Red Sox ownership

[Hitch]

Would you rather be a Dodgers team or a Red Sox team fan right now?

 

Yeah, I wasn't making the point you were wanting me to.

[Randy Red Sox]

It's also estimated that the Sox are worth $4.5B. JH & Co. bought them for $750M just over 20 years ago.

 

Many super rich people are stingy with their money. In some ways, that's how they got so rich.

 

 

Henry looks over the top of his glasses to keep them from wearing out

[dgalehouse]

Dave Dombrowski has taken four different teams to the World Series, winning it twice. He is a two time baseball executive of the year. On a possible Hall of Fame path. Comparing him to a neophyte like Bloom is ridiculous.

[Randy Red Sox]

Yeah, I wasn't making the point you were wanting me to.

 

well at least one team is TRYING to win

[Hitch]

well at least one team is TRYING to win

 

I don't know what this has to do with my point either, but okay.

[Randy Red Sox]

Dombrowski’s parting gifts weren’t much better. $145mill for Sale?h

 

Another way to look at it is, while increasing spending, Dombrowski’s Phillies went 259-227 over the last 3 seasons. While maintaining payroll, Bloom’s Red Sox went 248-238 over the last 3 seasons.

 

In completely different situations, only 11 more wins over 3 years. That’s not a lot. In fact, after two years, Bloom’s team actually had a better record.

 

Maybe if Bloom figured out what to do at a trade deadline, things would have been all but equal…

 

The issue is not really one of DD vs Bloom. It is an issue of JH refusing to allow spending $$$ on top pitching. Having said that there is simply no comparison btwn DD and Bloom. One has a long track record of producing top calibre teams and the other simply has the experience of bringing the coffee to the REAL brains of the Tampa model who is now in LA.

[Randy Red Sox]

Dave Dombrowski has taken four different teams to the World Series, winning it twice. He is a two time baseball executive of the year. On a possible Hall of Fame path. Comparing him to a neophyte like Bloom is ridiculous.

 

you said it perfectly

[Old Red]

why ? just because it seems we have 3 top position player prospects that are as yet unproven? Is that the reward for 3 last place finishes in 4 years under Bloom? And ZERO real pitching prospects.

 

And farm rankings are all over the place depending on which one you want to believe is gospel.

[Bellhorn04]

I think you must know this is a ridiculous point.

 

Not really. Isn't it possible that Bloom's lack of experience was part of the problem? If so, why would lack of experience be a key quality of the man who replaces him?

 

Sorry, I'm just not trusting Henry's thought processes and judgment lately. The revolving door of CBO's suggests a lot of dysfunction at the top.

[moonslav59]

why ? just because it seems we have 3 top position player prospects that are as yet unproven? Is that the reward for 3 last place finishes in 4 years under Bloom? And ZERO real pitching prospects.

 

If Bloom's main task was to build for the long term success, and that is what he tried to do, why is he to blame for that?

 

No doubt, the lack of promising pitching prospects is very worthy of criticism and puts a big dent in any grade we give him for farm building, but the fact is, the farm is ranked much higher by every ranking system. Much higher.

 

It could all turn to dust. We get that.

 

The "great" Ben farm, that DD traded much away, turned out to be over hype. That happens, a lot, but more times than not, these rankings do a decent job with projections.

 

I'd rather have the farm now, in one year: Anthony, Mayer, Teel, Bleis, Rafaela, Cespedes & Abreu than...

 

All the top homegrown, starting pitching prospects the Sox system had in the 12 seasons before Bloom took over (2008-2019):

 

Listed by top soxpropsects,com ranking:

1, Casey Kelly, Jay Groome

2. Michael Bowden, Henry Owens, Anthony Ranaudo, DHern

3. Doubront, Anderson Espinoza, Daniel Bard (best as a RP)

5. Houck, Michael Kopech, Brian Johnson

 

Bloom took over a system that produced jack for SP'ers for over a dozen years. It's not something that can be changed, overnight.

 

I understand your focus on the lack of top draft picks and IFA bonuses for SP'ers. It has merit, but the context and full picture shows our farm seems to have improved. Time will tell on the pitching.

 

I think we all hope Brez can turn the pitching aspect around. Ben, DD and Bloom did not.

[moonslav59]

Henry looks over the top of his glasses to keep them from wearing out

 

Post of the day.

[Bellhorn04]

Can someone remind me of Breslow's achievements with the Cubs?

[Old Red]

Can someone remind me of Breslow's achievements with the Cubs?

 

The report was he spent a lot of the time working remotely.

[Hitch]

Not really. Isn't it possible that Bloom's lack of experience was part of the problem? If so, why would lack of experience be a key quality of the man who replaces him?

 

Sorry, I'm just not trusting Henry's thought processes and judgment lately. The revolving door of CBO's suggests a lot of dysfunction at the top.

 

You know what you were suggesting by calling them both 'cerebral types'.

 

Breslow was an MLB major league pitcher and World Series winner. The fact they both went to Yale is about where the comparisons end.

 

Distrust Henry all you like (there's certainly plenty of reasons to) but that's about as lazy a comparison as it's possible to make. It's the kind of thing people who really can't be bothered to put much thinking into their opinions would post. And that's not you.

[dgalehouse]

Yes, we certainty don't want to emulate 5 years in a row in the play offs. Would ruin the excitement of early draft picks.

