Rumor: Red Sox Offer 13 Year, $632 Million Contract To Juan Soto

[Bellhorn04]

5 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

True, and I think there will be grumbling no matter what. 

If the Sox sign Soto, there are going to be people very unhappy with the amount of money spent who will think the Sox grossly overspent. 

Exactly right.

[Bellhorn04]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

He was.  Until someone offered it.  Now he’s looking for more.

 

Soto’s like anyone else.   Once he finds what he’s looking for, he stops looking for it and moves on…

Maybe Boras is screwing up again like he did last year and Soto is gonna get stiffed!

OK, probably not...

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Maybe Boras is screwing up again like he did last year and Soto is gonna get stiffed!

OK, probably not...

Soto is a little better than the guys last season. Snell learned from last year's mistake apparently. Chapman did too. 

[Randy Red Sox]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Why bring in Adames when Mayer, Campbell and others are ready and willing in AAA? Use the money on actual needs rather than just whoever is sitting in FA. 

exactly.  the Sox need a signifigant upgrade on their pitching

[moonslav59]

It would be a massive overpay, but I think we have backed ourselves into a corner. Paying Soto close to double what we might have gotten Betts for seems insane, but we need to bite the bullet on someone, and Soto, at his age, seems like the best "bullet" there can be.

If we miss out on Soto, we'd need to sign 3-4 of the most useful 7 or 8 FAs on the market. In fact, we will still need to add 1-2 big names with Soto, as well.

No Soto:

Fried and/or Burnes (if one, then Pivetta, Flaherty or ___?)

Bregman or Teoscar

Higgy or Janssen

Scott or two from Holmes, Estevez & Hoffman

With Soto:

Fried or Burnes (Pivetta, Flaherty, if we also get Scott  and one the next 3 listed below)

Scott, Holmes, Estevez or Hoffman

Higgy or Jansen

Getting Soto makes trading Abreu or Rafaela a sure bet, so we'd add value here, too.

 

[moonslav59]

If you had to choose only one, what would it be?

Soto, Pivetta, Scott, Jansen & trade Abreu, Fitts & Kelly for Crochet.

Burnes, Teoscar, Scott, Holmes, Higgy & same trade.

(I almost gave this as a choice: Burnes, Fried, Scott and Jansen and keep Abreu while trying to dump Yoshida.)

[mvp 78]

27 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It would be a massive overpay, but I think we have backed ourselves into a corner. Paying Soto close to double what we might have gotten Betts for seems insane, but we need to bite the bullet on someone, and Soto, at his age, seems like the best "bullet" there can be.

If we miss out on Soto, we'd need to sign 3-4 of the most useful 7 or 8 FAs on the market. In fact, we will still need to add 1-2 big names with Soto, as well.

No Soto:

Fried and/or Burnes (if one, then Pivetta, Flaherty or ___?)

Bregman or Teoscar

Higgy or Janssen

Scott or two from Holmes, Estevez & Hoffman

With Soto:

Fried or Burnes (Pivetta, Flaherty, if we also get Scott  and one the next 3 listed below)

Scott, Holmes, Estevez or Hoffman

Higgy or Jansen

Getting Soto makes trading Abreu or Rafaela a sure bet, so we'd add value here, too.

 

So it's Soto or Burnes & Bregman basically? Bregman is looking for 300M! Pass!

[mvp 78]

24 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

If you had to choose only one, what would it be?

Soto, Pivetta, Scott, Jansen & trade Abreu, Fitts & Kelly for Crochet.

Burnes, Teoscar, Scott, Holmes, Higgy & same trade.

(I almost gave this as a choice: Burnes, Fried, Scott and Jansen and keep Abreu while trying to dump Yoshida.)

Why are you trying to taint the water with a 100M Pivetta deal? 

[Larry Cook]

24 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Why are you trying to taint the water with a 100M Pivetta deal? 

No more pivetta talk! Let someone else choke on that guy 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

So it's Soto or Burnes & Bregman basically? Bregman is looking for 300M! Pass!

I'm against Bregman, too.

