Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[moonslav59]

I know this would not happen, but if we could somehow unload Yoshida with some cash, maybe, and sign Chapman, we’d have a nice lineup and better defense.

[Bellhorn04]

I know this would not happen, but if we could somehow unload Yoshida with some cash, maybe, and sign Chapman, we’d have a nice lineup and better defense.

 

It makes too much sense to happen.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I know this would not happen, but if we could somehow unload Yoshida with some cash, maybe, and sign Chapman, we’d have a nice lineup and better defense.

 

Will incremental replacements -- subtract a Dugie, add an O'Neill; subtract a Duvall, add a Teoscar -- make any difference at all, if the Sox aren't going to invest big money or prospect capital on big league pitching?

 

Since the front office liars refuse to admit that Year 1 Breslow Era looks just like Year 5 Bloom Era -- so far -- the only way to impact Red Sox Nation is a major overhaul this winter. Something like a blockbuster of Bregman-Framber proportion, moving Raffy to DH/LF (better arm and reflexes than Manny).

 

But Brez isn't here to burn down the farm... nor should he.

[notin]

I know this would not happen, but if we could somehow unload Yoshida with some cash, maybe, and sign Chapman, we’d have a nice lineup and better defense.

 

Yoshida ($74.4mill) to San Diego for Jake Cronenworth ($80mill)…

[Old Red]

It makes too much sense to happen.

 

It only makes sense with a better D. Chapman wouldn’t be cheap, and I can’t see Cora putting Raffy, or Casas at DH full time. They are to young for that. If the starting pitching doesn’t get better the team won’t get better. Getting a better 2B would be a bigger priority to me for the IF. I don’t think getting any 3B is even on the Red Sox radar at this point.

[Bellhorn04]

Will incremental replacements -- subtract a Dugie, add an O'Neill; subtract a Duvall, add a Teoscar -- make any difference at all, if the Sox aren't going to invest big money or prospect capital on big league pitching?

 

Since the front office liars refuse to admit that Year 1 Breslow Era looks just like Year 5 Bloom Era -- so far

 

Disagree.

 

Year 1 of Brez is actually moving much slower than Year 4 of Bloom...

[notin]

It only makes sense with a better D. Chapman wouldn’t be cheap, and I can’t see Cora putting Raffy, or Casas at DH full time. They are too young for that. If the starting pitching doesn’t get better the team won’t get better. Getting a better 2B would be a bigger priority to me for the IF. I don’t think getting any 3B is even on the Red Sox radar at this point.

 

 

So you’re saying Cora is stupid and prioritizes age over defense…

[Old Red]

Disagree.

 

Year 1 of Brez is actually moving much slower than Year 4 of Bloom...

 

Just, because it took weeks to name Bailey as the pitching coach, and they didn’t replace the 3B coach, and they’ve not done much of anything substantial to improve the club just looks a little slow. I’m sure the wheels are turning in baseball ops control at this very moment, and something big is imminent. Ok I’m not so sure.

 

I said this yesterday before anything had been done, and I kept preaching patience when so many on here were crying foul, or sham when they haven’t even been given a chance. The wheels are still turning, and the Red Sox are not done yet.

Edited December 30, 2023 by Old Red

[Bellhorn04]

So you’re saying Cora is stupid and prioritizes age over defense…

 

You don't see many young full time DH's. Not sure why that is or if it makes any baseball sense or not...

[Bellhorn04]

I’m sure the wheels are turning in baseball ops control at this very moment, and something big is imminent. Ok I’m not so sure.

 

Well stated.

[Old Red]

So you’re saying Cora is stupid and prioritizes age over defense…

 

That’s what you got out of that? I know you’ve been all fixated with getting Chapman, but I don’t think there is a snowball’s chance in hell of that happening. Of course Cora likes D, and he talks about it all the time, but I just don’t see him moving Casas, or Raffy off their positions to a FT DH role. Once again you come up with this far fetched notion that I’m saying Cora is stupid. You must think that to come up with it, but I just think there is not even any kind of thought of adding Chapman, or moving Raffy, or Casas.

