Bloom fired

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I was just a teen in the 70's so that hit me harder than it should have, but man, I was excited and engaged in the team. We had a lot of talent to be excited about. After the purge of Fisk, Lynn, Burly and others, there were some fun teams, but not close to the 70's. Clemens and Boggs was about it for 20 years.

 

I still watched just about every inning of every game I could, but the failures were way worse than now.

 

Bloom's record is close to .500. Ben's was not as bad as some in the 80's and 90's.

 

There is bad and there is awful.

 

I've been watching just as long, and I am adamant that there has been no worse pitching and no worse defense than what we suffered through in the Bloom Era.

 

The 2020 club had the worst ERA in team history. The bullpen had more blown saves 2019-2022 than any Red Sox team ever. The rotation threw less quality starts in each of the past four years than any other Sox staff in any season the past 100 years.

 

Argue all you want about how the game has changed and how stats are deceiving, but numbers aren't opinions.

 

As for defense, no data can do justice to the injustices we witnessed in 2023, because nobody knows for sure how many actual "errors" official scorers made on plays they somehow ruled as "hits" -- when we all know what we saw were called Es the past 100 years.

[Dipre]

I've been watching just as long, and I am adamant that there has been no worse pitching and no worse defense than what we suffered through in the Bloom Era.

 

The 2020 club had the worst ERA in team history. The bullpen had more blown saves 2019-2022 than any Red Sox team ever. The rotation threw less quality starts in each of the past four years than any other Sox staff in any season the past 100 years.

 

Argue all you want about how the game has changed and how stats are deceiving, but numbers aren't opinions.

 

As for defense, no data can do justice to the injustices we witnessed in 2023, because nobody knows for sure how many actual "errors" official scorers made on plays they somehow ruled as "hits" -- when we all know what we saw were called Es the past 100 years.

 

You mean the absolutely worse possible way to measure defense.

[moonslav59]

I've been watching just as long, and I am adamant that there has been no worse pitching and no worse defense than what we suffered through in the Bloom Era.

 

The 2020 club had the worst ERA in team history. The bullpen had more blown saves 2019-2022 than any Red Sox team ever. The rotation threw less quality starts in each of the past four years than any other Sox staff in any season the past 100 years.

 

 

 

If you blame Bloom for 2020, I can't say anything.

 

The budget was slashed. Sale and ERod missed the whole season.

 

Baming Bloom for that is beyond discussing, IMO.

[moonslav59]

 

As for defense, no data can do justice to the injustices we witnessed in 2023, because nobody knows for sure how many actual "errors" official scorers made on plays they somehow ruled as "hits" -- when we all know what we saw were called Es the past 100 years.

It's even worse than this.

 

There were dozens of plays that should not or would not have been called errors in the past, but most other teams make.

 

This team's D was beyond the worst of the worst I have ever seen. That's mostly on Bloom.

 

I do think he left a better defensive team for the next guy than we had all year.

 

Yoshi to DH.

Story healthy.

Rafaela in the fold.

Duran in LF not CF.

Urias & Reyes at 2B and back up 3B and SS.

Hopefully, Casas, Wong and McGuire a year more experienced (and improved.)

 

[Old Red]

I think the plan was 5, but they buckled and had to throw blame on someone. It will never be JH who accepts the blame.

 

Sox Nation was not going to accept status quo. They barely accepted Bloom being given year 4.

 

I give JH an F for hiring Bloom in the first place, and another F for not even interviewing anyone else.

[moonslav59]

I give JH an F for hiring Bloom in the first place, and another F for not even interviewing anyone else.

 

Tell us something we don't already know.

[Dipre]

I give JH an F for hiring Bloom in the first place, and another F for not even interviewing anyone else.

 

This take is so hot we have to handle it with oven mitts.

[mvp 78]

1972 to 2003 brought a whole lot of pain.

 

Any pain we experience now is mild by comparison.

 

Hell, we all kind of shrugged off 2011...

 

LOL wut?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I've been watching just as long, and I am adamant that there has been no worse pitching and no worse defense than what we suffered through in the Bloom Era.

 

The 2020 club had the worst ERA in team history. The bullpen had more blown saves 2019-2022 than any Red Sox team ever. The rotation threw less quality starts in each of the past four years than any other Sox staff in any season the past 100 years.

 

 

 

If you blame Bloom for 2020, I can't say anything.

 

The budget was slashed. Sale and ERod missed the whole season.

 

Baming Bloom for that is beyond discussing, IMO.

 

Don't know how anyone could possibly place blame on the chief officer of a ballclub that finishes 5th out of 5 teams in their division in 75 percent of the years he's in charge.