I'd be okay with Fried, Teoscar (trade Abreu & othrs for Crochet), Scott and Higgy/Jansen. (Maybe add Holmes.)

[Behindenemylines]

The Soto negotiations are putting a stall on what the Sox need to do to compete in 2025. You read so many rumors that you don't know what to believe. I just hope when it is over that all of the FA aces are not all gone.

[notin]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

If you had to choose only one, what would it be?

Soto, Pivetta, Scott, Jansen & trade Abreu, Fitts & Kelly for Crochet.

Burnes, Teoscar, Scott, Holmes, Higgy & same trade.

(I almost gave this as a choice: Burnes, Fried, Scott and Jansen and keep Abreu while trying to dump Yoshida.)

Abreu, Fitts and Kelly for Crochet??  How did that get to be a reasonable option?

It turns out now reports are that the White Sox were really not all that interested in Abreu.  Not sure what the price tag for Crochet is, but I expect the White Sox to want Campbell as a starting point…

[Brock Beauchamp]

The way I view it, generational talent contracts fare much better than the "really good" talent contracts. I'd rather pay Soto an exorbitant amount than two of Burnes/Fried and Adames.

Did the Yankees regret the A-Rod contract as he slugged his way to 700 career homers? They may have regretted it because A-Rod is a douche but not because of the way he played on the field.

If you have the money to pay the kind of free agent who only hits the market every decade or so, just do it.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Abreu, Fitts and Kelly for Crochet??  How did that get to be a reasonable option?

It turns out now reports are that the White Sox were really not all that interested in Abreu.  Not sure what the price tag for Crochet is, but I expect the White Sox to want Campbell as a starting point…

You are right. Abreu, Fitts and Kelly is too much to give.

LOL.

Maybe Abreu, Arias, Kelly & Wikelman....

[Larry Cook]

Abreau, cassas, Sandlin and cespedes for crochet 

[moonslav59]

32 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Abreau, cassas, Sandlin and cespedes for crochet 

I would not give just Casas and Abreu.

Career per 162 games or 650 PAs:

Casas .830 OPS (125 OPS+) with 31 HRs

Abreu: .794 OPS (117 OPS+) with 20 HRs and GG type defense

Crochet has just 2 years of control and has had just one ML or minor league season over 55 IP.  (He had two seasons in college between 63 and 65 IP. To me, he is too much of an unknown to get such a big haul.

I might give Abreu, Arias and Kelly.

Maybe Cespedes, Arias and Fitts/Sandlin.

I'd probably say no to Mayer for Crochet.

 

 

[Larry Cook]

34 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I would not give just Casas and Abreu.

Career per 162 games or 650 PAs:

Casas .830 OPS (125 OPS+) with 31 HRs

Abreu: .794 OPS (117 OPS+) with 20 HRs and GG type defense

Crochet has just 2 years of control and has had just one ML or minor league season over 55 IP.  (He had two seasons in college between 63 and 65 IP. To me, he is too much of an unknown to get such a big haul.

I might give Abreu, Arias and Kelly.

Maybe Cespedes, Arias and Fitts/Sandlin.

I'd probably say no to Mayer for Crochet.

 

 

I am not a fan of crochet, but you have to give to get in this climate 

[Duran Is The Man]

1 hour ago, Larry Cook said:

Abreau, cassas, Sandlin and cespedes for crochet 

say what?!? no f***ing way i'd do that. crochet is over rated IMHO. i'd give Abreu and Sandlin maybe.

[Duran Is The Man]

4 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

I am not a fan of crochet, but you have to give to get in this climate 

that would be a huge over pay. i'd rather just sign Fried or Burnes. and like Moon said, he's way too much of an unknown and he hasn't done s***.

[Larry Cook]

4 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

that would be a huge over pay. i'd rather just sign Fried or Burnes. and like Moon said, he's way too much of an unknown and he hasn't done s***.

And how has signing top notch free agent pitchers worked out for us in the previous three years???

Bottom line, if you believe crochet is a number 2 starter, you will have to give to get. 

