5/17 Sox @ St Louis, 8:15 pm

[Tedballgame]

45 PAs ain't proof of nutin'

 

Before this year he has hit great in the minors and pretty good in the majors. Have to give him more time considering he missed most of Spring Training. But, he has to learn to lay off breaking balls in the dirt that aren't close to strikes. Otherwise, he is going to see alot of those.

[moonslav59]

Before this year he has hit great in the minors and pretty good in the majors. Have to give him more time considering he missed most of Spring Training. But, he has to learn to lay off breaking balls in the dirt that aren't close to strikes. Otherwise, he is going to see alot of those.

 

Agreed. Many very good players go through stretches where they look horrible vs breaking balls, especially after missing time.

 

I'm not saying I am not concerned, but this sample size is still small.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The team ERA took a small dent last night.

Btw, I'm having a hard time deciding which highly paid Boston sports' figure I dislike more. It's either David Pastrnak or Devers. It could just end up a tie.

[moonslav59]

I just don't get the dislike for Devers.

 

He's like a big teddy bear who loves playing the game. Like Manny without all the drama.

[vegasbob]

I just don't get the dislike for Devers.

 

He's like a big teddy bear who loves playing the game. Like Manny without all the drama.

 

Devers is a f***wit with a coconut for a brain, Pastrnak is is just a loser with limited abilities .

[Hugh2]

45 PAs ain't proof of nutin'

 

Proves more about the fans than the players

[Old Red]

I just don't get the dislike for Devers.

 

He's like a big teddy bear who loves playing the game. Like Manny without all the drama.

Your Devers Forever is just not that good a player, and is no way the hitter that Manny was, or CLUTCH like Ortiz was. He sucks pretty much on D, and most likely won’t age very well.

[jad]

Devers is a f***wit with a coconut for a brain, Pastrnak is is just a loser with limited abilities .

 

Oh good. now we know.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Devers is a f***wit with a coconut for a brain, Pastrnak is is just a loser with limited abilities .

 

I've always referred to Pasta as a one-trick pony, and when he's not doing his one trick, he's a liability on the ice.

[Bellhorn04]

I just don't get the dislike for Devers.

 

He's like a big teddy bear who loves playing the game. Like Manny without all the drama.

 

For some I think Devers has became less lovable because of his contract.

[dgalehouse]

Some of the anger at Devers is that he is not Mookie. That is really too much to expect and not really fair. He is still the best player on this club.

[Old Red]

For some I think Devers has became less lovable because of his contract.

 

Agree, and if fans don’t think he is playing up to his contract it will always be that way.

[Old Red]

Some of the anger at Devers is that he is not Mookie. That is really too much to expect and not really fair. He is still the best player on this club.

 

He’s the best all around hitter, but needs improvement with MOB. He’s hit a HR three games in a row all solo shots, but left 5 on base last night, and has been doing that pretty regularly.

[moonslav59]

Devers has had a ton of big and clutch hits over his career. Memories are short, for some.

 

He has not been "clutch," so far this year, but even some of his solo shots have tied game, or got us within striking range. They were not all useless.

 

Here are the large sample size numbers: career 3,765 PAs for the 27 year old, who has just reached prime:

 

.855 Career overall OPS (.842 home/.892 away shows that Fenway has not helped him.)

 

.870 Men on Base (better than overall) .850 bases loaded (about the same)

 

.905 RISP (better than overall)

 

.892 RISP w 2 outs (better than overall)

 

.876 High Leverage (Better than overall) .795 Low Leverage

 

Can we stop with the "not clutch" talk? Is someone really being judge by a 34 game sample size? Is someone really being judged more harshly, because we didn't keep Betts, 4 years ago?

 

It looks like the answer is yes, for some. Not me.

 

Sure, I wish we kept Betts. I suggested we offer him $400M/14, if that's what it took. Sure, I wish we extended Bogey way before that last season with us. Sure, I wanted us to lock up Devers "forevers," and I'm still glad we did.

 

We'd be much worse off without him, and we all know we could not have counted on JH to spend his money on others.

