A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[mvp 78]

@tylermilliken_

According to @francysromerofr, the Red Sox remain interested in Yariel Rodriguez.

 

Reds, Astros, Blue Jays, Pirates, and Yankees also have interest.

 

Made some noise in the WBC after converting to starting. (7.1 IP, 2.45 ERA, 10 K, 6 BB). Tops out at 98.4.

[Old Red]

How about some of Cora's comments, back in those exciting days when we thought he had a voice in the team's direction.

 

I think Cora had a voice, and a hand in getting Bloom fired, but I don’t know how much voice he has now in the team’s direction. No one knows what roll he was offered in the front office like it isn’t crowded enough already. That might have changed since Breslow was hired also.

[moonslav59]

All 3 of these means completely absolutely nothing. Once again outside of on here who in the Red Sox organization said the Red Sox went under the CBT to reset so they could go back over?🙈

 

Many hoped we would. I don’t anyone who thought we would for sure.

[moonslav59]

23 under by 7

22 over by 6

21 under by 5

20 under by 9

19 over by 38

18 over by 43

 

Yes, “pretty” close.

[moonslav59]

Outside of on here who said the Red Sox had money to play with? I asked a year ago when one poster on here kept saying how much money the Red Sox had to spend,and I asked the question then on who in the Red Sox organization said they would spend up to the CBT. They didn’t.

 

They extended Devers at over $300M.

They paid $100M for Yoshida.

They paid $32M for Jansen.

They paid over $11M for JT

They spent$10M on Kluber

They paid about $30M for Martin, Duvall & Mondesi.

 

How can you say “They didn’t?”

[Old Red]

They extended Devers at over $300M.

They paid $100M for Yoshida.

They paid $32M for Jansen.

They paid over $11M for JT

They spent$10M on Kluber

They paid about $30M for Martin, Duvall & Mondesi.

 

How can you say “They didn’t?”

 

The main point was they didn’t spend up to the CBT, and all the money you mentioned was not all money added , but replacement money like for Bogey, JD, and Nate. You have always speculated they would Spend up to the CBT.

[Hugh2]

The main point was they didn’t spend up to the CBT, and all the money you mentioned was not all money added , but replacement money like for Bogey, JD, and Nate. You have always speculated they would Spend up to the CBT.

 

This feels like a semantics battle.

 

Moon has clearly laid out that they spend money, they come close to the cap, reset, and every few years blow past it.

 

You have clearly laid out that how they spend the money really really sucks.

[Old Red]

This feels like a semantics battle.

 

Moon has clearly laid out that they spend money, they come close to the cap, reset, and every few years blow past it.

 

You have clearly laid out that how they spend the money really really sucks.

 

And like I keep saying that this is not the same JH that bought the ball club, so what he has done in the past has NOTHING to do with what he does now. It’s a lot different ballgame today then even 5 years ago, so when I keep hearing what JH did in the past has no relevance now, but keep thinking it does if it makes you feel better, and keep watching other clubs keep passing you by.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, they're spending less and spending it stupider. Not a great combo.

[Old Red]

Yes, they're spending less and spending it stupider. Not a great combo.

 

And on the other side there are a lot more teams now then there used to be spending more, and more, which is not a good sign either.

[Bellhorn04]

And on the other side there are a lot more teams now then there used to be spending more, and more, which is not a good sign either.

 

Yep, a dozen teams had a higher payroll than the Sox last year.

[Old Red]

Yep, a dozen teams had a higher payroll than the Sox last year.

 

And for some not just a higher payroll, but a lot higher payroll, and that’s why I keep saying that things have changed just in the last 5 years, and I don’t know if JH will keep up with the change.

[Hugh2]

And on the other side there are a lot more teams now then there used to be spending more, and more, which is not a good sign either.

 

Exactly. I think John Henry tried to be the "smartest guy in the room" yet again and wanted to turn the franchise into what the Braves have done. And it failed miserably.

 

He should have been looking at what the LA Dodgers have done, even if you can't match them dime for dime on spending. Yes, they're glutonous pigs, but the still do an outstanding job at scouting players, fixing players, making trades, and despite picking at the end of the first round they do a good job of drafting and developing players.

 

Maybe he has changed his mind, and the ghost of christmas past came to visit him and reminded him of a time when he was a better owner, and the ghost of christmas present showed him all the angst he is causing in Sox nation. The real coup de grace was the ghost of christmas future, who hopefully showed him a bankrupt team with a completely empty stadium. A direct result from his frugalness.

Edited December 28, 2023 by A Red Sox fan named Hugh

[harmony]

For Snell to set the market for who? He and Montgomery are the only 2 starters left projected to get $100 mill or more.

MLB Trade Rumors speculates that Shota Imanaga could land a $100 million contract:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/the-opener-imanaga-white-sox-blue-jays.html

Edited December 28, 2023 by harmony

[moonslav59]

The main point was they didn’t spend up to the CBT, and all the money you mentioned was not all money added , but replacement money like for Bogey, JD, and Nate. You have always speculated they would Spend up to the CBT.

 

Many felt we’d spend up to the line within $1-2M. We spent under by $6M. That is close.

 

You said we didn’t spend, but we spent more than ever before, despite much being just replacing whatever we lost or extending what we had.

 

You acted like those who felt we’d spend up to or near the line were wrong. BTW, nobody claimed the Sox said they would.

[moonslav59]

This feels like a semantics battle.

 

Moon has clearly laid out that they spend money, they come close to the cap, reset, and every few years blow past it.

 

You have clearly laid out that how they spend the money really really sucks.

 

All of their big contracts have sucked, so far (last 5 years,) except maybe Devers.

 

Bloom spent a ton of money, last winter.