 

Glad this is beyond discussion and there will be no more words on the topic, ever again.

[Bellhorn04]

LOL wut?

 

OK maybe I was pushing it a bit, but I don't think 2011 gets remembered by most Sox fans as the kind of Greek tragedy 1978 was. Because we now had won it all twice, and the fallout from 2011 actually led to another title in 2013. Just my take.

[Bellhorn04]

The Globe writers, including even Shank, were fair to Bloom in that they didn't just put the blame on him, but made it clear the owners are to blame too.

[Old Red]

OK maybe I was pushing it a bit, but I don't think 2011 gets remembered by most Sox fans as the kind of Greek tragedy 1978 was. Because we now had won it all twice, and the fallout from 2011 actually led to another title in 2013. Just my take.

 

That’s because lots of people like chicken, and beer.

[moonslav59]

 

Don't know how anyone could possibly place blame on the chief officer of a ballclub that finishes 5th out of 5 teams in their division in 75 percent of the years he's in charge.

 

Glad this is beyond discussion and there will be no more words on the topic, ever again.

 

I was clearly talking about 2020 only. No need to twist it into something I never said or believe in.

 

Bloom deserves blame and credit for 2021, 2022 and 2023 and the foundation and farm he is passing along.

 

Blaming Bloom for the 2020 rotation is absurd.

[Old Red]

O’Halloran accepts Exec VP of baseball ops today. Kennedy already has said they expect Cora to be back as Red Sox manger. Sounds like an inside job coming to new GM, or whatever title they give him. If not it’s nice that the Red Sox have already filled some positions for him.

[notin]

OK maybe I was pushing it a bit, but I don't think 2011 gets remembered by most Sox fans as the kind of Greek tragedy 1978 was. Because we now had won it all twice, and the fallout from 2011 actually led to another title in 2013. Just my take.

 

The 1978 “collapse” is the most overblown story in the history of Boston sports. That team won 99 games, fifth most in franchise history and second most since 1946, played at a .525 clip while “collapsing” and were the team that actually had to come back to force the 163rd game. The Yankees just played an unbelievable second half that year, much like Boston did for the first half…

[notin]

I've been watching just as long, and I am adamant that there has been no worse pitching and no worse defense than what we suffered through in the Bloom Era.

 

The 2020 club had the worst ERA in team history. The bullpen had more blown saves 2019-2022 than any Red Sox team ever. The rotation threw less quality starts in each of the past four years than any other Sox staff in any season the past 100 years.

 

Argue all you want about how the game has changed and how stats are deceiving, but numbers aren't opinions.

 

As for defense, no data can do justice to the injustices we witnessed in 2023, because nobody knows for sure how many actual "errors" official scorers made on plays they somehow ruled as "hits" -- when we all know what we saw were called Es the past 100 years.

 

More blown saves is going to be a trend, considering it’s not indicative of any sort of ninth inning failure. (Also a blown save isn’t necessarily a loss. What was the Sox record in those games?) We’ve seen pitchers get credited with blown saves as early as the fifth inning.

 

In this day of reduced starter workload, 8 man bullpens, and the opener strategy, the blown save compared to previous years is a useless stat. Might as well compare DH numbers on NL teams from this year to those from 20 years ago…

[mvp 78]

The Globe writers, including even Shank, were fair to Bloom in that they didn't just put the blame on him, but made it clear the owners are to blame too.

 

CHB blamed the owners?!?!? OMG!!!

[mvp 78]

OK maybe I was pushing it a bit, but I don't think 2011 gets remembered by most Sox fans as the kind of Greek tragedy 1978 was. Because we now had won it all twice, and the fallout from 2011 actually led to another title in 2013. Just my take.

 

I agree that 2011 doesn’t measure to 1978. I think 2003, 1986 and 1978 are all kind of in a similar boat.

[MANNYHOF24]

It’d be fun if we could pitch and catch the ball again. This team has become a total snooze fest for 3 of the last 4 years.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

 

 

Blaming Bloom for the 2020 rotation is absurd.

 

In 2020, new Red Sox Chief Baseball Officer Chaim Bloom acquired or promoted 20 new pitchers -- including three position players -- who threw at least one pitch. His pitching staff had the worst team ERA in franchise history.

 

Perez, Mazza, Godley, Valdez, Brice, Springs, Osich, Covey, Kickham, Stock, Hart, Hall, Triggs, Leyer, Tapia, Houck, Pivetta, Lin, Plawecki, Peraza.