[Old Red]

Well stated.

 

I don’t have a clue what they are waiting for, but it has to be something. I hope it’s not for Monty, and Snell to get decided, because with Boris having both as clients it could be a long wait.

[notin]

That’s what you got out of that? I know you’ve been all fixated with getting Chapman, but I don’t think there is a snowball’s chance in hell of that happening. Of course Cora likes D, and he talks about it all the time, but I just don’t see him moving Casas, or Raffy off their positions to a FT DH role. Once again you come up with this far fetched notion that I’m saying Cora is stupid. You must think that to come up with it, but I just think there is not even any kind of thought of adding Chapman, or moving Raffy, or Casas.

 

Ok we can split this one.

 

You say Cora won’t make a young player a FT DH regardless of how poor he is defensively. (You did essentially say just that.)

 

I will say to me, if Cora truly thinks that way, than, yes, he is stupid…

[Old Red]

Ok we can split this one.

 

You say Cora won’t make a young player a FT DH regardless of how poor he is defensively. (You did essentially say just that.)

 

I will say to me, if Cora truly thinks that way, than, yes, he is stupid…

 

Once again that’s what you took from my statement, because that’s what you wanted to make it from my statement. I’m essentially saying that Cora sticks with his players maybe to a fault just like he did with Kike at SS last year. It has nothing to do with thinking that Cora is stupid. If you feel that way then I disagree with you. Sticking with, and staying with a player to me is not stupid. Stubborn maybe.🙈

[Bellhorn04]

Ok we can split this one.

 

You say Cora won’t make a young player a FT DH regardless of how poor he is defensively. (You did essentially say just that.)

 

I will say to me, if Cora truly thinks that way, than, yes, he is stupid…

 

Breslow has already said he doesn't like having a full time DH, so he's stupid too.

 

And Bloom was the stupidest of all, paying $105 million for a guy who should be a DH but was penciled in as a left fielder instead...

[Old Red]

Breslow has already said he doesn't like having a full time DH, so he's stupid too.

 

And Bloom was the stupidest of all, paying $105 million for a guy who should be a DH but was penciled in as a left fielder instead...

 

Bloom went full throttle on Yoshida that’s for sure. I think he even shocked Boris.

[Duran Is The Man]

Breslow has already said he doesn't like having a full time DH, so he's stupid too.

 

And Bloom was the stupidest of all, paying $105 million for a guy who should be a DH but was penciled in as a left fielder instead...

 

...and so little money on pitching.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Disagree.

 

Year 1 of Brez is actually moving much slower than Year 4 of Bloom...

 

We have to give Brez a break. How can he decide on new pitchers for the parent club when he hasn't even picked a thought partner yet?

 

Why should we expect a new CBO to take full responsibility for overpaying any dead arm throwing? Even Dr. Frankenstein had Igor to blame for fetching a corpse with a scarecrow brain.

[moonslav59]

Breslow has already said he doesn't like having a full time DH, so he's stupid too.

 

And Bloom was the stupidest of all, paying $105 million for a guy who should be a DH but was penciled in as a left fielder instead...

 

No FT DH might look like:

122 games by Yoshida

10 Devers

10 Casas

10 Duran or Refsnyder

10 others

[Hugh2]

We have to give Brez a break. How can he decide on new pitchers for the parent club when he hasn't even picked a thought partner yet?

 

Why should we expect a new CBO to take full responsibility for overpaying any dead arm throwing? Even Dr. Frankenstein had Igor to blame for fetching a corpse with a scarecrow brain.

 

It's also not uncommon for people in Breslows position to not make any earth shattering deals their first year with a new orgnization where they're still getting a handle on things top to bottom, needs etc etc.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's also not uncommon for people in Breslows position to not make any earth shattering deals their first year with a new orgnization where they're still getting a handle on things top to bottom, needs etc etc.

