Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[moonslav59]

Amended

 

You forgot Gio, too.

 

BTW, it's Fried not Fries. I don't think we go that large and long on a FA SP'er, although he is just 30. I like the 2.85 ERA since 2020, and the 3.13 FIP is not far off.

 

93 GS since 2021 (3.7 seasons) is about 25 GS and 149 IP per season.

 

I think we go for an older pitcher at 1-2 years- like Nate.

 

[moonslav59]

On the theme of trading Casas, why not go bigtime?

 

Casas, Anthony & Grissom for Kirby (4 arbs left) and Austin Voth (RP w 1 arb year left)

 

SP: Kirby, Nate (FA), Houck, Bello, Gio, Crawford, Criswell/Priester/Fitts/Dobbins

RP: Jansen (FA), Sewald (FA), Whitlock, Slaten, Hendriks, Voth, Wink, Fulmer/Crawford/Criswell/Bernardino/Kelly/Booser/Weissert/I Campbell/Guerrero/ Mata/ Murphy/ Horn

 

1. Duran LF (Ref)

2. Abreu-Refsnyder RF (Campbell)

3. Yoshida DH (EValdez)

4. Devers 1B (Romy)

5. Story SS (Mayer, DHam)

6. Mayer 3B (Meidroth)

7. Wony-Teel C (Gasper)

8. DHam-Romy 2B (Campbell)

9. Rafaela CF (Duran)

[moonslav59]

MLBTR reports:

 

Rob Refsnyder turns 34 next March, and the utilityman is considering calling it a career after the 2024 season comes to an end. Speaking with Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe, Refsnyder said he is “undecided” about returning for what would be his tenth MLB season, and was even thinking about retirement even before he joined the Red Sox during the 2021-22 offseason. Once this year is over, Refsnyder said he’ll “take it step by step from there and decide what I do….You can still make a big impact not being in a uniform and it’s a lot easier for your family and their schedule.”

 

As per the terms of the contract extension Refsnyder signed in June 2023, the Sox hold a $2MM club option ($150K) on his services for 2025. This option looks like a lock to be exercised if Refsnyder wishes to keep playing, as he has an excellent .298/.384/.472 slash line over 251 plate appearances in part-time duty for the Red Sox this season. Still, Refsnyder is eager to spend more time with his family, and is perhaps keen to start working towards his longer-term goal of working in a front office.

 

I hope comes back. With O'Neill being a FA, we need his RHB.

[harmony]

On the theme of trading Casas, why not go bigtime?

 

Casas, Anthony & Grissom for Kirby (4 arbs left) and Austin Voth (RP w 1 arb year left)

 

SP: Kirby, Nate (FA), Houck, Bello, Gio, Crawford, Criswell/Priester/Fitts/Dobbins

RP: Jansen (FA), Sewald (FA), Whitlock, Slaten, Hendriks, Voth, Wink, Fulmer/Crawford/Criswell/Bernardino/Kelly/Booser/Weissert/I Campbell/Guerrero/ Mata/ Murphy/ Horn

 

1. Duran LF (Ref)

2. Abreu-Refsnyder RF (Campbell)

3. Yoshida DH (EValdez)

4. Devers 1B (Romy)

5. Story SS (Mayer, DHam)

6. Mayer 3B (Meidroth)

7. Wony-Teel C (Gasper)

8. DHam-Romy 2B (Campbell)

9. Rafaela CF (Duran)

It's hard to resist telling a fellow poster that he overvalues his favorite team's players and undervalues the players of other teams.

[moonslav59]

It's hard to resist telling a fellow poster that he overvalues his favorite team's players and undervalues the players of other teams.

 

It's pretty common. When I used to be on BTV, almost all my trade suggestions gave more value than we got back.

 

I'm not paying there, so I can't see the "values" anymore.

 

That being said, I'd add a couple non 40 man higher ranked prospects to the package, if it's that close.

