A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[moonslav59]

And it's been a bizarro roller coaster ever since.

 

Well, in some ways, those years were a bit of a rollercoaster ride, as well.

 

The 2011 season was one in itself.

 

Of course, we did not see the horrible seasons we've seen after Theo left, but his "rollercoasters" with within certain seasons.

 

I think Theo's worst season was 86 wins in 2006- right before the 2007 ring season.

[moonslav59]

Why must you wonder such things.

 

It's in my nature to wonder.

 

My guess is, they'd have signed Abreu and Yoshida with no Turner and Duvall. It might have meant no Jansen or Martin.

 

Had Nate said yes to the offer made, it's hard to know where we'd have spent the left over money.

 

I'll leave that for you to wonder about.

 

LOL

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by moonslav59

[Duran Is The Man]

And nobody on base. Yes, 1986 was a solid #2 to 1978 for me. And then 2003 was a solid #3.

 

same.

[Bellhorn04]

Well, in some ways, those years were a bit of a rollercoaster ride, as well.

 

The 2011 season was one in itself.

 

Of course, we did not see the horrible seasons we've seen after Theo left, but his "rollercoasters" with within certain seasons.

 

I think Theo's worst season was 86 wins in 2006- right before the 2007 ring season.

 

Theo's years were a relatively smooth rollercoaster in terms of W-L records. 2011 was ugly of course.

[sk7326]

Well, in some ways, those years were a bit of a rollercoaster ride, as well.

 

The 2011 season was one in itself.

 

Of course, we did not see the horrible seasons we've seen after Theo left, but his "rollercoasters" with within certain seasons.

 

I think Theo's worst season was 86 wins in 2006- right before the 2007 ring season.

 

I don't think this qualifies as a bizarro rollercoaster at all.

 

2002-2011 ... every single season they entered the season as some flavor of contender. They were remarkably consistent - 2006 and 2010 were the only seasons they did not hit 90 wins and both times they made big offseason moves afterwards. Now, while there has been a bizarro ability for the Red Sox to just be normal since 2011, I will say that most years there was some ex ante hope entering the season.

 

The thing now is 2021 and 2023 where the first two seasons since 1997 where I entered the season thinking "anything is possible, but I'm not sure I see a good team here". 2021 I was pleasantly surprised. 2023 I was not.

[mvp 78]

Theo's years were a relatively smooth rollercoaster in terms of W-L records. 2011 was ugly of course.

 

Even the dropoff in 05 and 06 was to be expected. 2011 was a disappointment, but I don't think the ballclub needed to be imploded afterwards. Clearly they were able to use that core and win a WS two years later with a worse manager.

[sk7326]

Even the dropoff in 05 and 06 was to be expected. 2011 was a disappointment, but I don't think the ballclub needed to be imploded afterwards. Clearly they were able to use that core and win a WS two years later with a worse manager.

 

Right. There were lots of reasons for 2011. But the biggest was the team flat ran out of pitchers. They were also decimated by injuries in 2012. 2013 in a lot of ways was as simple as their best players actually playing games and then an out of nowhere MVP-caliber season out of Victorino.

[notin]

Right. There were lots of reasons for 2011. But the biggest was the team flat ran out of pitchers. They were also decimated by injuries in 2012. 2013 in a lot of ways was as simple as their best players actually playing games and then an out of nowhere MVP-caliber season out of Victorino.

 

 

Not to mention the discovery that Uehara was an elite relief pitcher.

 

The 2013 did bring in a ton of free agents and they all had good seasons and contributed to that title run besides Victorino and Uehara. Napoli, Drew, Gomes and Dempster, with no one s signing on for more than 3 years…

[mvp 78]

Not to mention the discovery that Uehara was an elite relief pitcher.

 

The 2013 did bring in a ton of free agents and they all had good seasons and contributed to that title run besides Victorino and Uehara. Napoli, Drew, Gomes and Dempster, with no one s signing on for more than 3 years…

 

He was really good the 3 years before they acquired him. I think they just didn't put too much on him because he was older.

 

2010-12: 143 Innings, 181 K, 11.42 k/9, 1.07 bb/9, 2.40 ERA, 2.50 xFIP

[Bellhorn04]

Koji had a beautiful career.

 

Career WHIP of .89.

[mvp 78]

Right. There were lots of reasons for 2011. But the biggest was the team flat ran out of pitchers. They were also decimated by injuries in 2012. 2013 in a lot of ways was as simple as their best players actually playing games and then an out of nowhere MVP-caliber season out of Victorino.

 

Exactly. They just hand nobody to take the ball every fifth day. That September included the Andrew Miller starting pitcher experiment, Erik Bedard, Wakefield coasting to the finish line of his career, Kyle Weiland and an injured Lackey that needed TJS.

[harmony]

Texas lefthander Andrew Heaney reportedly chose the Rangers over the Red Sox last offseason:

 

 

MLB Trade Rumors speculates that the Red Sox could pursue Heaney again this winter if the southpaw opts out of his Texas contract.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/al-notes-red-sox-heaney-twins.html

[notin]

Texas lefthander Andrew Heaney reportedly chose the Rangers over the Red Sox last offseason:

 

 

MLB Trade Rumors speculates that the Red Sox could pursue Heaney again this winter if the southpaw opts out of his Texas contract.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/al-notes-red-sox-heaney-twins.html

 

 

He will come in handy if Sale gets lonely in the IL…

[sk7326]

Not to mention the discovery that Uehara was an elite relief pitcher.