 

Trying to emulate the Rays is why the Sox are in the position they are in today. And it is why there is so much dissension in the fan base.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Can someone remind me of Breslow's achievements with the Cubs?

 

For all his Zoom calls over the years, he never once exposed any colleague on his screen to germs.

 

Not sure about viruses, but zero communicable diseases...

[Old Red]

Trying to emulate the Rays is why the Sox are in the position they are in today. And it is why there is so much dissension in the fan base.

 

👍👍👍.

[Hitch]

Trying to emulate the Rays is why the Sox are in the position they are in today. And it is why there is so much dissension in the fan base.

 

Sure.

[notin]

Trying to emulate the Rays is why the Sox are in the position they are in today. And it is why there is so much dissension in the fan base.

 

And yet in all those years where the Sox didn’t try to emulate the Rays, they never had a run like the one the Rays are currently in the midst of…

[dgalehouse]

And yet in all those years where the Sox didn’t try to emulate the Rays, they never had a run like the one the Rays are currently in the midst of…

 

Under Dombrowski, the Sox won the A.L. East an unprecedented three straight years ,with one world championship, without emulating the Rays. They then slipped to third place ( although still a competitive , above .500 team ) and Dombrowski was axed. At that point, the team embarked on its current course , starting with the bizarre trading of one of their all time best and most popular players. And the results speak for themselves.

[moonslav59]

Under Dombrowski, the Sox won the A.L. East an unprecedented three straight years ,with one world championship, without emulating the Rays. They then slipped to third place ( although still a competitive , above .500 team ) and Dombrowski was axed. At that point, the team embarked on its current course , starting with the bizarre trading of one of their all time best and most popular players. And the results speak for themselves.

 

DD nearly traded Sale at the 2019 deadline. He was not allowed to bring back Kelly and Kimbrell, unless you think he chose not to.

 

The embarking began before DD's last year, here.

[Old Red]

DD nearly traded Sale at the 2019 deadline. He was not allowed to bring back Kelly and Kimbrell, unless you think he chose not to.

 

The embarking began before DD's last year, here.

 

Nearly traded Sale? 🙈🤭🤫

[dgalehouse]

DD nearly traded Sale at the 2019 deadline. He was not allowed to bring back Kelly and Kimbrell, unless you think he chose not to.

 

The embarking began before DD's last year, here.

 

I think you mean that he nearly traded Mookie, not Sale. And you keep posting that as if it is a known fact. But I don't recall hearing anything about it at the time. The fact is, the Sox were having great success, but for some reason, decided to change course. Now they look like a cheap Ship of Fools.

[Dipre]

Under Dombrowski, the Sox won the A.L. East an unprecedented three straight years ,with one world championship, without emulating the Rays. They then slipped to third place ( although still a competitive , above .500 team ) and Dombrowski was axed. At that point, the team embarked on its current course , starting with the bizarre trading of one of their all time best and most popular players. And the results speak for themselves.

 

DD must be flattered to know he has a love interest here on talksox.

[dgalehouse]

DD must be flattered to know he has a love interest here on talksox.

 

What a stupid response.

[Old Red]

DD must be flattered to know he has a love interest here on talksox.

 

🤭🙈🤮!

[Dipre]

What a stupid response.

 

It's funny though. Take it in stride. People insinuated I was gobbling Bloom's knob and I didn't take it personal. Safe to say I wasn't nearly as enthusiastic about Bloom as you are about DD, who ran this farm system to the ground.

[Bellhorn04]

You know what you were suggesting by calling them both 'cerebral types'.

 

Breslow was an MLB major league pitcher and World Series winner. The fact they both went to Yale is about where the comparisons end.

 

Distrust Henry all you like (there's certainly plenty of reasons to) but that's about as lazy a comparison as it's possible to make. It's the kind of thing people who really can't be bothered to put much thinking into their opinions would post. And that's not you.

 

I think you're reading too much in there. I consider myself a cerebral type, so I don't think of it as an insult. And I thought Theo Epstein was cerebral and obviously very successful.

 

All I'm saying is that it might be questionable to fire someone and then replace them with someone who checks so many of the same boxes.

[notin]

Under Dombrowski, the Sox won the A.L. East an unprecedented three straight years ,with one world championship, without emulating the Rays. They then slipped to third place ( although still a competitive , above .500 team ) and Dombrowski was axed. At that point, the team embarked on its current course , starting with the bizarre trading of one of their all time best and most popular players. And the results speak for themselves.

 

In case you are no longer aware, the Red Sox no longer want to have the highest payroll in the league. It worked from a baseball standpoint, but something about it from a business standpoint clearly has not been sitting well with Henry. That he gave us a few years of top tier payroll is nice and we all enjoyed it, but he clearly has always been about running a more efficient team that costs less. As Dombrowski prefers to operate in the upper stratosphere of payrolls, his MO doesn’t fit well with what the Sox want to do.

 

It’s not about liking it. It’s just reality…

[dgalehouse]

It's funny though. Take it in stride. People insinuated I was gobbling Bloom's knob and I didn't take it personal. Safe to say I wasn't nearly as enthusiastic about Bloom as you are about DD, who ran this farm system to the ground.

 

To me, it's not personal or about personalities. It's about results. About winning baseball. We have covered the farm thing more than old MacDonald. Not interested in discussing that some more.