A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Last week that weather was detrimental to pitching. This week it’s a selling point?

 

Nobody's selling -- not even Bloom at the deadline. Heaney chose to sign with Texas, and has had to work an entire additional month in uniform, compared to Red Sox pitchers.

[harmony]

You better have statistical metrics to back that up, or at least some of a few numerous miser ables will find at least one conjugated verb or dangling modifier in your post to reverse engineer, just to argue a point they didn't make because they have no takes at all except for the subjective realities that just formed at their fingertips from sneering at qualitative data that can never be proven right or wrong or left all write.

:confused:

https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/seattle/washington/united-states/uswa0844

 

https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/boston/massachusetts/united-states/usma0601

 

https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/new-york-jfk-intl-arpt/new-york/united-states/usny0999

[notin]

That's easy: he's going to keep the players he thinks are better.

 

It’s not even that easy, what with money complicating things…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

All the baseball sites projecting dollar amounts for free agent pitchers have Yamamoto landing a deal worth the combined equivalent of say, Montgomery/Gray/Lorenzen... (feel free to substitute Imanaga or ERod).

 

If we all know the Red Sox need many new reliable (consistently take the ball on regular turns) starting pitchers, we should expect a guy like Breslow to have already charted a rotation plan. Maybe it's to get Giolito and Flaherty at discounts and change hip/grip angles...

[oldtimer]

All the baseball sites projecting dollar amounts for free agent pitchers have Yamamoto landing a deal worth the combined equivalent of say, Montgomery/Gray/Lorenzen... (feel free to substitute Imanaga or ERod).

 

If we all know the Red Sox need many new reliable (consistently take the ball on regular turns) starting pitchers, we should expect a guy like Breslow to have already charted a rotation plan. Maybe it's to get Giolito and Flaherty at discounts and change hip/grip angles...

 

Somehow, we need to lose Kluber, Paxton, Sale and Jansen's contracts and maybe offer Houck as trade bait. That would free up money for two top quality starters and perhaps a different closer.

[Bellhorn04]

Somehow, we need to lose Kluber, Paxton, Sale and Jansen's contracts and maybe offer Houck as trade bait. That would free up money for two top quality starters and perhaps a different closer.

 

Kluber and Paxton are off the books. What's wrong with Jansen's contract?

[moonslav59]

Kluber and Paxton are off the books. What's wrong with Jansen's contract?

 

I'd be fine getting a younger, longer term closer, but yes, Jansen is fine.

 

At $16M/1, he's not a burden.

[notin]

All the baseball sites projecting dollar amounts for free agent pitchers have Yamamoto landing a deal worth the combined equivalent of say, Montgomery/Gray/Lorenzen... (feel free to substitute Imanaga or ERod).

 

If we all know the Red Sox need many new reliable (consistently take the ball on regular turns) starting pitchers, we should expect a guy like Breslow to have already charted a rotation plan. Maybe it's to get Giolito and Flaherty at discounts and change hip/grip angles...

 

Hey if the Rangers limited themselves to reliable starting pitching, they would have had no deGrom, no Eovaldi, no Heaney and no October…

[moonslav59]

Hey if the Rangers limited themselves to reliable starting pitching, they would have had no deGrom, no Eovaldi, no Heaney and no October…

 

How many available pitchers have very little injury history, these days?

[notin]

How many available pitchers have very little injury history, these days?

 

Sonny Gray and Charlie Morton. (Also Nola, Giolito and Snell, but how many do we need?)

Edited November 2, 2023 by notin

[mvp 78]

The five MLB teams on the West Coast have the best baseball weather.

 

During the baseball season even Seattle averages less than half the precipitation of Boston or New York ... without the humidity.

 

Boston rained like 15 of 17 weekend this summer. Just dreadful.

[mvp 78]

All the baseball sites projecting dollar amounts for free agent pitchers have Yamamoto landing a deal worth the combined equivalent of say, Montgomery/Gray/Lorenzen... (feel free to substitute Imanaga or ERod).

 

If we all know the Red Sox need many new reliable (consistently take the ball on regular turns) starting pitchers, we should expect a guy like Breslow to have already charted a rotation plan. Maybe it's to get Giolito and Flaherty at discounts and change hip/grip angles...

 

Total dollars aren’t the same as AAV.