 

The 2013 did bring in a ton of free agents and they all had good seasons and contributed to that title run besides Victorino and Uehara. Napoli, Drew, Gomes and Dempster, with no one s signing on for more than 3 years…

 

Napoli was excellent. Drew was solid defensively. They absolutely had good fortune there. But the biggest part of it was that Pedroia and Ellsbury were both healthy enough to be 5+ win players and Victorino of course was nuts. And Lester and Lackey were able to be a legitimately good 1-2 starting rotation, which they had been starved for.

[Bellhorn04]

Texas lefthander Andrew Heaney reportedly chose the Rangers over the Red Sox last offseason

 

There was a whole club of free agents that reportedly chose other teams over the Red Sox last offseason....

[Dipre]

There was a whole club of free agents that reportedly chose other teams over the Red Sox last offseason....

 

An entire starting rotation: Eovaldi, Wacha, Heaney, Elfin and Hill.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Texas lefthander Andrew Heaney reportedly chose the Rangers over the Red Sox last offseason:

 

 

MLB Trade Rumors speculates that the Red Sox could pursue Heaney again this winter if the southpaw opts out of his Texas contract.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/al-notes-red-sox-heaney-twins.html

 

Tough choice, if salary offers were similar (as reported the last time he signed):

 

... pitch for a last-place team in a region with months of raw, cold rain in the toughest division in the history of Red Sox forums...

 

... or pitch for a World Series contender in a division featuring baseball weather.

[Bellhorn04]

Tough choice, if salary offers were similar (as reported the last time he signed):

 

... pitch for a last-place team in a region with months of raw, cold rain in the toughest division in the history of Red Sox forums...

 

... or pitch for a World Series contender in a division featuring baseball weather.

 

Holy Oozing Sarcasm Batman!

[mvp 78]

Tough choice, if salary offers were similar (as reported the last time he signed):

 

... pitch for a last-place team in a region with months of raw, cold rain in the toughest division in the history of Red Sox forums...

 

... or pitch for a World Series contender in a division featuring baseball weather.

 

It was 108 degrees in Arlington TX on July 18th. Is that baseball weather?

[notin]

Tough choice, if salary offers were similar (as reported the last time he signed):

 

... pitch for a last-place team in a region with months of raw, cold rain in the toughest division in the history of Red Sox forums...

 

... or pitch for a World Series contender in a division featuring baseball weather.

 

Last week that weather was detrimental to pitching. This week it’s a selling point?

[dgalehouse]

Air conditioned stadium.

[harmony]

It was 108 degrees in Arlington TX on July 18th. Is that baseball weather?

The five MLB teams on the West Coast have the best baseball weather.

 

During the baseball season even Seattle averages less than half the precipitation of Boston or New York ... without the humidity.

Edited November 1, 2023 by harmony

[notin]

MLBTR has published their list of no - tender candidates based on their criteria.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/10/2023-non-tender-candidates.html

 

McGuire and Urias. No surprises there. I can see reasons for tendering them both an offer, and for non-tendering them both…

[Bellhorn04]

MLBTR has published their list of no - tender candidates based on their criteria.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/10/2023-non-tender-candidates.html

 

McGuire and Urias. No surprises there. I can see reasons for tendering them both an offer, and for non-tendering them both…

 

Why do they produce this ignominious list anyway? They might as well call it the Guys Who Suck So Bad They May Not Even Be Offered a Contract list.

[notin]

Why do they produce this ignominious list anyway? They might as well call it the Guys Who Suck So Bad They May Not Even Be Offered a Contract list.

 

Possibly because they’re entire business model is based on reporting sports transaction news?

 

And your rather cumbersome title is really not accurate. It’s simply a list of players whose projected arbitration salary exceeds their value to their current team, aka potential free agents. I mean, Cody Bellinger was non-tendered last year and he will be getting MVP votes this year…

[moonslav59]

Possibly because they’re entire business model is based on reporting sports transaction news?

 

And your rather cumbersome title is really not accurate. It’s simply a list of players whose projected arbitration salary exceeds their value to their current team, aka potential free agents. I mean, Cody Bellinger was non-tendered last year and he will be getting MVP votes this year…

 

I think Urias and McGuire will both be back with the Sox and playing a bunch of games in 2024.

 

Urias should beat out Reyes for 2B. EValdez is so bad on D, I'm not sure he plays much 2B in 2024.

[notin]

I think Urias and McGuire will both be back with the Sox and playing a bunch of games in 2024.

 

Urias should beat out Reyes for 2B. EValdez is so bad on D, I'm not sure he plays much 2B in 2024.

 

Certainly those are options. I just have no idea what direction Breslow will take the roster…

[Bellhorn04]

Possibly because they’re entire business model is based on reporting sports transaction news?

 

And your rather cumbersome title is really not accurate. It’s simply a list of players whose projected arbitration salary exceeds their value to their current team, aka potential free agents. I mean, Cody Bellinger was non-tendered last year and he will be getting MVP votes this year…

 

I know how it works. Just saying it's an indicator of recent suckitude. I know you roster fiends lap this stuff up. I was joking anyway. Kind of like the Seinfeld bit about rhinoplasty. Do we have to draw attention to the person's disfigurement like that?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The five MLB teams on the West Coast have the best baseball weather.

 

During the baseball season even Seattle averages less than half the precipitation of Boston or New York ... without the humidity.

 

You better have statistical metrics to back that up, or at least some of a few numerous miser ables will find at least one conjugated verb or dangling modifier in your post to reverse engineer, just to argue a point they didn't make because they have no takes at all except for the subjective realities that just formed at their fingertips from sneering at qualitative data that can never be proven right or wrong or left all write.

[moonslav59]

Certainly those are options. I just have no idea what direction Breslow will take the roster…

 

That's easy: he's going to keep the players he thinks are better.