Bloom fired

[Old Red]

But if they really wanted seriously to contend this year, why did they also want to stay under the CBT?

 

I think they're full of s***, that's all...

You didn’t like Sam the WallMart greeter giving the company speel yesterday?

[Bellhorn04]

I almost don't want it to be Eddie Romero, because I like Eddie Romero and if he becomes the new CBO/GM it might be a death sentence to his tenure here in Boston at some point. If they think a guy like Eddie is ready, they better be ready to commit to him long-term.

 

He'd get his 4 years like everyone else...

[mvp 78]

That would be interesting.

 

If you had to make the call, on the spot, right now: who is our next CBO/GM?

 

If I was hiring:

CBO Brandon Gomes

 

Kennedy:

CBO Cora

GM Romero

 

Henry:

CBO Mike Hazen

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Also, are Eddie Romero and Alex Cora being considered as internal candidates for the CBO/GM positions?

 

Sham Kennedy did cryptically mention there were two openings -- maybe because they renamed O'Halloran's title.

 

Scam Kennedy also refused to answer a reporter's query on whether Cora was a candidate... the only thing he did for sure was rule out Theo.

 

But since the speaker lies for a living, maybe we can't rule out an Epstein return.

[mvp 78]

I almost don't want it to be Eddie Romero, because I like Eddie Romero and if he becomes the new CBO/GM it might be a death sentence to his tenure here in Boston at some point. If they think a guy like Eddie is ready, they better be ready to commit to him long-term.

 

They've said it's TWO open positions possibly: CBO and GM.

[mvp 78]

Sham Kennedy did cryptically mention there were two openings -- maybe because they renamed O'Halloran's title.

 

Scam Kennedy also refused to answer a reporter's query on whether Cora was a candidate... the only thing he did for sure was rule out Theo.

 

But since the speaker lies for a living, maybe we can't rule out an Epstein return.

 

They probably asked Theo and he noped.

[mvp 78]

Sham Kennedy did cryptically mention there were two openings -- maybe because they renamed O'Halloran's title.

 

Scam Kennedy also refused to answer a reporter's query on whether Cora was a candidate... the only thing he did for sure was rule out Theo.

 

But since the speaker lies for a living, maybe we can't rule out an Epstein return.

 

Yes.

[notin]

The timing is obviously questionable. If this was true it would have came out when it happened.

 

Unless it's true and was just leaked. So maybe it's not true, maybe it's but the lesson in that last sentence is THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY LEAKED. True or false the spin machine is in full effect in Boston.

 

I have thought of a scenario where the rumor makes sense.

 

What if the team willing to take Sale was the Nationals and the trade was for Strasburg and his whole contract? Or to the Tigers for Miguel Cabrera and his whole contract? Or for Bumgarner or Giancarlo Stanton?

 

I suppose those scenarios are believable…

[Old Red]

Good points.

 

I do think the comments about Bloom trading Betts was a major throwing him under the bus move.

 

It had to be an organizational choice made.

Let’s remember there are reports out there that said Bloom was never told he had to trade Betts to stay under the CBT, but Bloom did it anyway. This was all discussed on here a few weeks back, and yes the reports were cited.

[mvp 78]

But if they really wanted seriously to contend this year, why did they also want to stay under the CBT?

 

I think they're full of s***, that's all...

 

You could do both if you fix the rotation and don't load up on DH's.

[mvp 78]

Let’s remember there are reports out there that said Bloom was never told he had to trade Betts to stay under the CBT, but Bloom did it anyway. This was all discussed on here a few weeks back, and yes the reports were cited.

 

How was the turnip truck today?

[mvp 78]

I have thought of a scenario where the rumor makes sense.

 

What if the team willing to take Sale was the Nationals and the trade was for Strasburg and his whole contract? Or to the Tigers for Miguel Cabrera and his whole contract? Or for Bumgarner or Giancarlo Stanton?

 

I suppose those scenarios are believable…

 

No, it was to clear salary not to take on different salary. C'mon... Now you're just making up a whole new story. It was for prospects only. This was leaked from the other team. I also may have been off about the timing. It was LAST YEAR after he broke his hand, so the salary forgiveness was 50M!!! Sox would have gotten under the CBT.

Edited September 15, 2023 by mvp 78

[Bellhorn04]

You could do both if you fix the rotation and don't load up on DH's.

 

And I'm not letting Bloom off the hook. But there's a logical disconnect here. Were they rebuilding and controlling payroll or what the f*** were they doing? I'm not sure Henry knows what he wants anymore.

[notin]

Let’s remember there are reports out there that said Bloom was never told he had to trade Betts to stay under the CBT, but Bloom did it anyway. This was all discussed on here a few weeks back, and yes the reports were cited.

 

He didn’t have to trade Betts to stay under the CBT.

 

But that still doesn’t change that Betts had one year left and refused to sign an extension. And some reports have those extensions up to a $30mill AAV…

[Bellhorn04]

He didn’t have to trade Betts to stay under the CBT.

 

But that still doesn’t change that Betts had one year left and refused to sign an extension. And some reports have those extensions up to a $30mill AAV…

 

Which Mookie, who unlike us should know, has now flat-out denied, to add to the intrigue.

[Hugh2]

He'd get his 4 years like everyone else...

 

That's fair, but if he does Blooms bidding and then gets thrown under the bus and the organization loses a highly talented guy I'm going to be pissed.

 

At a certain point there's value in continuity, and having a mass exodus of talent can have long-term implications.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Also, are Eddie Romero and Alex Cora being considered as internal candidates for the CBO/GM positions?

