Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yes, or sign real soon.

 

Pounce, Brez! I already lit my woodstove this week.

[notin]

... or two -- perhaps saplings from the acreage of Cubs and Giants (former org of Brez' best bud and impending pitching coach A. Bailey)?

 

Can’t add 2. They only left one place open.

 

You can’t DFA players to make a Rule 5 pick; the roster space has to already exist…

[mvp 78]

There is a chance, after we add 5-6 players, none of those guys will be around, anyway.

 

I'd still have protected Gambrell and Drohan to the last moment.

 

I guess, if they don't get selected, there is no issue.

 

Yeah, there is still a lot of movement left for the 40 man. My guess is that Crag knows he needs to add more players anyway and he sees Wikelman and Perales' upsides. He's going to DFA or trade more guys to make room for other additions. No sense in adding Gambrell et al just to clog up the 40 man now. Likely that one or two may get picked, but Crag hopes that his additions will be more valuable.

[mvp 78]

Can’t add 2. They only left one place open.

 

You can’t DFA players to make a Rule 5 pick; the roster space has to already exist…

 

I don't think this is true. They can clear additional spots prior to the draft. They just can't protect any additional players going forward.

[moonslav59]

Yeah, there is still a lot of movement left for the 40 man. My guess is that Crag knows he needs to add more players anyway and he sees Wikelman and Perales' upsides. He's going to DFA or trade more guys to make room for other additions. No sense in adding Gambrell et al just to clog up the 40 man now. Likely that one or two may get picked, but Crag hopes that his additions will be more valuable.

 

I'm not sure how many more than 5 we will be adding. Once we go beyond 5, it comes down to something like Gambrell vs Mata, Robertson or Mills. Now, it's not so clear cut.

 

If Brez plans on adding 6-8 new 40 man players via free agency or by trade of no 40 players, then not protecting Gambrel and Drohan makes sense, to me.

 

I like Gambrel. I wish he was protected, but I don't know enough to call it a mistake.

[moonslav59]

I don't think this is true. They can clear additional spots prior to the draft. They just can't protect any additional players going forward.

 

Yes, there is time before the draft in December to DFA players or make 2 or 3 for one trades to create more roster slots.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

MLB had a "Bold Offseason Prediction" article a few days back. Here were their calls:

 

Ohtani to Mariners

Soto traded to Yankees

Bregman traded

Giolito & Flaherty (HS teammates) both sign with Braves

Cincy signs Gray, ERod or Stroman

O's will sign Hader and add a top SP: Nola or Snell or a trade for Burnes or Bieber

Someone signs Rich Hill, and...

 

Drum roll....

 

Yamamoto to the Red Sox!

 

 

Yo Yama hype includes the rarity of a top starter entering free agency in his mid-20s.

 

The following were all 25-26 when they joined the majors;

 

...hopefully, the charts provide a reasonable range of expected performance:

 

bWAR, MLB careers

31... Darvish

20.9 Nomo

17.3 Tanaka

9.4 Matsuzaka

 

W-L, ERA

Nomo 123-109, 4.24

Darvish 103-85, 3.59

Tanaka 78-46, 3.74

DiceK 56-43, 4.45

 

GS, IP (162-gm avg)

Nomo 34, 210

Darvish 34, 208

Tanaka 34, 207

DiceK 31, 185

 

That consistency of that last grouping is reassuring. Training and throwing (US programs would say overthrowing) in Japan has conditioned these guys for durability before they come over. Note: Roki Sasaki -- three years younger than Yo Yama -- will be coming soon...

[moonslav59]

Can’t add 2. They only left one place open.

 

You can’t DFA players to make a Rule 5 pick; the roster space has to already exist…

 

The Padres have claimed right-hander Logan Gillaspie off waivers from the Red Sox, per a team announcement out of Boston. The Padres have several open spots on their 40-man roster, so a corresponding move isn’t necessary. Boston’s 40-man roster count is now down to 38 players.

[mvp 78]

@JakeIggy

Red Sox are listed as 1 of 8 teams looking to add multiple starting pitchers, per

@JonHeyman

 

Just because the names are available doesn't mean it'll be easy.

[notin]

The Padres have claimed right-hander Logan Gillaspie off waivers from the Red Sox, per a team announcement out of Boston. The Padres have several open spots on their 40-man roster, so a corresponding move isn’t necessary. Boston’s 40-man roster count is now down to 38 players.

 

I hope the Sox don’t add multiple Rule 5 players. It’s the worst way to add players if you don’t get an immediate contributor. Most Rule 5 selections that last on the roster get buried in the back of the bench and still lose a year of control while simultaneously losing a year of development.

 

If the Sox do make selections plural, hopefully they can work out a trade or two to allow for minor league demotions…

[moonslav59]

I hope the Sox don’t add multiple Rule 5 players. It’s the worst way to add players if you don’t get an immediate contributor. Most Rule 5 selections that last on the roster get buried in the back of the bench and still lose a year of control while simultaneously losing a year of development.

 

If the Sox do make selections plural, hopefully they can work out a trade or two to allow for minor league demotions…

 

The Whitlock story is a rare one.

