Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[notin]

F’n stupid question? You mean like you asking if the Red Sox signed JT for the bench? I don’t care about BTV just like I don’t care about analytics. There is nothing wrong with that just like there isn’t anything wrong with the people who do. All I’ve asked is when was the last time a suggested BTV trade on here actually happened?

Who said anything about Bloom, and Henry posted on here. The point being it would be more fun being a Red Sox fan if Bloom, and JH did a better job, so the Red Sox would be a winning team who got into the postseason.

 

Not to mention, baseball fans have been suggesting trades probably since 1870. Most falling into the “if we send Team A enough garbage players, they will give us their superstar” category (highlighted in Seinfeld with George’s famous “I figured out how we can get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn’t have to give up that much” episode). Over 99.9999999999999999% of those trades never happened. So should fans have simply stopped suggesting trades?

[notin]

There were folks who said last season's Red Sox were " fun to watch " . Really. They actually said that.

 

Didn’t like those early series against Toronto and New York?

[Old Red]

No one cares if you like BTV or not. Like analytics they exist and your attempts to discredit them are ridiculous. That the trades don’t happen is irrelevant. You listen to Felger and Mazz - two guys who thought the Sox could acquire Juan Soto 18 months ago without giving up any good prospects. When was the last time they suggested (not reported, suggested) any trade that actually happened?

 

What gets posted on this board is often irrelevant to the performance of the team. Go back to 2018 and find me the “Yeah happy day to be a Sox fan” thread…

I don’t care who likes BTV either. I have never tried to discredit analytics one time. What I have ALWAYS said is that I don’t need analytics, so f that’s what you call discrediting then I’m guilty.On the other hand more than one on here has tried with no success to discredit me of only needing the old times stats, and the good old eye test. That’s a fact.

Another thing that cracks me up is how you guys go off every time Felger, and Mazz, Tomase, or Shaugnessy is mentioned like you know more than they do. If all of them read some of what you guys put out on here they most likely would go off on you guys too.

[Bellhorn04]

Until Breslow actually does something, there's not much to talk about except pipe dreams and 40 man roster tinkering.

[Old Red]

Until Breslow actually does something, there's not much to talk about except pipe dreams and 40 man roster tinkering.

 

It’s even slow in getting a pitching, and 3B coach.

[notin]

Until Breslow actually does something, there's not much to talk about except pipe dreams and 40 man roster tinkering.

 

Obviously we only care about Breslow, but the whole league is at a standstill. The biggest name to change uniforms so far is Mark Canha…

[moonslav59]

I'm not sure he would need to play 140 for me. Granted it's a lot of money for someone who has had to deal with being banged up recently. But - and yes it is a big one - It is Mike Trout. I just happen to think that the franchise has to make at least one or two deals like this just to show us that there really is going to be an effort to get things back to where they should be.

 

Trout has played an average of 79 games in the past 3 years- in peak prime years.

 

Now, he's over 32.

 

I'm all for making a super strong effort to get this team back into the mix. I just don't think going for shiny pieces is the way to do it. It might put more Sox fans in the stands or watching on TV, but my idea is to go for more reliable players, even if they are not as "shiny" as players like Trout.

[notin]

I don’t care who likes BTV either. I have never tried to discredit analytics one time. What I have ALWAYS said is that I don’t need analytics, so f that’s what you call discrediting then I’m guilty.On the other hand more than one on here has tried with no success to discredit me of only needing the old times stats, and the good old eye test. That’s a fact.

Another thing that cracks me up is how you guys go off every time Felger, and Mazz, Tomase, or Shaugnessy is mentioned like you know more than they do. If all of them read some of what you guys put out on here they most likely would go off on you guys too.

 

So the selling point is professional and paid sports personalities like Felger, Mazz and Tomase is they might put out more educated viewpoints than a bunch of random individual all from varying non-sports backgrounds? Gee, I never thought of looking at it in that remarkably oversimplified and completely irrelevant way.

 

Silly us, expecting our sportswriters to be accurate, informed and honest. All that we should expect is they spew garbage at a slower rate than any randomly chosen citizen…

[Old Red]

So the selling point is professional and paid sports personalities like Felger, Mazz and Tomase is they might put out more educated viewpoints than a bunch of random individual all from varying non-sports backgrounds? Gee, I never thought of looking at it in that remarkably oversimplified and completely irrelevant way.

 

Silly us, expecting our sportswriters to be accurate, informed and honest. All that we should expect is they spew garbage at a slower rate than any randomly chosen citizen…

 

Tomase is the only one who’s around the Red Sox much on a regular basis of the 4. I don’t put much stock of anything into what Felger, and Mazz say anyway, and Shaugnessy is an old dog who has been around for a long time, so if you are going to these guys for accuracy I would look elsewhere. You have to know on who is more in tune, and accurate to begin with.

Honest? You mean the Sam The Sham, and co?

[sk7326]

So the selling point is professional and paid sports personalities like Felger, Mazz and Tomase is they might put out more educated viewpoints than a bunch of random individual all from varying non-sports backgrounds? Gee, I never thought of looking at it in that remarkably oversimplified and completely irrelevant way.

 

Silly us, expecting our sportswriters to be accurate, informed and honest. All that we should expect is they spew garbage at a slower rate than any randomly chosen citizen…

 

We are almost certainly more educated about the industry than Felger and Mazz are.