[mvp 78]

I'd be fine getting a younger, longer term closer, but yes, Jansen is fine.

 

At $16M/1, he's not a burden.

 

Need to trade him at the deadline.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Hey if the Rangers limited themselves to reliable starting pitching, they would have had no deGrom, no Eovaldi, no Heaney and no October…

 

Sure, look how unreliable Eovaldi was in October -- and November!

[moonslav59]

Sonny Gray and Charlie Morton. (Also Nola, Giolito and Snell, but how many do we need?)

 

I just don't keep track of non Sox players that closely.

 

On Snell, if he's hardly every hurt, why does he only have over 24 GS'd 3 times in 7 years? (Over 27, twice.) I know he walks a lot of batters, so that keeps his IP'd down, but he's never gone over 181, and the Rays are famous for over-pitching their starters.

 

I'd like to see us sign Morton and Gray. Gray did miss a few starts in 21 & 22, but nothing major. Last 5 years:

31 of 32

11 of 12

26 of 32

24 of 32

32 of 32

That's only 8 missed starts in 5 seasons.

 

 

Nola has been a horse. He has not missed more than 1 GS in 6 straight seasons and had 27 in 2017. Giolito has 29+ GS'd for 5 straight years. (I'm counting 2020, since he missed no starts.)

 

If we get one of the top SP'ers on the market, I have suggested we go after Morton on a 1 year deal. It give the future budget some flexibilkity, but gives us a guy that should turn out much better than Kluber and Richards. Yes, at 2-3 times the cost, but I like the one year aspect. He has over 30 GS in 5 of the last 6 seasons and had 9 of 12 possible starts in 2020.

 

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

Need to trade him at the deadline.

 

I don't disagree, but he could lose value by getting hurt or sucking in 2024.

[sk7326]

Need to trade him at the deadline.

 

probably should have looked at trading him this past one

[moonslav59]

probably should have looked at trading him this past one

 

As it turned out, trading Jansen, Paxton, Duvall, Turner and maybe even Martin, would have really bolstered our future, even if just to give us more trade pieces for this winter.

 

(Note: I wanted us to be buyers, this past summer.)

[Bellhorn04]

Need to trade him at the deadline.

 

Hopefully not.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't disagree, but he could lose value by getting hurt or sucking in 2024.

 

Yes, anything could happen LOL

[Bellhorn04]

As it turned out, trading Jansen, Paxton, Duvall, Turner and maybe even Martin, would have really bolstered our future, even if just to give us more trade pieces for this winter.

 

Now we have not one but two years of missed fire sale opportunities to lament forever!

[moonslav59]

Yes, anything could happen LOL

 

It's unlikely he adds any value.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Now we have not one but two years of missed fire sale opportunities to lament forever!

 

Quick quiz: name the Red Sox' pitcher selected to the AL All-Star team the year after a famous curse was broken.

 

Hint: he wasn't called Pedro, DLowe, Schill, Wake, Back-to-Foulke or Wily Mo... and was not an embedded Yankee.

[Bellhorn04]

Quick quiz: name the Red Sox' pitcher selected to the AL All-Star team the year after a famous curse was broken.

 

Hint: he wasn't called Pedro, DLowe, Schill, Wake, Back-to-Foulke or Wily Mo... and was not an embedded Yankee.

 

Matt Clement?

[Bellhorn04]

It's unlikely he adds any value.

 

But it's possible, if he's on a hot streak in July.

[mvp 78]

Now we have not one but two years of missed fire sale opportunities to lament forever!

 

Plus them not trading Jansen in’24.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Matt Clement?

 

Close... Matt Lament!

[Old Red]

Need to trade him at the deadline.

 

Given up on 2024 already? The only reason you should trade him is if the Red Sox are sucking again, and are out of postseason contention. For the 3rd offseason in a row it’s fire sale talk, and trading pieces off, before the season even starts. Always worrying about the future, and getting more prospects instead of the present. Bloom’s gone, and I expect things to be better this year, and there will be no need for any sell offs at the trade deadline, and maybe doing some buying instead.🙈

[mvp 78]

Trade him at the deadline no matter what the standings say.

 

 

Am I the only poster that remembers that post and gets this reference?

[mvp 78]

Close... Matt Lament!

 

Good old One Eye! The One Hit Wonder! Old Squinty McGee!