 

 

[Old Red]

Devers has had a ton of big and clutch hits over his career. Memories are short, for some.

 

He has not been "clutch," so far this year, but even some of his solo shots have tied game, or got us within striking range. They were not all useless.

 

Here are the large sample size numbers: career 3,765 PAs for the 27 year old, who has just reached prime:

 

.855 Career overall OPS (.842 home/.892 away shows that Fenway has not helped him.)

 

.870 Men on Base (better than overall) .850 bases loaded (about the same)

 

.905 RISP (better than overall)

 

.892 RISP w 2 outs (better than overall)

 

.876 High Leverage (Better than overall) .795 Low Leverage

 

Can we stop with the "not clutch" talk? Is someone really being judge by a 34 game sample size? Is someone really being judged more harshly, because we didn't keep Betts, 4 years ago?

 

It looks like the answer is yes, for some. Not me.

 

Sure, I wish we kept Betts. I suggested we offer him $400M/14, if that's what it took. Sure, I wish we extended Bogey way before that last season with us. Sure, I wanted us to lock up Devers "forevers," and I'm still glad we did.

 

We'd be much worse off without him, and we all know we could not have counted on JH to spend his money on others.

 

 

 

No we can’t stop the not clutch talk, and it will probably continue as long as Devers is in a Red Sox uniform. You can come up with all the stats you want, but they won’t offset the eye test People see what they want to see, and remember what’s most important to them. Just go back, and look at the game threads, and that tells you on a pitch by pitch basis, and an AB by AB basis. Game threads are what they are, and in real time like it, or not, so NO the Raffy no clutch talk I expect will continue. Devers Forever, or Never Devers depending on the situation, and your taste for such matters.

[notin]

Some of the anger at Devers is that he is not Mookie. That is really too much to expect and not really fair. He is still the best player on this club.

 

+1…

[notin]

Your Devers Forever is just not that good a player, and is no way the hitter that Manny was, or CLUTCH like Ortiz was. He sucks pretty much on D, and most likely won’t age very well.

 

So your criticism of Devers is he isn’t a Hall of Fame caliber player?

 

I don’t think anyone disagrees, including Devers. But it’s not exactly the harshest criticism, either.

 

His D is weak, but I don’t think he will be spending much more of his career at 3b…

[Bellhorn04]

The problem is that $313.5 million is an awful lot of money for a DH or even a first baseman.

 

And it does unfortunately further emphasize the idiocy of not paying Betts, who is literally at least twice as good as Devers.

[Old Red]

So your criticism of Devers is he isn’t a Hall of Fame caliber player?

 

I don’t think anyone disagrees, including Devers. But it’s not exactly the harshest criticism, either.

 

His D is weak, but I don’t think he will be spending much more of his career at 3b…

 

I take Raffy for what he is, which is a bad 3B who will hit 270/280, hit 30-35 HR, and drive in 100 RBI +,or -. Where he plays DH/1B/3B is to me not worth the money especially if he’s a DH.

[moonslav59]

The problem is that $313.5 million is an awful lot of money for a DH or even a first baseman.

 

And it does unfortunately further emphasize the idiocy of not paying Betts, who is literally at least twice as good as Devers.

 

Agreed, but this has nothing to do with how good Devers is.

 

This guy has had some mammoth hits for the Sox, some as clutch as they get.

 

He has not been clutch in his 34 games, this year, and it seems this is what defines him, to some.

[moonslav59]

You don't have a .955 OPS in the playoffs by not being clutch.

 

Devers has 8 playoff HRs in 102 PAs (89 ABs) That is like hitting 50 HRs in 650 PAs with over 160 RBIs.

 

Very short memories for some.

[Old Red]

You don't have a .955 OPS in the playoffs by not being clutch.

 

Devers has 8 playoff HRs in 102 PAs (89 ABs) That is like hitting 50 HRs in 650 PAs with over 160 RBIs.

 

Very short memories for some.

 

Raffy will be critiqued every AB in every game the rest of his career in Boston, which I doubt ends up Devers Forever. Right, or wrong, fair, or unfair, and you whining, and crying about it isn’t going to stop it.