Bloom fired

[mvp 78]

His "payroll management" was not the major reason we lost in '22. Other than the Story deal, he actually did pretty well with these deals:

$7M Wacha

$5M Hill

$3M Strahm

It would take near perfect hindsight signings to lead us to a playoff slot in 2022.

 

 

Weren't they only a few games out of the race at the deadline?

[notin]

Kiké was a net negative for the team. They would have been better off just putting the 10M in Henry's wallet and not spending it at all.

 

If they kept Kike in CF, he might have been worth it. The move to SS simply wasn’t. And we’re still waiting for Mondesi and his anticipated Red Sox debut…

[sk7326]

His "payroll management" was not the major reason we lost in '22. Other than the Story deal, he actually did pretty well with these deals:

$7M Wacha

$5M Hill

$3M Strahm

 

It would take near perfect hindsight signings to lead us to a playoff slot in 2022.

 

 

The team missed the playoffs by 8 games and fewer at the deadline. So it was not that far off. One would think Bloom's plan of replacing his production at the corners by the end of 2021 with betting on a half season of Bobby Dalbec platoon production and pixie dust was dicey at the time.

[harmony]

Weren't they only a few games out of the race at the deadline?

At the trade deadline in 2022 the Red Sox were 52-52, tied with the White Sox at .500 for the ninth-best record in the league, three games behind the final Wild Card slot:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/?date=2022-08-01

 

At the time FanGraphs gave the Red Sox a 28.8 percent chance of advancing to the postseason:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds?date=2022-08-01&dateDelta=

Edited October 24, 2023 by harmony

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If they kept Kike in CF, he might have been worth it. The move to SS simply wasn’t. And we’re still waiting for Mondesi and his anticipated Red Sox debut…

 

Mondesi will return after the next trade deadline. And the Sox will predict he'll be just as good as any other Mondesi they could acquire.

[mvp 78]

If they kept Kike in CF, he might have been worth it. The move to SS simply wasn’t. And we’re still waiting for Mondesi and his anticipated Red Sox debut…

 

I agree with the CF hot take.

[mvp 78]

At the trade deadline in 2022 the Red Sox were 52-52, tied with the White Sox at .500 for the ninth-best record in the league, three games behind the final Wild Card slot:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/?date=2022-08-01

 

At the time FanGraphs gave the Red Sox a 28.8 percent chance of advancing to the postseason:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds?date=2022-08-01&dateDelta=

 

So a couple of good signings would have fixed that then.

[Bellhorn04]

So a couple of good signings would have fixed that then.

 

Gausman in, Story and JBJ out etc.

 

I can do it if you give me a few minutes.

[Old Red]

If they kept Kike in CF, he might have been worth it. The move to SS simply wasn’t. And we’re still waiting for Mondesi and his anticipated Red Sox debut…

 

Kike couldn’t hit no matter where you played him, and didn’t the last two years in Boston. I would have rather had Duvall, or Duran in CF.

[moonslav59]

Kike couldn’t hit no matter where you played him, and didn’t the last two years in Boston. I would have rather had Duvall, or Duran in CF.

 

You would never have said :Duran," last summer, when we asked for names.

 

No mention of Duvall, either, until after the fact.

[notin]

Kike couldn’t hit no matter where you played him, and didn’t the last two years in Boston. I would have rather had Duvall, or Duran in CF.

 

Hitting is only part of the game.

 

Both Duvall and Duran were certainly better offensive players than Kike, but his defense in CF was simple game-changing…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Hitting is only part of the game.

 

Both Duvall and Duran were certainly better offensive players than Kike, but his defense in CF was simple game-changing…

 

I could say the same for Duvall and Duran in center...

 

(and Masa in left, Raffy at third, no one at second, Houses on first -- who did I miss? oh ya, any pitcher that has to throw to a pizza box)

[mvp 78]

Kike couldn’t hit no matter where you played him, and didn’t the last two years in Boston. I would have rather had Duvall, or Duran in CF.

 

There's no way you wanted the butterfly man in CF. No way.

[moonslav59]

There's no way you wanted the butterfly man in CF. No way.

 

It's easy to not be wrong, when you only give the names in hindsight.

[Old Red]

There's no way you wanted the butterfly man in CF. No way.

 

Didn’t he get better at chasing those butterflies? He hit a little bit too.

[Old Red]

Hitting is only part of the game.

 

Both Duvall and Duran were certainly better offensive players than Kike, but his defense in CF was simple game-changing…

You like those CF that can’t hit. You were one of the few that liked the JBJ trade.

[mvp 78]

While Bloom had no problem churning and burning through the Joel Payamps of the world, he could have claimed Adolis Garcia with a waiver claim in February 2021. I guess waiting for Danny Santana was more important.

[moonslav59]

Bloom was a big Oh for 3 on all of his $10M/1 deals. (Richards, Kike & Kluber.)