[Duran Is The Man]

13 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

And how has signing top notch free agent pitchers worked out for us in the previous three years???

Bottom line, if you believe crochet is a number 2 starter, you will have to give to get. 

i'm not against giving. but that's giving waaaay too much, IMHO.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

I am not a fan of crochet, but you have to give to get in this climate 

You've seen my unending trade suggestions, some for Crochet. I'm willing to give, and give a lot.

What we get better be a good pitcher. I'm less sure about Crochet, and am more willing to trade for higher-prices pitchers like Castillo or Lopez.

Even with an extension, I'm not sure Crochet is much better than Crawford and Bello. Better but not better by enough.

[Larry Cook]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

You've seen my unending trade suggestions, some for Crochet. I'm willing to give, and give a lot.

What we get better be a good pitcher. I'm less sure about Crochet, and am more willing to trade for higher-prices pitchers like Castillo or Lopez.

Even with an extension, I'm not sure Crochet is much better than Crawford and Bello. Better but not better by enough.

I only saw crochet pitch twice this year. But the pure stuff is undeniable!  Better than any starter we put in the mound in 2024!!  The command and control looked really good. 
bres-slow has to make the call on durability!!! 
in today’s game, you have to give to get 

[Larry Cook]

[moonslav59]

50 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

And how has signing top notch free agent pitchers worked out for us in the previous three years???

Bottom line, if you believe crochet is a number 2 starter, you will have to give to get. 

Trade for another SP'er. 

Crochet has never pitched over 65 IP, at any level, even college, until this year.

Come on, man!

[Larry Cook]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Trade for another SP'er. 

Crochet has never pitched over 65 IP, at any level, even college, until this year.

Come on, man!

well I guess we need to look for other young controllable starting pitchers that are on the market. 
 

kind of a short list 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Larry Cook said:

I only saw crochet pitch twice this year. But the pure stuff is undeniable!  Better than any starter we put in the mound in 2024!!  The command and control looked really good. 
bres-slow has to make the call on durability!!! 
in today’s game, you have to give to get 

You know how many pitchers have had periods where they show "pure stuff?"

Nasty stuff?

Unhittable stuff?

Hell, DHern had one of MLB's best H/9 rates after 50 IP or so.

It takes more than 2 games, or even one season to prove you have it.

I'm not saying Crochet is not really good. Maybe he will be great. I'm just saying he has not proven it, yet, and giving up that much is a huge risk. Plus, it's only 2 years.

 

 

[Larry Cook]

30 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You know how many pitchers have had periods where they show "pure stuff?"

Nasty stuff?

Unhittable stuff?

Hell, DHern had one of MLB's best H/9 rates after 50 IP or so.

It takes more than 2 games, or even one season to prove you have it.

I'm not saying Crochet is not really good. Maybe he will be great. I'm just saying he has not proven it, yet, and giving up that much is a huge risk. Plus, it's only 2 years.

 

 

That’s a call bres-slow has to make! 
 

 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Larry Cook said:

well I guess we need to look for other young controllable starting pitchers that are on the market. 
 

kind of a short list 

I think there are many very good young pitchers who have really good stuff.

It's hard to pry one loose from a contending team, and those on rebuilding teams want a high price for one. We must try.

If we can't get one, even with an overpay, I like the idea of trading for a higher priced, established SP'er who may be about to decline, but does not have a ton of years of control, costs less than a FA and won't take top prospects to get.

Luis Castillo, Pablo Lopez, and others.

I like Crochet, but I think even Abreu and Arias might be too much. Maybe add Kelly or Weissert.

[win red sox]

Maybe i'm off on this, but i just don't see Henry signing pitchers over the age of 30 to long term contracts.  So I started looking on low revenue teams that have a plethora of young pitching that need outfielders.  The Reds (Burns,Lowder), Pirates (Jones, Ortiz, Chandler,Ashcraft,Harrington) and Marlins (Perez,White,Meyer) all fit the bill.  I think most of these can be obtained by Abreu as the center piece.  If Soto is signed, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Duran will be moved.