Craig Breslow: CBO of the Red Sox

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

Impressive and not excessive…

Too suggestive...

[notin]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Too suggestive...

I can be more progressive…

[Bellhorn04]

We're here because we're obsessive.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

My forehead is passive recessive...

... suspecting MLB sneaking juiced balls back into the playoffs -- again.

[Bellhorn04]

On 10/18/2024 at 10:31 AM, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

My forehead is passive recessive...

... suspecting MLB sneaking juiced balls back into the playoffs -- again.

I like your cynicism.

I'm not sure if it's juiced balls or tired pitching arms, but these LCS games have been nutty. 

[notin]

16 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I like your cynicism.

I'm not sure if it's juiced balls or tired pitching arms, but these LCS games have been nutty. 

Was it really surprising that Cleveland finally pounced on Weaver and Holmes, considering they both pitch nearly every day?  Same with NY on Clase.

[Bellhorn04]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

Was it really surprising that Cleveland finally pounced on Weaver and Holmes, considering they both pitch nearly every day?  Same with NY on Clase.

Agree on Weaver and Homes, but Clase only pitched in Games 3 and 4.  Considering what an amazing season Clase had, yeah, this has been a tad surprising to me.

But it's baseball and that explains just about everything...

[notin]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Agree on Weaver and Homes, but Clase only pitched in Games 3 and 4.  Considering what an amazing season Clase had, yeah, this has been a tad surprising to me.

But it's baseball and that explains just about everything...

Clase is also been mostly in the 96-98 range, down a bit…

[Bellhorn04]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

Clase is also been mostly in the 96-98 range…

That would support the tired arm theory on him at least...

[notin]

21 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Think it's fatigue?

Wouldn’t surprise me.  He entered the postseason at his career high in IP.  But as a closer, that's still only 74 innings.  

[Bellhorn04]

28 minutes ago, notin said:

Wouldn’t surprise me.  He entered the postseason at his career high in IP.  But as a closer, that's still only 74 innings.  

I suppose throwing 74 innings of 100 MPH cutters might cause higher than normal arm fatigue...

[notin]

20 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I suppose throwing 74 innings of 100 MPH cutters might cause higher than normal arm fatigue...

And while a drop from 100mph to 98mph doesn’t seem like it makes him easily hittable, it’s hard to disagree it still is easier.  
 

Plus on the first night, he was beaten by Judge and Stanton, which is moderately excusable for anyone.  The second night it was the bottom of the Yankee order, but the only ball hit even reasonably hard was the one by Gleyber Torres, which was a routine single to center…

[Bellhorn04]

Copying this link to article by Joel Sherman on how analytics is shredding pitching staffs, because:

a) No one is paying much attention to that thread on The Future of Baseball, perhaps because of where it's situated; 

b) This thread has been temporarily re-purposed as the 2024 Postseason Thread; and

c) I don't think moderators should devote undue time to moving posts around.  Trying to get Talksox posters to follow posting rules would be like trying to herd cats.

😀

https://nypost.com/2024/10/18/sports/mlb-bullpens-appear-to-be-reaching-a-breaking-point/

 

[Bellhorn04]

31 minutes ago, notin said:

And while a drop from 100mph to 98mph doesn’t seem like it makes him easily hittable, it’s hard to disagree it still is easier.  
 

Plus on the first night, he was beaten by Judge and Stanton, which is moderately excusable for anyone.  The second night it was the bottom of the Yankee order, but the only ball hit even reasonably hard was the one by Gleyber Torres, which was a routine single to center…

When Stanton is hitting like this the Yankees are a very tough lineup. 

A pretty Captain Obvious observation, I know.

[notin]

10 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

When Stanton is hitting like this the Yankees are a very tough lineup. 

A pretty Captain Obvious observation, I know.

Hey let’s do a good old fashioned DH swap!! Yoshida for Stanton!! Just like swapping Mike Easler for Don Baylor!

Both players have 3 years left on their deals, but Stanton is owed $40mill more in that time frame.  So the Yankees get a player 5 years younger and saves them enough money to pay for most of one year of Juan Soto.  It’s a win-win!!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

2 hours ago, notin said:

Was it really surprising that Cleveland finally pounced on Weaver and Holmes, considering they both pitch nearly every day?  Same with NY on Clase.

ARod eloquently summed it up on the pregame: "The Yankees' using Weaver and Holmes every game showed their fatigueness."

[dgalehouse]

 It's a long season and a long post season. And the late inning relievers are called on again and again. No doubt that fatigue becomes a factor. There have been some very exciting games. But with the Sox  not involved, we can watch the games without becoming overly stressed out. That is the only good thing about not making the playoffs. 

[notin]

2 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Copying this link to article by Joel Sherman on how analytics is shredding pitching staffs, because:

a) No one is paying much attention to that thread on The Future of Baseball, perhaps because of where it's situated; 

b) This thread has been temporarily re-purposed as the 2024 Postseason Thread; and

c) I don't think moderators should devote undue time to moving posts around.  Trying to get Talksox posters to follow posting rules would be like trying to herd cats.

😀

https://nypost.com/2024/10/18/sports/mlb-bullpens-appear-to-be-reaching-a-breaking-point/

 

What analytics?  The article makes no mention of them. 
 

That hitters gain advantage as they see a starter more often and said starter is more tired from the previous innings hardly qualifies as analytics.  More like Common Sensalytics.

He does emphasize the postseason is a bullpen game, but that’s becoming more the reality in the regular season as well, a fact that is so obvious, it’s probably the only aspect of baseball dgalehouse and I agree on.   Well, that and baseballs are round.  But that’s it…

[Bellhorn04]

1 hour ago, notin said:

What analytics?  The article makes no mention of them. 
 