[mvp 78]

I hope the Sox don’t add multiple Rule 5 players. It’s the worst way to add players if you don’t get an immediate contributor. Most Rule 5 selections that last on the roster get buried in the back of the bench and still lose a year of control while simultaneously losing a year of development.

 

If the Sox do make selections plural, hopefully they can work out a trade or two to allow for minor league demotions…

 

There's no way. Maybe one? https://www.mlb.com/news/rule-5-draft-prospects-protected-on-40-man-rosters-2023?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

 

See if a guy like Kristian Robinson falls to them and make him the 5th OFer? Right handed Jarren Duran (Hudson Haskin)? Steal a DD guy (Carlos De La Cruz)? If they want a RH/1B/LF type guy, go for Heriberto Hernandez?

[mvp 78]

The Whitlock story is a rare one.

 

[notin]

There's no way. Maybe one? https://www.mlb.com/news/rule-5-draft-prospects-protected-on-40-man-rosters-2023?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

 

See if a guy like Kristian Robinson falls to them and make him the 5th OFer? Right handed Jarren Duran (Hudson Haskin)? Steal a DD guy (Carlos De La Cruz)? If they want a RH/1B/LF type guy, go for Heriberto Hernandez?

 

Robinson has been a crazy fall from grace. Consensus top 100/BP # 15 to DFA in 2 years…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

In his first interview as new Angels' skipper today, Ron Washington said they'd do whatever it takes to go forward.

 

So... which Red Sox players would you trade for Mike Trout?

 

BTV says his value is a whopping minus-83... the only trade with Boston the site approved is Story (-80) and Yoshida (-.6) for the big freshwater fish.

 

BTW: if the Halos want a realistic return, I'd prefer to keep Anthony over Mayer. That Instagram BP session at the Hollidays sold me that Roman Candles could be launching in the vicinity of the Mass Pike and Charles River for the next decade.

[moonslav59]

In his first interview as new Angels' skipper today, Ron Washington said they'd do whatever it takes to go forward.

 

So... which Red Sox players would you trade for Mike Trout?

 

BTV says his value is a whopping minus-83... the only trade with Boston the site approved is Story (-80) and Yoshida (-.6) for the big freshwater fish.

 

BTW: if the Halos want a realistic return, I'd prefer to keep Anthony over Mayer. That Instagram BP session at the Hollidays sold me that Roman Candles could be launching in the vicinity of the Mass Pike and Charles River for the next decade.

 

Easy pass for me.

[notin]

In his first interview as new Angels' skipper today, Ron Washington said they'd do whatever it takes to go forward.

 

So... which Red Sox players would you trade for Mike Trout?

 

BTV says his value is a whopping minus-83... the only trade with Boston the site approved is Story (-80) and Yoshida (-.6) for the big freshwater fish.

 

BTW: if the Halos want a realistic return, I'd prefer to keep Anthony over Mayer. That Instagram BP session at the Hollidays sold me that Roman Candles could be launching in the vicinity of the Mass Pike and Charles River for the next decade.

 

I don’t think any top prospect for a 32yo outfielder due $260mill over the next seven years and who hasn’t played over 120 games since his age 27 season is anywhere near realistic…

[moonslav59]

I don’t think any top prospect for a 32yo outfielder due $260mill over the next seven years and who hasn’t played over 120 games since his age 27 season is anywhere near realistic…

 

I'm not even sure I'd give Yoshida for him.

[notin]

I'm not even sure I'd give Yoshida for him.

 

Trout is owed $260mill and is a part time player. Story and Yoshida are owed about $186mill combined. And for fewer years.

 

And both might wind up playing…

[moonslav59]

Trout is owed $260mill and is a part time player. Story and Yoshida are owed about $186mill combined. And for fewer years.

 

And both might wind up playing…

 

I don't get the wish for Trout?

 

Unless you are a fisherman.

[notin]

I don't get the wish for Trout?

 

Unless you are a fisherman.

 

Or running a team in 2014…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I don't get the wish for Trout?

 

Unless you are a fisherman.

 

First, good job on the easy pass post. Toll booths in New England are going the way of rotary phones (and my stupid cell phone, I wish, which calls or facetimes random people whenever I pick it up).

 

Second, even banged up, Trout is still an all-time talent. He hit 40 home runs in 438 at bats two years ago. To think he couldn't do that again playing half his games in friendly Fenway is illogical.

 

Third, we all know the Red Sox need star power and right-handedly so -- who else is even remotely available, and at what position?

 

Fourth, if Brez can improve the club and generate excitement by acquiring a Hall of Famer for a prospect who may never even make an All-Star team, the forum can finally stop the daily posts about which one-tool holdovers from the last-place losers will platoon with each other in the outfield.

 

I'd prefer using prospect capital to trade for a Burnes or Glasnow, and sign a guy like Gurriel to shore up the outfield. But I got shot down on that idea here, as well. The only OF suggestion I've seen posted from someone else is to deal for Brian Reynolds, who Pitt recently signed to a longterm contract through his age 36 season.

 

BTW: Reynolds' Most Similar batter on BB-Ref is Lourdes Gurriel Jr.

