5-0 deficit in a 6-5 win over the Athletics.

The chances of Seattle catching lightning in a bottle twice are slim, but it's fun to speculate. With an early-season acquistion, the Red Sox could be as fortunate as the Mariners were with Robles.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

34 minutes ago, harmony said:

Impactful early-season acquisitions are rare, but not unheard of.

For the second straight season, before early June without trading away talent, Seattle acquired a former everyday center fielder for a World Series champion, Victor Robles with the 2019 Washington Nationals and Leody Taveras with the 2023 Texas Rangers.

Last June 4, at the prorated league minimum, the Mariners signed Robles, who had cleared waivers before posting a .328/.393/.467/.860 line with 30 stolen bases, an OPS+ of 155 and 3.1 bWAR in 77 games with Seattle. Robles is currently on the IL after signing a two-year, $9.75 extension with the Mariners.

Seattle on Tuesday claimed off outright waivers Taveras, who is five months younger than Robles was when the latter Dominican signed with the Mariners. The Taveras acquisition is more expensive than the Robles signing as the M's will assume the balance of Taveras' $4.75 million salary this year.

Compare the career lines for Robles and Taveras before each joined the Mariners:

VR 530 G, 1,834 PA, .236/.311/.356/.667, 70 SB, 81 OPS+, 6.5 bWAR, 4.6 fWAR

LT 505 G, 1,825 PA, .240/.291/.370/.661, 72 SB, 85 OPS+, 5.0 bWAR, 5.0 fWAR

In his Mariner debut on Wednesday, Taveras drove in the tying run, stole a base and scored the winning run as the first-place 22-14 M's overcame a 5-0 deficit in a 6-5 win over the Athletics.

The chances of Seattle catching lightning in a bottle twice are slim, but it's fun to speculate. With an early-season acquistion, the Red Sox could be as fortunate as the Mariners were with Robles.

A trade with the NY Mets can help the Red Sox with their Rafael Devers drama dilemma

[moonslav59]

33 minutes ago, harmony said:

Impactful early-season acquisitions are rare, but not unheard of.

For the second straight season, before early June without trading away talent, Seattle acquired a former everyday center fielder for a World Series champion, Victor Robles with the 2019 Washington Nationals and Leody Taveras with the 2023 Texas Rangers.

Last June 4, at the prorated league minimum, the Mariners signed Robles, who had cleared waivers before posting a .328/.393/.467/.860 line with 30 stolen bases, an OPS+ of 155 and 3.1 bWAR in 77 games with Seattle. Robles is currently on the IL after signing a two-year, $9.75 extension with the Mariners.

Seattle on Tuesday claimed off outright waivers Taveras, who is five months younger than Robles was when the latter Dominican signed with the Mariners. The Taveras acquisition is more expensive than the Robles signing as the M's will assume the balance of Taveras' $4.75 million salary this year.

Compare the career lines for Robles and Taveras before each joined the Mariners:

VR 530 G, 1,834 PA, .236/.311/.356/.667, 70 SB, 81 OPS+, 6.5 bWAR, 4.6 fWAR

LT 505 G, 1,825 PA, .240/.291/.370/.661, 72 SB, 85 OPS+, 5.0 bWAR, 5.0 fWAR

In his Mariner debut on Wednesday, Taveras drove in the tying run, stole a base and scored the winning run as the first-place 22-14 M's overcame a 5-0 deficit in a 6-5 win over the Athletics.

The chances of Seattle catching lightning in a bottle twice are slim, but it's fun to speculate. With an early-season acquistion, the Red Sox could be as fortunate as the Mariners were with Robles.

Early June is not early May, and waiver pick-ups are shots in the dark that occasionally work out. Deals and signings like Dom Smith, Garrett Cooper and Anthony Rizzo are more like the norm.

I do not see BAL trading O'Hearn to us.

[harmony]

7 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

A trade with the NY Mets can help the Red Sox with their Rafael Devers drama dilemma

Imagine the reaction of the baseball world if the Red Sox traded Rafael Devers for Joey Meneses or Jon Singleton.😁

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

2 minutes ago, harmony said:

Imagine the reaction of the baseball world if the Red Sox traded Rafael Devers for Joey Meneses or Jon Singleton.😁

I don't think the article implied that raffy diva would be traded for them.

[harmony]

18 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

I don't think the article implied that raffy diva would be traded for them.

Oops ... good point.

Would the Washington Nationals, whose postseason chances are listed under 1 percent, make first baseman Nathaniel Lowe available?