 

Sorry, can't hear you -- Tom Werner's Harley is revving loudly in my eardrums.

[notin]

It's also not uncommon for people in Breslows position to not make any earth shattering deals their first year with a new orgnization where they're still getting a handle on things top to bottom, needs etc etc.

 

Ok, but can he make a few “fragile-glass-Christmas-ornament-shattering” deals?

[moonslav59]

It's also not uncommon for people in Breslows position to not make any earth shattering deals their first year with a new orgnization where they're still getting a handle on things top to bottom, needs etc etc.

 

He may also be taking some time studying which players he likes the most and talking to scouts and the player development people to determine his most likely prospects to trade.

 

My guess is he will make at least one big splash trade.

 

He may not want to commit to 4+ years on any FA for the reasons you

Mentioned as well as an ownership group that may be stressing moderation.

[notin]

Breslow has already said he doesn't like having a full time DH, so he's stupid too.

 

And Bloom was the stupidest of all, paying $105 million for a guy who should be a DH but was penciled in as a left fielder instead...

 

 

Breslow doesn’t fill out the lineup cards, but if he thinks DH isn’t a real position but rather a place to rest regulars, I’m questioning him, too. I see DH as a freebie - a place to stick an elite hitter with defensive issues you’ve now buried.

 

But if Breslow sees DH as bouncing between a couple of everyday hard hitters with weak gloves - like Devers and Casas - rotating on one defensive position, then I can agree with that.

[notin]

He may also be taking some time studying which players he likes the most and talking to scouts and the player development people to determine his most likely prospects to trade.

 

My guess is he will make at least one big splash trade.

 

He may not want to commit to 4+ years on any FA for the reasons you

Mentioned as well as an ownership group that may be stressing moderation.

 

He’s been in baseball for years. Surely he’s formed many opinions by now…

[Bellhorn04]

It's also not uncommon for people in Breslows position to not make any earth shattering deals their first year with a new orgnization where they're still getting a handle on things top to bottom, needs etc etc.

 

I don't disagree, but the messaging was totally the opposite. From a PR perspective they continue to look like buffoons. Why not just retain Bloom if we're still being patient?

 

Obviously some guys, like Dombrowski, can walk in and start making deals left and right...

[moonslav59]

He’s been in baseball for years. Surely he’s formed many opinions by now…

 

I doubt he studied Sox farm prospects enough to form strong opinions on all of them, but your point is a good one.

 

[notin]

Once again that’s what you took from my statement, because that’s what you wanted to make it from my statement. I’m essentially saying that Cora sticks with his players maybe to a fault just like he did with Kike at SS last year. It has nothing to do with thinking that Cora is stupid. If you feel that way then I disagree with you. Sticking with, and staying with a player to me is not stupid. Stubborn maybe.🙈

 

You don’t think sticking with Kike at SS for as long as he did - even after other options were acquired - was stupid?

 

I’m not even a huge Cora Basher. But there was no other way to describe that…

[moonslav59]

I don't disagree, but the messaging was totally the opposite. From a PR perspective they continue to look like buffoons. Why not just retain Bloom if we're still being patient?

 

Obviously some guys, like Dombrowski, can walk in and start making deals left and right...

 

I think there are two major reasons for the GM flip:

 

1) Bloom was the scape goat.

 

2) The hope Brez can make better FA signings than Bloom, especially the $10M or more ones.

 

It’s hard to imagine Brez doing worse than this…

Story

Yoshida

Jansen

Kluber

Richards

Kike II

(Barnes extension was just under $10M a year)

(The 5 largest Bloom signings)

[moonslav59]

You don’t think sticking with Kike at SS for as long as he did - even after other options were acquired - was stupid?

 

I’m not even a huge Cora Basher. But there was no other way to describe that…

 

It was a huge mistake.

 

I do think Cora sticks with some players for too long. It worked for Dalbec and Kike in 2021.

 

It did not with Dugo v lefties, Kluber, Richards, Perez and others .