 

Trout's is Ralph Kiner (whose bronze plaque hangs in Cooperstown)... but Mike is slipping; in his 20s, his most similar batters were Mantle and Frank Robinson -- but in his 30s he's only Duke Snider...

[moonslav59]

First, good job on the easy pass post. Toll booths in New England are going the way of rotary phones (and my stupid cell phone, I wish, which calls or facetimes random people whenever I pick it up).

 

Second, even banged up, Trout is still an all-time talent. He hit 40 home runs in 438 at bats two years ago. To think he couldn't do that again playing half his games in friendly Fenway is illogical.

 

Third, we all know the Red Sox need star power and right-handedly so -- who else is even remotely available, and at what position?

 

Fourth, if Brez can improve the club and generate excitement by acquiring a Hall of Famer for a prospect who may never even make an All-Star team, the forum can finally stop the daily posts about which one-tool holdovers from the last-place losers will platoon with each other in the outfield.

 

I'd prefer using prospect capital to trade for a Burnes or Glasnow, and sign a guy like Gurriel to shore up the outfield. But I got shot down on that idea here, as well. The only OF suggestion I've seen posted from someone else is to deal for Brian Reynolds, who Pitt recently signed to a longterm contract through his age 36 season.

 

BTW: Reynolds' Most Similar batter on BB-Ref is Lourdes Gurriel Jr.

 

Trout's is Ralph Kiner (whose bronze plaque hangs in Cooperstown)... but Mike is slipping; in his 20s, his most similar batters were Mantle and Frank Robinson -- but in his 30s he's only Duke Snider...

 

We already have tried a rotation of hobbled starters. Sure, let's try it for everyday players!

 

Yes, Trout COULD ___________.

 

Most likely, he WON'T!

 

Also, Yoshida is much more likely to play 2-4 times the games and might just do well, going forward.

 

Talk of Anthony or Mayer for a broken down- ex-star is not my idea of doing something bold and logical.

 

BTW, some of us like the idea of trading for Burnes (and extending him.)

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We already have tried a rotation of hobbled starters. Sure, let's try it for everyday players!

 

Yes, Trout COULD ___________.

 

Most likely, he WON'T!

 

Also, Yoshida is much more likely to play 2-4 times the games and might just do well, going forward.

 

Talk of Anthony or Mayer for a broken down- ex-star is not my idea of doing something bold and logical.

 

BTW, some of us like the idea of trading for Burnes (and extending him.)

 

Keeping Yoshida around may be key for the most important reason this offseason: he's reportedly good friends with Yo Yama...

[notin]

Keeping Yoshida around may be key for the most important reason this offseason: he's reportedly good friends with Yo Yama...

 

At best that’s a tie breaker.

 

Yamamoto didn’t hire an agent to hook him up with his friends…

[notin]

First, good job on the easy pass post. Toll booths in New England are going the way of rotary phones (and my stupid cell phone, I wish, which calls or facetimes random people whenever I pick it up).

 

Second, even banged up, Trout is still an all-time talent. He hit 40 home runs in 438 at bats two years ago. To think he couldn't do that again playing half his games in friendly Fenway is illogical.

 

Third, we all know the Red Sox need star power and right-handedly so -- who else is even remotely available, and at what position?

 

Fourth, if Brez can improve the club and generate excitement by acquiring a Hall of Famer for a prospect who may never even make an All-Star team, the forum can finally stop the daily posts about which one-tool holdovers from the last-place losers will platoon with each other in the outfield.

 

I'd prefer using prospect capital to trade for a Burnes or Glasnow, and sign a guy like Gurriel to shore up the outfield. But I got shot down on that idea here, as well. The only OF suggestion I've seen posted from someone else is to deal for Brian Reynolds, who Pitt recently signed to a longterm contract through his age 36 season.

 

BTW: Reynolds' Most Similar batter on BB-Ref is Lourdes Gurriel Jr.

 

Trout's is Ralph Kiner (whose bronze plaque hangs in Cooperstown)... but Mike is slipping; in his 20s, his most similar batters were Mantle and Frank Robinson -- but in his 30s he's only Duke Snider...

 

Kiner’s last year was his age 32 season. Trout is entering his age 32 season.

 

Is this really the comp you want to make?

[Bellhorn04]

At best that’s a tie breaker.

 

Yamamoto didn’t hire an agent to hook him up with his friends…

 

OTOH you don't need an agent to figure out which bid is the highest, either. So why do they hire agents, anyway? Time you explained that.

[mvp 78]

Robinson has been a crazy fall from grace. Consensus top 100/BP # 15 to DFA in 2 years…

 

He punched a cop in the desert which got him into visa trouble. Sounds like a dirt dog to me.

[mvp 78]

Trout is owed $260mill and is a part time player. Story and Yoshida are owed about $186mill combined. And for fewer years.

 

And both might wind up playing…

 

Trout + 140M (Sox paying Trout to be a 2 fWAR guy for through 2030)

 

for

 

Duran

Crawford

[notin]

He punched a cop in the desert which got him into visa trouble. Sounds like a dirt dog to me.

 

Dog or bag?