This year Lowe, who turns 30 in July, has posted a wRC+ of 119 with a .340 OBP and six home runs. Lowe remains under team control for one more season after earning $10.3 million this year.

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/nathaniel-lowe/19566/stats?position=1B

Would anyone trade Triston Casas to Washington for Lowe and 33-year-old closer Kyle Finnegan, who has posted a 3.07 ERA and 12 saves this season while earning $6 million on a one-year contract?

[notin]

8 hours ago, vjcsmoke said:

Yes. It really happened. I guess we were desperate.

I've read another rumor that we might be interested in Baltimore's Ryan O'Hearn.

He's having his best season yet at age 31. I guess he's a late bloomer? He will be a free agent at the end of the year. So we would be buying a rental. Shouldn't be too pricey considering there's no additional control and I could take him seriously as a 1st baseman replacement. He's currently ripping it for .955 OPS with 7 homeruns.

Baltimore might not be so ready to wave the white flag in May, especially early May.

[Hitch]

2 hours ago, notin said:

Gotta love the “they can’t expect me to play every position” hyperbole.  I don’t think that’s the case here.

While I sort of understand it, Devers needs to grasp eventually that as much as a lifetime of practice helped hit hitting, the fielding never caught up. No one wants him to play “every position”; they want to limit him to the least challenging ones defensively.  
 

And a move to 1b isnt even permanent.  It’s not like Casas died…

Several times this week I've gone to write a post (and then stopped) to say we need to ease off on Cora in his remarks about this issue and that the Red Sox really F'ed it up with Devers. 

They told him over and over that he was their 3rd baseman, that Bregman was a gold glove 2nd baseman in waiting, knowing they were full of s***. Then they tell Devers that he is DH'ing and nothing else. Now they need him at 1st. I can see why Cora was trying to downplay it. The players are human, not robots, he has to manage egos, smooth things over, nudge people down certain paths. He has to manage 26 players (and more) into a coherent well melded group that believes in him. They couldn't have played it any worse in the way they've handled Devers,

In saying that, if the translation matches up (we've ben through this once), Devers is really coming off bad here. He knows full well they don't want him to play anywhere else, and that 3rd base to 1st base transitions are relatively normal. He's not coming off great at all, and yet a part of me understands why he is so pissed off. 

 

I'm of the opinion and have been since it was signed that his contract is going to be horrible for us in the second half of it. I'm also of the opinion that we have very little to no chance of trading him. And think it hugely unlikely either way. So it'll be interesting to see how it plays out from here, because they need to sort this out somehow. 

[Hitch]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

For 37-39 players on the roster, correctomundo. "Outta town" is not easy for a $300M man.

The best we could get is prospects, and that is not what this team needs.

Unless you then flip those prospects for another big player than can help now? Again though, I think there is more chance of me getting a date with Scarlett Johansson. 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

27 minutes ago, harmony said:

Oops ... good point.

Would the Washington Nationals, whose postseason chances are listed under 1 percent, make first baseman Nathaniel Lowe available?

This year Lowe, who turns 30 in July, has posted a wRC+ of 119 with a .340 OBP and six home runs. Lowe remains under team control for one more season after earning $10.3 million this year.

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/nathaniel-lowe/19566/stats?position=1B

Would anyone trade Triston Casas to Washington for Lowe and 33-year-old closer Kyle Finnegan, who has posted a 3.07 ERA and 12 saves this season while earning $6 million on a one-year contract?

 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

29 minutes ago, harmony said:

Oops ... good point.

Would the Washington Nationals, whose postseason chances are listed under 1 percent, make first baseman Nathaniel Lowe available?

This year Lowe, who turns 30 in July, has posted a wRC+ of 119 with a .340 OBP and six home runs. Lowe remains under team control for one more season after earning $10.3 million this year.

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/nathaniel-lowe/19566/stats?position=1B

Would anyone trade Triston Casas to Washington for Lowe and 33-year-old closer Kyle Finnegan, who has posted a 3.07 ERA and 12 saves this season while earning $6 million on a one-year contract?

While some teams might be enticed by casas' upside potential, he hasn't been able to stay healthy the past couple of seasons which may be a red flag for potential trade partners.

[Maxbialystock]

5 hours ago, notin said:

Gotta love the “they can’t expect me to play every position” hyperbole.  I don’t think that’s the case here.

