2024 Prospects

[Randy Red Sox]

On 8/26/2024 at 7:50 AM, mvp 78 said:

Said that he SHOULD have a normal offseason though. Yorke had back issues at one point then stopped having them recently. Maybe just a blip? 

not Mayer's first injury though which could be a red flag

[moonslav59]

My Early SEP Prospect Rankings (not predicting soxprospects.com's rankings:)

1. Anthony

2. Campbell

3. Mayer

4. Teel

5. Montgomery

6. Arias

7. Cespedes

8. Jh Garcia

9. Perales

10. Bleis

11. Meidroth

12. Romero

13. Priester

14. Sandlin

15. Fitts

16. Tolle

17. Jo. Garcia

18. E R-C

19. Valera

20. Monegro

Dobbins, Castro, Cason, Paez, Neely

 

 

[mvp 78]

6 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

not Mayer's first injury though which could be a red flag

It’s been every season.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

47 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It’s been every season.

The Boston Red Flags

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

The Boston Red Flags

I said to trade him at the deadline. Everyone else laughed at me. 

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I said to trade him at the deadline. Everyone else laughed at me. 

That might have been his peak value point.

It's hard to know how each GM looks at injuries and injury prone players/prospects. My guess is a few GMs still would really like him, but I do think his value has dipped, despite doing well in higher levels, this season.

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

That might have been his peak value point.

It's hard to know how each GM looks at injuries and injury prone players/prospects. My guess is a few GMs still would really like him, but I do think his value has dipped, despite doing well in higher levels, this season.

I'm sure he has substantial value, but it's not what it would have been prior to the current injury. I already had injury concerns about him going into this. 

[mvp 78]

 

[Hugh2]

9 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

My Early SEP Prospect Rankings (not predicting soxprospects.com's rankings:)

1. Anthony

2. Campbell

3. Mayer

4. Teel

5. Montgomery

6. Arias

7. Cespedes

8. Jh Garcia

9. Perales

10. Bleis

11. Meidroth

12. Romero

13. Priester

14. Sandlin

15. Fitts

16. Tolle

17. Jo. Garcia

18. E R-C

19. Valera

20. Monegro

Dobbins, Castro, Cason, Paez, Neely

 

 

Well done, I had to stop myself.  You can kind of figure where their rankings will be based on the "arrows" I'm high on Arias like you, I think I have an affinity towards upside more than most people, which is not only why I like Arias, but while I'm not as low on Bleis.  I still think he has 5 tool potential, and I'd be interested to see how he does next season after a full season and offseason of health under his belt. 

[Hugh2]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

 

Me "Sox will sign someone like Burnes this offseason"

John Henry "the hell I will" 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Me "Sox will sign someone like Burnes this offseason"

John Henry "the hell I will" 

I'm not a believer. We'll hear a lot of rumors. Until a legit pitcher is up on the podium putting on a Sox jersey, I'm not going to buy into the rumors. 

[moonslav59]

36 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Well done, I had to stop myself.  You can kind of figure where their rankings will be based on the "arrows" I'm high on Arias like you, I think I have an affinity towards upside more than most people, which is not only why I like Arias, but while I'm not as low on Bleis.  I still think he has 5 tool potential, and I'd be interested to see how he does next season after a full season and offseason of health under his belt. 

I know Bleis was slowed by the missed season due to injury, and he starting to hit, now, but his numbers are just not impressive, to me. I still think he has the "tools," like you do. Part of the reason I have him 10th is that I'm super high on Jh Garcia and Cespedes. I wanted to put him above Perales, but Perales is a top 100 prospect, when healthy.

[Hugh2]

14 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I know Bleis was slowed by the missed season due to injury, and he starting to hit, now, but his numbers are just not impressive, to me. I still think he has the "tools," like you do. Part of the reason I have him 10th is that I'm super high on Jh Garcia and Cespedes. I wanted to put him above Perales, but Perales is a top 100 prospect, when healthy.

Remember Bleis is still 1.5 years younger than Garcia, FWIW Garcia has an up arrow on soxprospects, he's slated to jump ahead of some people. 

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

Remember Bleis is still 1.5 years younger than Garcia, FWIW Garcia has an up arrow on soxprospects, he's slated to jump ahead of some people. 

