Craig Breslow hired as Head Of Baseball Operations

[Tedballgame]

Phillies overpaid Nola. 7 years $172 million for a 30 year old pitcher. They will regret that contract.

[Bellhorn04]

Phillies overpaid Nola. 7 years $172 million for a 30 year old pitcher. They will regret that contract.

 

Going rate these days. No bargains out there.

[dgalehouse]

Professional sports is a competitive business. The top athletes get paid a lot of money. You can say they are overpaid and the contracts will go sour due to injury, aging or underperformance , but that's just the way it is. If you want to compete and win , you have to pay . Or you can try to win on the cheap ( so to speak ) , which is possible, but difficult to do without alienating your paying customers.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Phillies overpaid Nola. 7 years $172 million for a 30 year old pitcher. They will regret that contract.

 

But rationally (watch, this has double meaning), don't most teams secretly accept that the total contract amount over a 7-year deal is effectively paying for only the first 4 or 5, at best?

 

The modern lack of a back-end really ups the front-end AAV then... So Nola's 7-year AAV of $24.6M is probably worth $34.4M to the Phils if he's good for the first 5 -- though they're really hoping they're not paying him $43M for just 4.

[Larry Cook]

Phillies overpaid Nola. 7 years $172 million for a 30 year old pitcher. They will regret that contract.

 

He probably misses 2 years with tommie John at some point in the 7 years.

[moonslav59]

Going rate these days. No bargains out there.

 

I thought he might get that money for 6 years. It’s a lot of money, but I expected this or more.

 

I like others more than Nola.

[Larry Cook]

I thought he might get that money for 6 years. It’s a lot of money, but I expected this or more.

 

I like others more than Nola.

 

What is othani going to get from cohen????

[moonslav59]

What is othani going to get from cohen????

 

Maybe nothing. Cohen may get Yama.

[mvp 78]

But rationally (watch, this has double meaning), don't most teams secretly accept that the total contract amount over a 7-year deal is effectively paying for only the first 4 or 5, at best?

 

The modern lack of a back-end really ups the front-end AAV then... So Nola's 7-year AAV of $24.6M is probably worth $34.4M to the Phils if he's good for the first 5 -- though they're really hoping they're not paying him $43M for just 4.

 

DD will probably retire within the next 5 years so I don't think he's too concerned about the end of the contract.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

DD will probably retire within the next 5 years so I don't think he's too concerned about the end of the contract.

 

Of course not. DD gave him the 7 so he'd be around next year, at least.

[harmony]

Trivia: Craig Breslow and Seattle's Jerry Dipoto -- rare top team executives who played in the Major Leagues -- were MLB relievers who posted identical career bWAR of 6.3, Breslow in 12 MLB seasons and Dipoto in eight seasons.

 

FanGraphs gives Dipoto the edge over Breslow in career fWAR, 5.1 to 2.0.

[Randy Red Sox]

Professional sports is a competitive business. The top athletes get paid a lot of money. You can say they are overpaid and the contracts will go sour due to injury, aging or underperformance , but that's just the way it is. If you want to compete and win , you have to pay . Or you can try to win on the cheap ( so to speak ) , which is possible, but difficult to do without alienating your paying customers.

 

Lord knows we have tried to win on the chap the past 4 years. How has that worked out?

[Randy Red Sox]

I thought he might get that money for 6 years. It’s a lot of money, but I expected this or more.

 

I like others more than Nola.

 

Like who?

[Larry Cook]

Professional sports is a competitive business. The top athletes get paid a lot of money. You can say they are overpaid and the contracts will go sour due to injury, aging or underperformance , but that's just the way it is. If you want to compete and win , you have to pay . Or you can try to win on the cheap ( so to speak ) , which is possible, but difficult to do without alienating your paying customers.

 

I agree! Our pitching pipeline is ugly!! We need to belly up to the bar the write some big checks or continue to be a laughing stock

[moonslav59]

Like who?

 

Ive said who I like many times. One more time:

 

1. Yamamoto- 25 years old makes him the best dice roll.

2. Montgomery- no lost draft pick and has been about as good as almost anyone the last 3 years.

3. Gray- lose the pick, but short terms deals lessen the risk.

 

Ohtani- too expensive.

Snell- lost draft pick, walks too many batters and too expensive.

 

[Old Red]

Ive said who I like many times. One more time:

 

1. Yamamoto- 25 years old makes him the best dice roll.

2. Montgomery- no lost draft pick and has been about as good as almost anyone the last 3 years.

3. Gray- lose the pick, but short terms deals lessen the risk.

 

Ohtani- too expensive.

Snell- lost draft pick, walks too many batters and too expensive.

 

 

Saying Monty has been about as good as anyone the last three years is quite the S T R E T C H. How deep are you going to call almost anyone?

[moonslav59]

Saying Monty has been about as good as anyone the last three years is quite the S T R E T C H. How deep are you going to call almost anyone?

 

He’s a top 30 pitcher in MLB, easily. To me, that makes him a#1 SP.

 

You value wins more than I. I value the last 3 years much more than career numbers. You may disagree, but I’ve been pretty consistent with my criteria.