While I sort of understand it, Devers needs to grasp eventually that as much as a lifetime of practice helped hit hitting, the fielding never caught up. No one wants him to play “every position”; they want to limit him to the least challenging ones defensively.  
 

And a move to 1b isnt even permanent.  It’s not like Casas died…

I think Casas' career might have died. 

To me Sox management is stupidly, nastily making a big deal out of replacing the worst player (WAR -0.8) on the team.   Gonzalez has much better numbers than Casas had--problem solved. 

In Devers defense, we can already see the possibility that his hitting will be better than ever if only because he is less likely to get hurt.  Think Ortiz or JDM, both of whom were keys to winning 4 WS.  

Also in Devers defense, the simple fact is that all three positions--3B, fulltime DH, and 1B--require some adjustments.  So in fact the Sox player with the biggest salary is being jerked around by management. 

If they want to move him to 1b, fine, but do it next year and give him a whole spring training to make the adjustment.  

[notin]

2 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

While some teams might be enticed by casas' upside potential, he hasn't been able to stay healthy the past couple of seasons which may be a red flag for potential trade partners.

An arbitration-eligible first baseman with 350 PAs and a .770 OPS over the past two years is not going to be in demand this offseason…

[Larry Cook]

17 hours ago, Maxbialystock said:

I'm completely with Devers on this.  He's going to be one of those great DH's--like Ortiz and JDM--who were key to winning four WS after the 86 year drought.  Devers is more likely to play in lots of games as a DH than as 1B or 3B.  And being asked to give up 3b, then DH in the space of 2 months is insulting for a player of his stature.  

Moreover, Breslow is acting as though replacing Casas--he of the -0.8 WAR--is some big emergency when in fact it's the easiest thing in the world.  Gonzalez's WAR is +0.4 and his OPS is 200 points higher than Casas'. 

 

Every position that bres-slow had less than adequate depth (catching, first base, bullpen) has had that lack of depth tested thus far. 
meanwhile, most the places we are stacked to the rafters with option (outfield and middle infield) have experienced very little injury attrition. 
starting pitching is the one area we had depth and than depth has been tested frequently due to injuries. 

[Maxbialystock]

1 hour ago, Larry Cook said:

Every position that bres-slow had less than adequate depth (catching, first base, bullpen) has had that lack of depth tested thus far. 
meanwhile, most the places we are stacked to the rafters with option (outfield and middle infield) have experienced very little injury attrition. 
starting pitching is the one area we had depth and than depth has been tested frequently due to injuries. 

As it turned out, Casas was dead weight the day spring training ended.  Given his track record, he absolutely should have started from day one and probably would still be starting today but for the injury.  He did get some hits and did make some good plays in the field, but his WAR of -0.8 says he was a liability.  

Wong's injury made Narvaez possible, and right now he (with a WAR of +0.7) looks as good as Wong (WAR 0.0) or better.  Giolito, Breslow's $40M arm (plus giving Sale and extra cash to the Braves) are the two big mistakes I've seen.  Until his going public with what a deadbeat he thinks Devers is.  

[Maxbialystock]

16 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

he's a selfish pig.

Actually, the dummie in this little charade is Breslow.  Replacing Casas was/is the easiest thing in the world because he was a liablity.  Would I have preferred a willing Devers?  Sure I would.  But  I also like having a DH with the potential of an Ortiz or JDM.  Plus there is no question Devers has been jacked around.  And since when do you force a great hitter to take over a completely new position in the middle of the season when it's not necessary?  

[Maxbialystock]

7 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

The team also doesn't need a "me-first" diva that is criticizing management.

And I think they may be able to get something other than prospects. There might be a team that thinks a change in scenery would boost his performance and trade a pitcher for him. IMO, the sox offense has performed better than it's pitching, so it could be just what the team needs.

Management made the first move by taking him out of 3b, which he very much loved playing, then moving him to everyday DH, which took some adjusting, and then asking him to take over a whole new position 6 weeks and 39 games into the season.  

We can assume all this is to prepare ye the way for one of the Sox all-time great hitters, Masataka Yoshida, whose .775 OPS with the Sox is lower than Gonzalez's .785 this season.  

Am I the only one who can see that Yoshida's insane salary ($90K plus a $15M posting fee for 5 years, of which this is the third) is the real problem here?  

[moonslav59]

5 hours ago, harmony said:

Imagine the reaction of the baseball world if the Red Sox traded Rafael Devers for Joey Meneses or Jon Singleton.😁

The worst part of the trade would be JH not spending the savings.