They also have Penrod with an up arrow, so I'm not sure how up to date they are on that.

Do they do an early Sept re-ranking?

[Hugh2]

21 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

They also have Penrod with an up arrow, so I'm not sure how up to date they are on that.

Do they do an early Sept re-ranking?

Very, all those appeared within the last week. 

[Hugh2]

21 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

They also have Penrod with an up arrow, so I'm not sure how up to date they are on that.

Do they do an early Sept re-ranking?

The re-ranking is done every month, september is not out yet so it should be updated any hour/day now. 

[mvp 78]

5 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

Remember Bleis is still 1.5 years younger than Garcia, FWIW Garcia has an up arrow on soxprospects, he's slated to jump ahead of some people. 

He's young and toolsy. Right now, I think there's an issue with Bleis' swing as he's hitting too many infield popups. I think scouts rushed to grade him too high too soon. I don't think he's the next Gilberto Jimenez/Antoni Flores to flame out though. He should at least show more promise and make his way through the system. Not sure he's going to meet the hype he once had though. 

[mvp 78]

17 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

The re-ranking is done every month, september is not out yet so it should be updated any hour/day now. 

Meidroth with up arrow = TOP TEN LFG!!!

[Hugh2]

33 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He's young and toolsy. Right now, I think there's an issue with Bleis' swing as he's hitting too many infield popups. I think scouts rushed to grade him too high too soon. I don't think he's the next Gilberto Jimenez/Antoni Flores to flame out though. He should at least show more promise and make his way through the system. Not sure he's going to meet the hype he once had though. 

The pop ups are certainly concerning, but hasn't he also only had something like 25 at bats vs. anyone older than him at this point.  This is why I'm still high on him, but he can start to slide quick in my book if he doesn't pick it up next year. 

[Hugh2]

42 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Meidroth with up arrow = TOP TEN LFG!!!

I just can't get too excited about Meidroth, but I'm an upside guy and he seems to have very little. 

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I just can't get too excited about Meidroth, but I'm an upside guy and he seems to have very little. 

At some point, his 866 OPS in AAA has to mean something. He's a solid player with a skillset that is clearly missing from the '24 Sox. 

[Hugh2]

18 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

At some point, his 866 OPS in AAA has to mean something. He's a solid player with a skillset that is clearly missing from the '24 Sox. 

Anyone can put up a .800 OPS in AAA, just ask Bobby Dalbec who has done it three years in a row.  

Not trying to compare the two, point is it MEANS something when he can do it in the majors. 

He has little power, makes weak contact, and every other tool is fringe average at best.

I don't think his skills are going to convert over to the MLB level, at best he's a utility guy. 

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

Anyone can put up a .800 OPS in AAA, just ask Bobby Dalbec who has done it three years in a row.  

Not trying to compare the two, point is it MEANS something when he can do it in the majors. 

He has little power, makes weak contact, and every other tool is fringe average at best.

I don't think his skills are going to convert over to the MLB level, at best he's a utility guy. 

I don't disagree, but sometimes prospects will surprise you, even some with worse AAA numbers than Meidroth.

I don't lump Meidroth in with out top 4-5 or even 7-9, and I can see why making him #9 or 10 could make our farm system look shallow, but he's not a bad fielder, and he can maybe play all IF positions, someday.

[Hugh2]

13 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I don't disagree, but sometimes prospects will surprise you, even some with worse AAA numbers than Meidroth.

I don't lump Meidroth in with out top 4-5 or even 7-9, and I can see why making him #9 or 10 could make our farm system look shallow, but he's not a bad fielder, and he can maybe play all IF positions, someday.

I get it I do, I just feel Meidroth is getting there because he's a high floor guy without much of a ceiling.   I could see him becoming a super utility 2 War type for a few years in his peak, and if that's the 9th best guy in  your system you're doing something right. 

I'm a dreamer, I like a guy with upside.  A good bench bat like a good middle reliever can be very valuable to a team, but a starter who adds value is better.  I don't see Meidroth holding down a starting job in Boston. 

[moonslav59]

37 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I get it I do, I just feel Meidroth is getting there because he's a high floor guy without much of a ceiling.   I could see him becoming a super utility 2 War type for a few years in his peak, and if that's the 9th best guy in  your system you're doing something right. 