 

Last 3 years, 500 + IP, Monty places

12 fWAR (1.5 above Bassitt)

12 ERA- (just 1 below Bassitt)

13 xFIP (15 IP less thanCB)

15 K-BB% (just behind CB’s rate)

17 IP (0.17 better than CB)

 

Most of the stats I like show he is about equal to Bassitt.

 

If I drop the IP to 300, here are the fWAR rankings of the FAs, this year:

4. Nola

12. Ohtani

17. Monty

18. Gray

19. Snell

22. Kershaw

30. Bassitt

40. ERod

 

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

Saying Monty has been about as good as anyone the last three years is quite the S T R E T C H. How deep are you going to call almost anyone?

 

About as good as the top 12-15 pitchers in MLB, and top 3-6 of pitchers that are FAs, this year. Wow, what a stretch! I’m

[Old Red]

He’s a top 30 pitcher in MLB, easily. To me, that makes him a#1 SP.

 

You value wins more than I. I value the last 3 years much more than career numbers. You may disagree, but I’ve been pretty consistent with my criteria.

 

Last 3 years, 500 + IP, Monty places

12 fWAR (1.5 above Bassitt)

12 ERA- (just 1 below Bassitt)

13 xFIP (15 IP less thanCB)

15 K-BB% (just behind CB’s rate)

17 IP (0.17 better than CB)

 

Most of the stats I like show he is about equal to Bassitt.

 

If I drop the IP to 300, here are the fWAR rankings of the FAs, this year:

4. Nola

12. Ohtani

17. Monty

18. Gray

19. Snell

22. Kershaw

30. Bassitt

40. ERod

 

 

 

 

 

Saying Monty is a top 30 pitcher is a lot different than saying he’s been about as good as anyone the last three years. A top 30 pitcher these days doesn’t mean they are all that good.

[Old Red]

About as good as the top 12-15 pitchers in MLB, and top 3-6 of pitchers that are FAs, this year. Wow, what a stretch! I’m

 

And once again just, because they are FA pitchers does not mean they are all that good, but only that they are available, and being a FA makes them more attractive.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It remains to be seen if Breslow will go all out to sign Yamamoto. We do know employees in the org he hasn't fired yet have been scouting this pitcher for awhile.

 

We also know Bloom would sign him for sure, if only because in the last three Japan seasons, Yamamoto won the Sawamura Award!

[Old Red]

It remains to be seen if Breslow will go all out to sign Yamamoto. We do know employees in the org he hasn't fired yet have been scouting this pitcher for awhile.

 

We also know Bloom would sign him for sure, if only because in the last three Japan seasons, Yamamoto won the Sawamura Award!

 

Brez will have some very stiff competition from some very big hitters going after the Yam Man. I would be shocked, and presently surprised if it happens, but not counting on it to happen at all. Right now the suitors are all lined up pushing, and shoving to get that bid in at 8:00. Brez is not first in line.

[moonslav59]

And once again just, because they are FA pitchers does not mean they are all that good, but only that they are available, and being a FA makes them more attractive.

 

Yes. I said top 12-15 in MLB.

 

Top 3-6 in FAs.

 

He is not top 3-6 in MLB but is close to anyone in the top 7-20.

[moonslav59]

Saying Monty is a top 30 pitcher is a lot different than saying he’s been about as good as anyone the last three years. A top 30 pitcher these days doesn’t mean they are all that good.

 

He’s top 12-15, IMO.

 

Top 30 does not mean they are “all that good?”

 

Talk about a STRETCH!

[Old Red]

Yes. I said top 12-15 in MLB.

 

Top 3-6 in FAs.

 

He is not top 3-6 in MLB but is close to anyone in the top 7-20.

 

I’ll end the Monty subject like this. If the Red Sox sign Monty I’ll be ok with it, because he most likely will make the rotation better, but he’s not a frontline starter, and that is what the Red Sox need most.

[Bellhorn04]

I’ll end the Monty subject like this. If the Red Sox sign Monty I’ll be ok with it, because he most likely will make the rotation better, but he’s not a frontline starter, and that is what the Red Sox need most.

 

Oh no, now we have the term "frontline" starter to deal with. Didn't Monty look pretty frontline in the playoffs?

[Old Red]

Oh no, now we have the term "frontline starter" to deal with. Didn't Monty look pretty frontline in the playoffs?

 

Don’t like it, but that’s what the article said on CBS said when they projected the contracts of the top 10 FA . Monty came in at 5/110, and the article said that he would get the 5yrs, because that’s what it would take to sign it. Hard to imagine isn’t it that there are others out there that doesn’t think as highly of Monty as some do on here.

[Old Red]

Oh no Brez just got pushed to the back of the line in the Yam Man bidding.

[moonslav59]

I’ll end the Monty subject like this. If the Red Sox sign Monty I’ll be ok with it, because he most likely will make the rotation better, but he’s not a frontline starter, and that is what the Red Sox need most.

 

Nice of you to call an end to the subject.

 

I hope Monty is the second best SPer we add, this winter.

 

Monty would be as good or better than half the teams in MLB have, IMO.

[moonslav59]

Oh no, now we have the term "frontline" starter to deal with. Didn't Monty look pretty frontline in the playoffs?

 

The goalpost always moves.