[Larry Cook]

I will wager key organs within my body that, barring injury, Chase Meidroth is not the Sox starting 3b next year…

 

I agree. But the assumption is cassas is traded for pitching

[moonslav59]

I agree. But the assumption is cassas is traded for pitching

 

Yes, but I still think Mayer, Story, Romy, Sogard or even DHam may play 3B (edit) before Meidroth. It's no clear choice.

Edited August 21, 2024 by moonslav59

[Maxbialystock]

On the theme of trading Casas, why not go bigtime?

 

Casas, Anthony & Grissom for Kirby (4 arbs left) and Austin Voth (RP w 1 arb year left)

 

SP: Kirby, Nate (FA), Houck, Bello, Gio, Crawford, Criswell/Priester/Fitts/Dobbins

RP: Jansen (FA), Sewald (FA), Whitlock, Slaten, Hendriks, Voth, Wink, Fulmer/Crawford/Criswell/Bernardino/Kelly/Booser/Weissert/I Campbell/Guerrero/ Mata/ Murphy/ Horn

 

1. Duran LF (Ref)

2. Abreu-Refsnyder RF (Campbell)

3. Yoshida DH (EValdez)

4. Devers 1B (Romy)

5. Story SS (Mayer, DHam)

6. Mayer 3B (Meidroth)

7. Wony-Teel C (Gasper)

8. DHam-Romy 2B (Campbell)

9. Rafaela CF (Duran)

 

I think the specifics can always be debated, but your OP lays down what I think is a reasonable approach. Be willing to give up good prospects to get good pitching.

 

And right now the Sox have pretty solid hitting overall and next year could have that plus decent infield defense and still trade away good prospects.

 

Right now a blind man can see the Sox lineup is way more talented than the pitching staff. But both groups own 13 slots on the roster and therefore are equally important. The 2024 Sox are unbalanced and should be rebalanced, if doable, this offseason.

[notin]

I agree. But the assumption is cassas is traded for pitching

 

I don’t the is a single potential fate for Casas that would lead to Meidroth as the Sox starting 3b next year. Yet that was the one change you put into my fake lineup…

[Randy Red Sox]

was our SP saviour Rich Hill not to have made a rehab start at AAA last night?

[mvp 78]

Yes, but I still think Mayer, Story, Romy, Sogard or even DHam may play 1B before Meidroth. It's no clear choice.

 

1b? None of those guys should be at 1b. Even Romy at 1b lost them a game this year. Story is 6'2", but too athletic to be left at 1b. At worst, you'd move Story to 3b.

[mvp 78]

was our SP saviour Rich Hill not to have made a rehab start at AAA last night?

 

I don't remember hearing that?

[moonslav59]

1b? None of those guys should be at 1b. Even Romy at 1b lost them a game this year. Story is 6'2", but too athletic to be left at 1b. At worst, you'd move Story to 3b.

 

I meant "3B."

[mvp 78]

I meant "3B."

 

Oh, that makes a little more sense then!

[harmony]

It's pretty common. When I used to be on BTV, almost all my trade suggestions gave more value than we got back.

 

I'm not paying there, so I can't see the "values" anymore.

 

That being said, I'd add a couple non 40 man higher ranked prospects to the package, if it's that close.

The master of adding quantity on BTV to compensate for the lack of quality.

[moonslav59]

The master of adding quantity on BTV to compensate for the lack of quality.

 

Many prospect trades for a ML player are 3 or 4 for one. I tried not to add players like E Valdez who seemed to have inflated values on BTV.

 

I will say that most of my trade suggestions had more "No's" from the Sox side than the other team's side, so that does sort of show I was not being a "homer."

[notin]

Oh, that makes a little more sense then!

 

Of course it does.

 

You can’t play Story at 1b. The guy has a .288 OBP since coming to Boston; he doesn’t even know where first base is!!

[jgar658]

Trade Casas????

 

Do you remember what we got in return for Rizzo?

[mvp 78]

Trade Casas????

 

Do you remember what we got in return for Rizzo?

 

An All Star, Gold Glove 1B who had 213 hits in his first year here.