[notin]

Tomase is the only one who’s around the Red Sox much on a regular basis of the 4. I don’t put much stock of anything into what Felger, and Mazz say anyway, and Shaugnessy is an old dog who has been around for a long time, so if you are going to these guys for accuracy I would look elsewhere. You have to know on who is more in tune, and accurate to begin with.

Honest? You mean the Sam The Sham, and co?

 

I rarely if ever even mention Kennedy. But Felger, Mazz and Tomase are all pretty useless. Tomase overreacts to everything. Mazz has always been a whiner and occasion liar, who, if posts others make, is also pretty clueless. At least Felger reportedly admits he doesn’t know much about the Sox and he likes to prove it.

 

As for Shaughnessy, I haven’t read a word since I moved out of Massachusetts 20 years ago. And without a hard copy of the Globe, I’m not paying for their site…

[Old Red]

I rarely if ever even mention Kennedy. But Felger, Mazz and Tomase are all pretty useless. Tomase overreacts to everything. Mazz has always been a whiner and occasion liar, who, if posts others make, is also pretty clueless. At least Felger reportedly admits he doesn’t know much about the Sox and he likes to prove it.

 

As for Shaughnessy, I haven’t read a word since I moved out of Massachusetts 20 years ago. And without a hard copy of the Globe, I’m not paying for their site…

 

I think two of the most reliable sources now are Jen, and Stats.

[notin]

We are almost certainly more educated about the industry than Felger and Mazz are.

 

That’s a sad commmentary about them. I have numerous perceptions about the industry, and have no issues laying them out in detail on anonymous web forums. But I wouldn’t even remotely call myself any level of expert…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Tomase is the only one who’s around the Red Sox much on a regular basis of the 4. I don’t put much stock of anything into what Felger, and Mazz say anyway, and Shaugnessy is an old dog who has been around for a long time, so if you are going to these guys for accuracy I would look elsewhere. You have to know on who is more in tune, and accurate to begin with.

Honest? You mean the Sam The Sham, and co?

 

I agree, Irish -- we can't trust any of these guys because unlike the fans, who just want to be entertained by pro athletes that at least pretend they care as much as we do, all the media and front office types have their own agendas. Some are trying to outscoop each other, others are bored covering also-rans (so they initiate controversy), and the brass will BS anyone for a buck.

 

But one thing we have to accept: all those in the business are closer to the truths than any of us think we know -- they're just not in a position to share all of them with us, lest they lose their positions...

[dgalehouse]

I usually go by what the boys down at Clancy's are saying.

[Old Red]

I usually go by what the boys down at Clancy's are saying.

 

Kowloons used to be the hangout place according to Eddie Andleman back in the day.

[notin]

I usually go by what the boys down at Clancy's are saying.

 

The ones who yell at the TV and think Cora can hear them?

[sk7326]

That’s a sad commmentary about them. I have numerous perceptions about the industry, and have no issues laying them out in detail on anonymous web forums. But I wouldn’t even remotely call myself any level of expert…

 

Oh neither am I. But when you get vibes based commentary and pooh poohing of analytics like some of the carnival barkers like that, you're just not following your industry.

[Nick]

Is there any evidence that teams actually use BTV as an analytical tool to evaluate trade possibilities?

 

I'm with Old Red on this......I have no interest in it.

[moonslav59]

Is there any evidence that teams actually use BTV as an analytical tool to evaluate trade possibilities?

 

I'm with Old Red on this......I have no interest in it.

 

Do teams use this site for input?

 

No, so why do you have interest in it?

[Larry Cook]

I really like this Urias trade with Seattle!!! I like Campbell as a potential bullpen piece

[moonslav59]

I really like this Urias trade with Seattle!!! I like Campbell as a potential bullpen piece

 

Probably means we are slotting another one of our pen guys into the rotation. (BTW, the RP'er is another righty.)

 

Sox non tendered Wyatt Mills.

[Larry Cook]

 

Sox non tendered Wyatt Mills.

 

Breslow begins to clean up the mess hang’em Chaim left behind

[moonslav59]

Breslow begins to clean up the mess hang’em Chaim left behind

 

Bloom gave up the great Jacob Wallace to get Mills. I'm so bummed.

 

[moonslav59]

Campbell has 2 options. In case anyone was wondering.

[moonslav59]

Makes me think we will be adding a 2Bman, this winter.

[Larry Cook]

The most noise so far is Breslow is in on Montgomery.

But is he also trying to get Yamamoto????

 

If cohen wants Yamamoto, then it is a done deal with the Mets!

[moonslav59]

The most noise so far is Breslow is in on Montgomery.

But is he also trying to get Yamamoto????

 

If cohen wants Yamamoto, then it is a done deal with the Mets!

 

I'm thinking adding Montgomery and Gray is too much to hope for.

 

Maybe we end up with Montgomery and Seth Lugo.

[harmony]

Campbell has 2 options. In case anyone was wondering.

Isaiah Campbell could be fantastic pickup for the Red Sox.

 

Mariners fans apparently are not crazy about Luis Urias:

 

https://www.marinertalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8824

[mvp 78]

The most noise so far is Breslow is in on Montgomery.

But is he also trying to get Yamamoto????

 

If cohen wants Yamamoto, then it is a done deal with the Mets!

 

If he gets Yamamoto and Montgomery, he can nap the rest of the offseason.