 

The oft-repeated company line the past four years about moves the Red Sox didn't make is that they didn't "make sense."

 

Would a Cora/Romero combo at the top the organization make sense? Both have connections or have been active in Latin-America communities beyond just the Caribbean, and would seem to have an edge over others in the recruitment of international prospects -- possibly the deepest pool of baseball talent not controlled by the amateur draft.

[Hugh2]

They've said it's TWO open positions possibly: CBO and GM.

 

So, I suppose O'Hallaran really is moving to another position. Not GM, not CBO then.

[sk7326]

I almost don't want it to be Eddie Romero, because I like Eddie Romero and if he becomes the new CBO/GM it might be a death sentence to his tenure here in Boston at some point. If they think a guy like Eddie is ready, they better be ready to commit to him long-term.

 

He has a better chance at patience from ownership - simply because the press is writing more about the Red Sox' impatience. One thing we do know is that ownership sees the ticket receipts and negative press - often too much so.

[Hugh2]

I have thought of a scenario where the rumor makes sense.

 

What if the team willing to take Sale was the Nationals and the trade was for Strasburg and his whole contract? Or to the Tigers for Miguel Cabrera and his whole contract? Or for Bumgarner or Giancarlo Stanton?

 

I suppose those scenarios are believable…

 

People under estimate how desperate teams get.

 

Pitchers losing a year and coming from TJ is so common nowadays that we have to look at it minus the lens of our own biases.

 

It's perfectly believable a team could have thought they were buying low and could get a highly talented guy like Chris Sale for next to nothing.

[Old Red]

How was the turnip truck today?

 

The question should be who is driving the turnip truck? JH, Tom, Sam, or Bloom?

[sk7326]

The oft-repeated company line the past four years about moves the Red Sox didn't make is that they didn't "make sense."

 

Would a Cora/Romero combo at the top the organization make sense? Both have connections or have been active in Latin-America communities beyond just the Caribbean, and would seem to have an edge over others in the recruitment of international prospects -- possibly the deepest pool of baseball talent not controlled by the amateur draft.

 

It is not the most obviously good choice out there - doesn't mean that it's wrong. What I'd say is that Cora is clearly a bright guy who has a lot of experience in baseball, and his media savviness would be a help. The other thing is that ownership trusts him - and given how flightly Henry has been, that counts for a lot.

[Hugh2]

Let’s remember there are reports out there that said Bloom was never told he had to trade Betts to stay under the CBT, but Bloom did it anyway. This was all discussed on here a few weeks back, and yes the reports were cited.

 

I don't believe those reports for one second, that's the first thing he did and Henry let him live here for another 4 whole freaking years.

 

If that is true, then it's on Henry that he kept him on for 4 years after trading Betts.

 

Everything coming out now has to be taken with a massive grain of salt. There's no way Betts got traded without Henry's approval, he also may have been traded because Henry wouldn't allow the money it would have taken to resign Betts.

 

There's no way Betts can not be on Henry.

[Bellhorn04]

He has a better chance at patience from ownership - simply because the press is writing more about the Red Sox' impatience. One thing we do know is that ownership sees the ticket receipts and negative press - often too much so.

 

They've sacked 3 guys in a row after 4 years. Bloom was the guy I thought they might be patient with. I think we can all forget about patience now.

[Hugh2]

Today I'm starting to see the forest for the trees, I find some of these reports troublesome and I'm certain there are elements of truth to all of them. But it just reaks of BS and Smear and Spin from the Sox front office.

[sk7326]

He didn’t have to trade Betts to stay under the CBT.

 

But that still doesn’t change that Betts had one year left and refused to sign an extension. And some reports have those extensions up to a $30mill AAV…

 

Betts wanted to get into the open market - and the Sox were not interested in that. It's their prerogative - but the bottom line was a deep pocketed franchise made a panic trade of the sort of player a big pocketed franchise flat doesn't lose.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't believe those reports for one second, that's the first thing he did and Henry let him live here for another 4 whole freaking years.

 

If that is true, then it's on Henry that he kept him on for 4 years after trading Betts.

 

Everything coming out now has to be taken with a massive grain of salt. There's no way Betts got traded without Henry's approval, he also may have been traded because Henry wouldn't allow the money it would have taken to resign Betts.

 

There's no way Betts can not be on Henry.

 

Agreed.

[Bellhorn04]

Today I'm starting to see the forest for the trees, I find some of these reports troublesome and I'm certain there are elements of truth to all of them. But it just reaks of BS and Smear and Spin from the Sox front office.

 

And very predictable.

[mvp 78]

And I'm not letting Bloom off the hook. But there's a logical disconnect here. Were they rebuilding and controlling payroll or what the f*** were they doing? I'm not sure Henry knows what he wants anymore.

 

They had like 90M to spend and still be under the CBT. That was enough to field a competitive team. He couldn't find a SS. He couldn't build a rotation. They spent 30M on Duvall/Yoshida/Turner and it didn't really work out. Part of it was trying to make up for errors BLOOM made in 2022 (going over the CBT, signing an injured Story).

[sk7326]

They've sacked 3 guys in a row after 4 years. Bloom was the guy I thought they might be patient with. I think we can all forget about patience now.

 

You are probably right. It is a weird thing. Like, I think it makes sense for them to hire somebody who has experience here ... but if ownership is going to use the dude as a human shield for any sort of downturn, word probably gets around.

 

Bloom was probably the most justified of the sackings - though he was also dealt the worst hand by far.