 

2011 - 2016: AGon bWAR > Rizzo bWAR

[notin]

An All Star, Gold Glove 1B who had 213 hits in his first year here.

 

2011 - 2016: AGon bWAR > Rizzo bWAR

 

But we also lost Casey Kelly and Rey Fuentes in that deal!!! They could have both played out their lackluster minor league careers in Pawtucket!!

[Bellhorn04]

Trading Casas is just straight-out crazy talk LOL

[moonslav59]

Trading Casas is just straight-out crazy talk LOL

 

We need really good pitchers, and everytime someone suggest a trade candidate, a poster says, "NOT HIM!"

 

I will say, we have very little depth at corner IF, unless you count Story or mayer as a possible 3Bman, so we can move Devers to 1B. A couple moves like that improves the D at 3B and 1B, and our weakness is not LHBs, like casas is.

[Bellhorn04]

We need really good pitchers, and everytime someone suggest a trade candidate, a poster says, "NOT HIM!"

 

True, but Casas is a cornerstone player.

 

If they spent a little money on the rotation the need wouldn't be as dire.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

True, but Casas is a cornerstone player.

 

If they spent a little money on the rotation the need wouldn't be as dire.

 

I keep saying it (lately, and earlier). Not one Yamamoto who can get hurt and maybe Sale through a half decade of rehab before returning, but lots of average albeit actual BIG LEAGUE starting pitchers...

 

... kinda like KC did -- back when the Sox were just "interested" in making Lugo a starter.

 

Every time I see Moon give the history of big Boston deals for ace starters, I keep looking at those packages and noting that these Red Sox just don't have top pitching prospects that other teams want right now in trade. But that's what they'll all want, in addition to one or two of the Top FOUR...

[mvp 78]

Trading Casas is just straight-out crazy talk LOL

 

We aren’t employed by the Sox. We can talk about crazy stuff and debate the merits.

[mvp 78]

True, but Casas is a cornerstone player.

 

If they spent a little money on the rotation the need wouldn't be as dire.

 

Cornerstone until he leaves in a few years.

[moonslav59]

True, but Casas is a cornerstone player.

 

If they spent a little money on the rotation the need wouldn't be as dire.

 

Of course, but we don't and we might not again, soon, so we look for other options to improve our staff.

 

We aren't trading DHam, Ref and Crawford for an ace.

 

Nobody wants to trade Anthony.

Nobody wants to trade Teel.

Nobody wants to trade Casas.

Only MVP wants to trade Mayer.

Now, nobody wants to trade Campbell.

 

We can wish our lives away that JH "should just spend more," but he isn't.

 

It does little good to be 2-3 deep at just about all of our everyday positions, while our staff rots on the vine.

[Nick]

Trading Casas is just straight-out crazy talk LOL

 

Right! Why take two steps back in hopes of taking two steps forward?

 

He's under team control for 4 more years (starting in 2025).

 

Yes, it's just crazy talk.

[Nick]

MLB.com has Corbin Burnes as #2 rated Free Agent (age 30) and has Orioles, Mets and Sox as potential home.

 

With the return of Giolito, he may be the only starter we need to get us over the hump.

 

I like our OF of Duran, Rafaela and Abreu. I like our corner infielders, Devers and Casas. Our catching will be more than adequate with Wong and a partner. Trevor Story should fill in at short or 2B. I'm hesitant to break up what's good.

 

We also have Campbell, Mayer, Anthony and Teel in waiting.

[moonslav59]

MLB.com has Corbin Burnes as #2 rated Free Agent (age 30) and has Orioles, Mets and Sox as potential home.

 

With the return of Giolito, he may be the only starter we need to get us over the hump.

 

I like our OF of Duran, Rafaela and Abreu. I like our corner infielders, Devers and Casas. Our catching will be more than adequate with Wong and a partner. Trevor Story should fill in at short or 2B. I'm hesitant to break up what's good.

 

We also have Campbell, Mayer, Anthony and Teel in waiting.

 

They also have us listed as one of the 3 teams for Flaherty.