I'm a dreamer, I like a guy with upside.  A good bench bat like a good middle reliever can be very valuable to a team, but a starter who adds value is better.  I don't see Meidroth holding down a starting job in Boston. 

Well said. It's hard to guess what his ceiling is. If he can keep near that OBP, his D is good enough to be a starter- maybe not with the Sox, but somewhere.

The low hard hit ball rate makes me think it won't happen, but sometimes there are surprises. Some hitters do better vs pitchers that are closer to the K zone with most of their pitches.

[moonslav59]

Woo won 13-11, as Story went 4-5 (all singles to get to .813.)

Anthony 2-4 w 2BB (.971 in AAA)

Campbell 1-3 w HR and 2BB (1.024 in AAA)

Teel 2-5 w 2B, BB and an E (.547 in AAA)

Bobby Dee hit is 18th HR (.832)

Grissom 2-5 w BB (.690)

Hendriks pitched a scoreless inning w 1H and 0BB/0K

 

POR won 4-2, as Encarnacion went 4 scoreless (2H, 1BB, 2K) & Jh Garcia went 1-3 w BB (.752)

GRE lost 4-3, but Rogers pitched 6 innings w no ERs (6H, 3BB, 3K) & Gonzalez his 19th dinger (.828)

SAL lost 7-3, but Duffy pitched a gem: 5IP 4H, 0ER, 0BB & 10K

[moonslav59]

Soxprospects.com did their Sept update on the rankings:

1. Anthony

2. Mayer

3. Campbell (up) I might have put him 2nd.

4. Teel (Jumped by K. C.)

5. Montgomery

6. Perales (Went up while on IL)

7. Arias (up and up)

8. Bleis (down)

9. Meidroth (up)

10. Cespedes (down)

11. Sandlin

12. Fitts

13. Tolle

14. Romero (up)

15. Jh Garcia (up)

16. Castro

17. Jo Garcia

18. Dobbins (up)

19 Penrod (up- not sure why)

20. Wikelman (why are they sticking with him?

21-25: ERC, Monegro, Cason, Valera, Early

26-30: Mullins, Guerrero, Jordan, Paez, Zanetello (down, bigly)

30-40: D Refeys, Ju Gonzalez, Neely, Wehunt, Sogard, Bastardo, Reimer, Taylor, Ehhard, Clarke

41-50: Tygart, Dean, Carlson, Ingrassia, Anderson, Gasper, Gambrell, Hickey (down), Bonnin, Jackson

51-60: Brannon, Mata, Fermin, Pinto, Brito, Nunez, Hoppe, I Coffey, Turner, Rogers

 

 

[moonslav59]

Sox Top Prospects by ETA (soxprospects.com with tweaks)

2025: 1 Anthony, 2 Mayer, 3 Campbell, 4 Teel, 9 Meidroth (all listed as "early '25)

12 Fitts, 18 Dobbins, 19 Penrod, 27. Guerrero

2026: 6 Perales (they have him as '27) 11 Sandlin, 14 Romero, 15 Jh Garcia, 16 Castro, 22 Monegro

2027: 5 Montgomery,  8 Bleis, 13 Tolle, 21 E R-C

2028: 7 Arias, 10 Cespedes, 17 Jo Garcia, 24 Valera

[Hugh2]

I think what keeps Mayer 2nd above Campbell is the fact that he definively has a home at SS and has the potential to have a plus glove there, that plus he has more power potential.  Campbell is also older, if Mayer went to college he would have just been drafted and might not of even played a game of minor league ball yet. 

 

It's easy to forget how young guys when they're highschool draftees and they spend a few years in the system. 

FWIW, Campbell was a draft eligible sophmore, and was a good year younger than the typical draftee out of college.  Making his rise that more impressive. 

[mvp 78]

21 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

Anyone can put up a .800 OPS in AAA, just ask Bobby Dalbec who has done it three years in a row.  

Not trying to compare the two, point is it MEANS something when he can do it in the majors. 

He has little power, makes weak contact, and every other tool is fringe average at best.

I don't think his skills are going to convert over to the MLB level, at best he's a utility guy. 

I see him as a replacement for the David Hamilton bench role.