[Hugh2]

In 2020, new Red Sox Chief Baseball Officer Chaim Bloom acquired or promoted 20 new pitchers -- including three position players -- who threw at least one pitch. His pitching staff had the worst team ERA in franchise history.

 

Perez, Mazza, Godley, Valdez, Brice, Springs, Osich, Covey, Kickham, Stock, Hart, Hall, Triggs, Leyer, Tapia, Houck, Pivetta, Lin, Plawecki, Peraza.

 

Not sure what else he could have done In 2020, that was his first team, and it wasn’t his team. He was also operating under the directive that came with the position. While that may be an excuse for some people, I think the criticism of Blooms inability to build a pitching staff becomes a little more justified the closer we get to present day.

 

But that just proves how desperate he was with what was given to him.

 

First year on the job; he couldn’t sign anyone, and he couldn’t trade for anyone. Although he did get Piveta for a bag of balls.

[Bellhorn04]

The 1978 “collapse” is the most overblown story in the history of Boston sports. That team won 99 games, fifth most in franchise history and second most since 1946, played at a .525 clip while “collapsing” and were the team that actually had to come back to force the 163rd game. The Yankees just played an unbelievable second half that year, much like Boston did for the first half…

 

The 1978 Red Sox had a great team, with 4 future HOFers and 2 borderliners (Tiant and Evans).

 

They started 62-28 (.689) and finished 37-36 (.507).

 

They played the Yankees 8 times from September 7 to October 2 and lost 7 of them.

 

If you want to characterize this as something other than a collapse, hey, no one can stop you.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Not sure what else he could have done In 2020, that was his first team, and it wasn’t his team. He was also operating under the directive that came with the position. While that may be an excuse for some people, I think the criticism of Blooms inability to build a pitching staff becomes a little more justified the closer we get to present day.

 

But that just proves how desperate he was with what was given to him.

 

First year on the job; he couldn’t sign anyone, and he couldn’t trade for anyone. Although he did get Piveta for a bag of balls.

 

The guy knew what he was getting into when he accepted the job. He even told us the truth when he said the Red Sox weren't going to be as good. And he did sign, trade for or add 20 new players who pitched for Boston in 2020 on a pitching staff with the worst Earned Run Average in franchise history -- that's 120 years. And it happened on his watch.

[Bellhorn04]

The guy knew what he was getting into when he accepted the job. He even told us the truth when he said the Red Sox weren't going to be as good. And he did sign, trade for or add 20 new players who pitched for Boston in 2020 on a pitching staff with the worst Earned Run Average in franchise history -- that's 120 years. And it happened on his watch.

 

2020 was a little different though, you must admit. It was only 60 games and there were players missing because of COVID. It was the ideal year to tank.

[Hugh2]

2020 was a little different though, you must admit. It was only 60 games and there were players missing because of COVID. It was the ideal year to tank.

 

A little? A lotta. On top of what you said.

 

He was just mandated with slashing payroll so he couldnt sign free agent pitchers, despite losing Porcello to free agency and Sale to Injury and was mandated with trading Price.

 

He couldn’t trade for a guy because he had the worse farm and was just asked to build it not spend it.

 

Can’t develop a pitcher in a month.

 

Then EROD opted out of the season. Dude lost 4/5 of a rotation.

 

Sports aside, 2020 should just be stricken from the history books and never talked about again

[notin]

The 1978 Red Sox had a great team, with 4 future HOFers and 2 borderliners (Tiant and Evans).

 

They started 62-28 (.689) and finished 37-36 (.507).

 

They played the Yankees 8 times from September 7 to October 2 and lost 7 of them.

 

If you want to characterize this as something other than a collapse, hey, no one can stop you.

 

They had an unbelievable first half, but it’s only a collapse if you actually anticipated 112 wins.

[Bellhorn04]

They had an unbelievable first half, but it’s only a collapse if you actually anticipated 112 wins.

 

And losing 7 out of 8 to the Yankees in September/October?

[notin]

And losing 7 out of 8 to the Yankees in September/October?

 

Is that really a historic collapse? That’s two bad series. That type thing literally happens every year to some team…

[Bellhorn04]

Is that really a historic collapse? That’s two bad series. That type thing literally happens every year to some team…

 

They had a 14 game lead on the Yankees in July and they lost it all.

 

I think it was a historic collapse, yes.

 

Like I say, if you choose to see it otherwise, nobody can stop you.

[notin]

They had a 14 game lead on the Yankees in July and they lost it all.

 

I think it was a historic collapse, yes.

 

Like I say, if you choose to see it otherwise, nobody can stop you.

 

The thing why I just sing is because it has more to do with the Yankees winning than the Sox losing. And that was how it differed from 2011…