He spent it on the wrong areas and mostly the wrong players.

 

Up until the March of 22 signing of Story, the spending was a major issue. After that, it was poor choices by Bloom.

 

Now, it looks like we’re back to being misers.

[moonslav59]

And for some not just a higher payroll, but a lot higher payroll, and that’s why I keep saying that things have changed just in the last 5 years, and I don’t know if JH will keep up with the change.

 

But you are against almost ever big FA signing in MLB, then seem upset JH won’t spend.

[moonslav59]

MLB Trade Rumors speculates that Shota Imanaga could land a $100 million contract:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/the-opener-imanaga-white-sox-blue-jays.html

 

I’d give $100M/5 but JH won’t.

[Old Red]

But you are against almost ever big FA signing in MLB, then seem upset JH won’t spend.

 

I’m not upset at all in JH not opening his checkbook for any of these over priced FA this year at all, and I agree with not doing it.

[moonslav59]

I’m not upset at all in JH not opening his checkbook for any of these over priced FA this year at all, and I agree with not doing it.

 

You want him replaced. You are not upset. Ok.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I’m not upset at all in JH not opening his checkbook for any of these over priced FA this year at all, and I agree with not doing it.

 

Viewer discretion advised.

[moonslav59]

I’m not upset at all in JH not opening his checkbook for any of these over priced FA this year at all, and I agree with not doing it.

 

For once, try giving detailed suggestions on what we should do. Name players and return packages. Name inexpensive FAs you’d sign this winter.

 

Speaking in generalities is easy.

 

How about a detailed plan? Just once.

[moonslav59]

And like I keep saying that this is not the same JH that bought the ball club, so what he has done in the past has NOTHING to do with what he does now. It’s a lot different ballgame today then even 5 years ago, so when I keep hearing what JH did in the past has no relevance now, but keep thinking it does if it makes you feel better, and keep watching other clubs keep passing you by.

 

What he did in the past was hire a GM who valued the farm and spent big on free agents- both things you poo poo, now.

[Old Red]

For once, try giving detailed suggestions on what we should do. Name players and return packages. Name inexpensive FAs you’d sign this winter.

 

Speaking in generalities is easy.

 

How about a detailed plan? Just once.

 

We’ve gone through this many times that is what Slow Mo gets paid for to do. Unlike you I don’t predict, and speculate, and get it wrong every time like you do. Remember when you said the Red Sox couldn’t do Any Better than Kike for $10M? I have said repeatedly I want to trade some Red Sox position suspects, for some other team’s pitching suspects, and that would be up to Slow Mo to find them, and do it. I don’t really care if you like generalities, or not, or a non detailed plan.

[Old Red]

What he did in the past was hire a GM who valued the farm and spent big on free agents- both things you poo poo, now.

 

Spending big on FA now is a whole different ballgame then it was even going back to 2018.

[Old Red]

You want him replaced. You are not upset. Ok.

 

The key words was This Year when I said I wasn’t upset in JH not spending.

[Hugh2]

At this point in the offseason what are we really mad at?

 

That we didn't sign Ohtani to 700 million? or Yamamoto to 325 million?

Which, with what we know now, both those guys were intent on going to LA and using other teams to get the best deal. We would have had to blow them out of the water.

 

So are we angry we didn't sign Ohtani for 900 million and Yamamoto for 400? LOL

 

Next up. Are we complaining about not signing EROD or LUGO?

 

Every other guy in FA/TRADE is still out there. Every other team needing pitching hasn't made a move yet either. Baseballs offseason is slow, boring, and mundane.

 

Lets put our torches and pitchforks away until at least February, deal?????

[moonslav59]

We’ve gone through this many times that is what Slow Mo gets paid for to do. Unlike you I don’t predict, and speculate, and get it wrong every time like you do. Remember when you said the Red Sox couldn’t do Any Better than Kike for $10M? I have said repeatedly I want to trade some Red Sox position suspects, for some other team’s pitching suspects, and that would be up to Slow Mo to find them, and do it. I don’t really care if you like generalities, or not, or a non detailed plan.

 

You conflate suggestions as predictions. No matter how many times I point it out, you persist.

 

Again, nothing specific from you. Just pointing out others, who were specific, times they were wrong.

 

Rinse and repeat.

[Old Red]

You conflate suggestions as predictions. No matter how many times I point it out, you persist.

 

Again, nothing specific from you. Just pointing out others, who were specific, times they were wrong.

 

Rinse and repeat.

 

Like I said speculations run rampant on here, and now all the long faces, and pouting, and shouting (sham,sham, sham). Call it what you want, but it is quite amusing to watch, and listen to.🤭

[moonslav59]

At this point in the offseason what are we really mad at?

 

That we didn't sign Ohtani to 700 million? or Yamamoto to 325 million?

Which, with what we know now, both those guys were intent on going to LA and using other teams to get the best deal. We would have had to blow them out of the water.

 

So are we angry we didn't sign Ohtani for 900 million and Yamamoto for 400? LOL

 

Next up. Are we complaining about not signing EROD or LUGO?

 

Every other guy in FA/TRADE is still out there. Every other team needing pitching hasn't made a move yet either. Baseballs offseason is slow, boring, and mundane.

 

Let’s put our torches and pitchforks away until at least February, deal?????

 

The ERod and Gray contracts looked good. It looks like no Monty. I’m not even sure we will be a finalist on Stroman or Imanaga.

 

Giolito is another stab in the dark like Kluber, Richards and Paxton.

 

Sure we might make some trades that bring us good SPing but at the cost of many future hopes.

 

We have budget space- a lot of it, even if we stay $5-6M below the line. We are looking like a repeat of the last 2 off seasons. That is reason for deep concern, frustration or even anger, if some express it that way.