 

His $3-9M ones were much better:

($8.75M x 2 Martin '23-'24)

($7M x 2 Kike '21-'22)

($6M + $4M Paxton '22-'23)

$8.3M Turner (+ buyout)

$7M Wacha

$7M Duvall

$6.5M Perez '20 (not great but better than those 3 at $10M/1)

$5M Hill

$5M Perez '21

$4.3M Pillar

$4M x 2 Diekman (sucked, but we dumped his salary and got McGuire.)

$3.1M Renfroe

 

Not a great list, but certainly better than the $10M/1 and larger deals.

 

You get what you pay for, but Bloom did not do badly with these lower/mid-range deals at $3-9M.

[moonslav59]

While Bloom had no problem churning and burning through the Joel Payamps of the world, he could have claimed Adolis Garcia with a waiver claim in February 2021. I guess waiting for Danny Santana was more important.

 

What a score he was!

[mvp 78]

Bloom was a big Oh for 3 on all of his $10M/1 deals. (Richards, Kike & Kluber.)

 

His $3-9M ones were much better:

($8.75M x 2 Martin '23-'24)

($7M x 2 Kike '21-'22)

($6M + $4M Paxton '22-'23)

$8.3M Turner (+ buyout)

$7M Wacha

$7M Duvall

$6.5M Perez '20 (not great but better than those 3 at $10M/1)

$5M Hill

$5M Perez '21

$4.3M Pillar

$4M x 2 Diekman (sucked, but we dumped his salary and got McGuire.)

$3.1M Renfroe

 

Not a great list, but certainly better than the $10M/1 and larger deals.

 

You get what you pay for, but Bloom did not do badly with these lower/mid-range deals at $3-9M.

 

Sorry, but Perez SUCKED while he was here. Diekman was terrible as well and trading him after the fact doesn't make it a better signing. Pillar was ok in a small sample, but was never good enough to bring back even at 3M last year. If they don't sign the dumb Paxton contract, they never go over the CBT in 2022.

[moonslav59]

Sorry, but Perez SUCKED while he was here. Diekman was terrible as well and trading him after the fact doesn't make it a better signing. Pillar was ok in a small sample, but was never good enough to bring back even at 3M last year. If they don't sign the dumb Paxton contract, they never go over the CBT in 2022.

 

Okay- two sucked. That beats 3 for 3 sucking at $10M and not very good with all contracts at $10M or more.

[moonslav59]

Diekman was terrible as well and trading him after the fact doesn't make it a better signing.

 

Did we end up paying Diekman $3M, which was my cutoff?

[mvp 78]

Did we end up paying Diekman $3M, which was my cutoff?

 

I don't care about your cutoff, just that you were trying to justify the signing as good.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom was a big Oh for 3 on all of his $10M/1 deals. (Richards, Kike & Kluber.)

 

His $3-9M ones were much better:

($8.75M x 2 Martin '23-'24)

($7M x 2 Kike '21-'22)

($6M + $4M Paxton '22-'23)

$8.3M Turner (+ buyout)

$7M Wacha

$7M Duvall

$6.5M Perez '20 (not great but better than those 3 at $10M/1)

$5M Hill

$5M Perez '21

$4.3M Pillar

$4M x 2 Diekman (sucked, but we dumped his salary and got McGuire.)

$3.1M Renfroe

 

Not a great list, but certainly better than the $10M/1 and larger deals.

 

You get what you pay for, but Bloom did not do badly with these lower/mid-range deals at $3-9M.

 

He was a good guy to send to Wal-Mart for sure.

[moonslav59]

I don't care about your cutoff, just that you were trying to justify the signing as good.

 

I said "good?"

 

I literally used the words "sucked.:

 

$4M x 2 Diekman (sucked, but we dumped his salary and got McGuire.)

 

He minimized how much the signing sucked by trading him, and the final results ended up being about $3M spent on his s***** work, here.

[moonslav59]

He was a good guy to send to Wal-Mart for sure.

 

I caught flack for hating the signing day one.

[mvp 78]

I said "good?"

 

I literally used the words "sucked.:

 

$4M x 2 Diekman (sucked, but we dumped his salary and got McGuire.)

 

He minimized how much the signing sucked by trading him, and the final results ended up being about $3M spent on his s***** work, here.

 

The BUT was doing a lot of heavy lifting to justify the signing there...

[mvp 78]

Bloom "didn't do badly" with the Diekman signing.

[notin]

Bloom "didn't do badly" with the Diekman signing.

 

Right. The Bloom signing part was fine. The Diekman pitching part was a complete nightmare…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Right. The Bloom signing part was fine. The Diekman pitching part was a complete nightmare…

 

So Bloom was either giving him the finger or thumbs down. Or was Chaim running his finger across his throat during a staredown...