That hitters gain advantage as they see a starter more often and said starter is more tired from the previous innings hardly qualifies as analytics.  More like Common Sensalytics.

He does emphasize the postseason is a bullpen game, but that’s becoming more the reality in the regular season as well, a fact that is so obvious, it’s probably the only aspect of baseball dgalehouse and I agree on.   Well, that and baseballs are round.  But that’s it…

He's talking about the analytics on the pitching side:

We have been heading here for years via the metric revolution. It became understood that all pitchers should throw it harder, spin it more and max out on every pitch. That has led to both more injuries and shorter starts. The shorter starts are due to not holding back anything pitch to pitch for a marathon. And why hold back? Many starters these days are not allowed to go around a lineup more than twice —sometimes once this time of year. 

[Maxbialystock]

On 10/18/2024 at 8:29 AM, Bellhorn04 said:

We're here because we're obsessive.

I think so.  I live what I think is an ordinary life of retirement with plenty to do each day.  But I do like to read and write about the Boston Red Sox.  From 2000 to 2019 I had a full-time job as an executive director, but still had to have my daily ration--after I discovered blogging, of course.  

[vjcsmoke]

The latest rumor has us trading away Marcelo Mayer for a bag of peanuts or the equivalent. Why doesn't it surprise me anymore when the Red Sox talent dump they almost always get an awful deal in return.

https://www.si.com/mlb/red-sox/boston-red-sox-news/red-sox-could-trade-mlb-s-no-3-prospect-in-massive-gamble-per-insider-jackson3

Can someone please make the stupid stop? The Red Sox just keep making awful deals! Here's another one coming right up!

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, vjcsmoke said:

The latest rumor has us trading away Marcelo Mayer for a bag of peanuts or the equivalent. Why doesn't it surprise me anymore when the Red Sox talent dump they almost always get an awful deal in return.

https://www.si.com/mlb/red-sox/boston-red-sox-news/red-sox-could-trade-mlb-s-no-3-prospect-in-massive-gamble-per-insider-jackson3

Can someone please make the stupid stop? The Red Sox just keep making awful deals! Here's another one coming right up!

Per Tomase: "the centerpiece of a deal for an impact starter."

Your definition of bag of peanuts is much different than mine. I would deal Mayer for a top of the rotation starter without a thought. Done. Send him. 

[Hugh2]

41 minutes ago, vjcsmoke said:

The latest rumor has us trading away Marcelo Mayer for a bag of peanuts or the equivalent. Why doesn't it surprise me anymore when the Red Sox talent dump they almost always get an awful deal in return.

https://www.si.com/mlb/red-sox/boston-red-sox-news/red-sox-could-trade-mlb-s-no-3-prospect-in-massive-gamble-per-insider-jackson3

Can someone please make the stupid stop? The Red Sox just keep making awful deals! Here's another one coming right up!

Is this a trade? it's an SI article, smoke, nothing but noise.  Lets at least let them make the deals before we criticize them. 

[moonslav59]

I'm not for trading Mayer for Peanuts, or even a truckload of cashews, but he seems like the most likely guy to trade as the centerpiece for a top SP'er.

Anthony seems like the surest bet of all our prospects and has a very high ceiling.

Campbell is the lone RHB and a real athlete.

Teel is a catcher who seems like he will stick as a catcher- nuff said on him.

Casas will not bring back what mayer will.

Duran is Duran. He does it all.

I'm not against trading anyone for a better return, but if Mayer can bring back a controllable ace, I'm in.

If that is "stupid," then I don't wanna be smart.

[Hugh2]

you're not getting peanuts for Mayer, but youre' probably not getting what you think you can for him unless you're packaging him up with a few other high value pieces. 

Of course, you could package Mayer up with Yoshida and get back peanuts and clear out some payroll. 

[moonslav59]

21 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

you're not getting peanuts for Mayer, but youre' probably not getting what you think you can for him unless you're packaging him up with a few other high value pieces. 

Of course, you could package Mayer up with Yoshida and get back peanuts and clear out some payroll. 

If you go by BTV value, we can get a pretty damn good pitcher 0ne-for-one, but I agree. We'd need to add to get a real good one. Maybe and Abreu makes some sense. I'm not sure that is enough, but BTV values both pretty highly.

64.9 Mayer (this is about equal to logan Gilbert, FYI)

29.1 Abreu

Not many pitchers are worth more than 94.

[notin]

The article states Tomase floated the idea of using Mayer as the centerpiece.  That’s no different than me floating the idea.  Not news…

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, notin said:

The article states Tomase floated the idea of using Mayer as the centerpiece.  That’s no different than me floating the idea.  Not news…

I didn't see the word peanuts mentioned, either.

[notin]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I didn't see the word peanuts mentioned, either.

Yeah I’m not sure how that got added.  Do people think Breslow intends to make bad trades?  And announce it beforehand?  
 

No idea why anyone thinks the Sox want peanuts in their deals.  Chocolate covered pretzels? I get that.  Heck I’d deal Mayer for that.  But peanuts? 

[Duran Is The Man]

13 minutes ago, notin said:

Yeah I’m not sure how that got added.  Do people think Breslow intends to make bad trades?  And announce it beforehand?  
 

No idea why anyone thinks the Sox want peanuts in their deals.  Chocolate covered pretzels? I get that.  Heck I’d deal Mayer for that.  But peanuts? 

why not? minor leagurer Johnny "Binky" Jones was traded for a 25lb turkey in 1930.