Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[moonslav59]

It means if they don't make at least one big signing they're going to look like lying sacks of s***.

 

“Big signing” is subjective, too.

 

Some think there are 5 big SPs to sign- others 6-7. There are also some big non pitchers to sign. So maybe 10-12 total?

[Old Red]

Nola signs with Phillies 7yr/172. Finally some action. Edited November 19, 2023 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

Nola signs with Phillies 6yr/172. Finally some action.

 

Not all that absurd a price.

[Old Red]

Not all that absurd a price.

 

One projection I saw was 5/150, so pretty close, and no not an absurd price. Now maybe some of the others may fall into place. On the same site Monty was projected at 5/110.

[Old Red]

Nola was 7yr/172 not 6yr/172.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

How many full throttle teams are there?

 

6-7?

 

There's more than that today that could fully throttle the Red Sox next year...

[Randy Red Sox]

Not all that absurd a price.

 

i think the Sox will be lucky to get Montgomery which won't thrill me that much

[moonslav59]

i think the Sox will be lucky to get Montgomery which won't thrill me that much

 

That’s about the best I think we can seriously hope for.

[Randy Red Sox]

That’s about the best I think we can seriously hope for.

 

then we likely will be looking at another last place finish in 2024

[notin]

That’s about the best I think we can seriously hope for.

 

Because one pitcher went back to his old team?

 

Didn’t take much to deflate this room…

[Bellhorn04]

Because one pitcher went back to his old team?

 

Didn’t take much to deflate this room…

 

Skepticism abounds. Not surprising, really, after the fiasco of the last two seasons. Henry and Bloom succeeded in lowering everyone's expectations.

[Old Red]

Skepticism abounds. Not surprising, really, after the fiasco of the last two seasons. Henry and Bloom succeeded in lowering everyone's expectations.

 

I guess it depends on what your expectations are. I wasn’t counting on The Big O, or the Yam Man, because of the amount of competition, and the cost, and Nola was somewhat expected to go back to Philly anyway. If Monty, or ERod doesn’t float your boat, and no big trade is made for pitching then that will no sit well with fans. With Nola gone maybe things will speed up now.

[moonslav59]

then we likely will be looking at another last place finish in 2024

 

If we get Montgomery and a top tier two guy, plus a good 2Bman, we might sneak in the playoffs.

[moonslav59]

Because one pitcher went back to his old team?

 

Didn’t take much to deflate this room…

 

The Nola signing had nothing to do with my feelings staying the same.

 

I’m not getting my hopes up. Been saying that all along.

[sk7326]

7/172 is a good number ... I think the way to look at these deals now is to look at AAV for n-2 years. We know the length of the deals is as much to mitigate luxury tax concerns as anything.

[sk7326]

The Nola signing had nothing to do with my feelings staying the same.

 

I’m not getting my hopes up. Been saying that all along.

 

I am skeptical as well, but hope to be wrong. I don't know if this management is willing to sign these uber-long deals to manipulate AAV calculations. That said, they did do it for Devers - but I don't think they had "manipulate AAV" in mind.

[Larry Cook]

7/172 is a good number ... I think the way to look at these deals now is to look at AAV for n-2 years. We know the length of the deals is as much to mitigate luxury tax concerns as anything.

 

This tells me we will need 7 years on Montgomery.

[notin]

This tells me we will need 7 years on Montgomery.

 

Montgomery is the hot name for an overpay after his postseason run. Nola’s deal was pretty reasonable…

[Larry Cook]

Montgomery is the hot name for an overpay after his postseason run. Nola’s deal was pretty reasonable…

 

I agree, but I still think breslow offers him 7 years and around 170 mm

[moonslav59]

This tells me we will need 7 years on Montgomery.

 

I’d prefer Monty to Nola but I’m not sure he’ll cost more.

[Randy Red Sox]

I agree, but I still think breslow offers him 7 years and around 170 mm

 

i have a big pass on Montgomery given what he will get

[moonslav59]

i have a big pass on Montgomery given what he will get

 

94 starts in the last 3 seasons.

 

121 ERA+

 

He turns 31, soon- just a little older than Nola.

 

[Larry Cook]

i have a big pass on Montgomery given what he will get

 

Can I ask why you while pass on him???

[Old Red]

Can I ask why you while pass on him???

 

Monty no doubt pitched good the last part of the regular season, and into the postseason for Texas, but outside of that his career numbers are not that great, and I believe overrated. A career 38-34 record, and has been on 3 teams over the last 3 years, and even the Yankees who are always looking for pitching didn’t keep him. Kind of like a journeyman pitcher to me, and not someone I would give a $100M+ contract to for 5-6 years.

[mvp 78]

Monty no doubt pitched good the last part of the regular season, and into the postseason for Texas, but outside of that his career numbers are not that great, and I believe overrated. A career 38-34 record, and has been on 3 teams over the last 3 years, and even the Yankees who are always looking for pitching didn’t keep him. Kind of like a journeyman pitcher to me, and not someone I would give a $100M+ contract to for 5-6 years.

 

When the Yanks traded him, they thought they were getting the really good version of Harrison Bader back and Monty's k rate was considerably down in '22. They were making a playoff run and were going to go with Cole/Taillon/Cortes/Severino/German. Now, Taillon is gone, Cortes stinks, German has a drinking problem and Severino is a FA/always injured. They chose poorly.

[notin]

Monty no doubt pitched good the last part of the regular season, and into the postseason for Texas, but outside of that his career numbers are not that great, and I believe overrated. A career 38-34 record, and has been on 3 teams over the last 3 years, and even the Yankees who are always looking for pitching didn’t keep him. Kind of like a journeyman pitcher to me, and not someone I would give a $100M+ contract to for 5-6 years.

 

His W-L record didn’t bother me; it’sa bad way to evaluate pitchers. That he’s been on 3 teams in 3 years doesn’t and shouldn’t. You could say the same thing about Schrerzer. (Oh wait, Scherzer has been on FOUR teams in the last three years. AVOID THAT HALL OF FAMER!!)

 

Montgomery is a good pitcher who stands to get overpaid due solely to his postseason starts (according to the talking heads at MLB Network). Not sure that’s a good way to evaluate a pitcher..

[Bellhorn04]

Montgomery has a 10.2 fWAR over the last 3 seasons. He's been pitching like a solid #2.

[Old Red]

His W-L record didn’t bother me; it’sa bad way to evaluate pitchers. That he’s been on 3 teams in 3 years doesn’t and shouldn’t. You could say the same thing about Schrerzer. (Oh wait, Scherzer has been on FOUR teams in the last three years. AVOID THAT HALL OF FAMER!!)

 

Montgomery is a good pitcher who stands to get overpaid due solely to his postseason starts (according to the talking heads at MLB Network). Not sure that’s a good way to evaluate a pitcher..

 

I wouldn’t compare Monty to Scherzer. Scherzer has accomplished a hell of a lot more in his career than Monty ever has, or will. I understand W-L records, but I just don’t think Monty is worth any $100M+ contract based on what he’s done in his career so far. He had a good postseason, and is a FA, so now all of a sudden he’s a hot commodity. Even though I think he would most likely improve the rotation just don’t think he worth it. I’d pass. Just, because he’s available doesn’t mean he’s all that good.

[mvp 78]

His W-L record didn’t bother me; it’sa bad way to evaluate pitchers. That he’s been on 3 teams in 3 years doesn’t and shouldn’t. You could say the same thing about Schrerzer. (Oh wait, Scherzer has been on FOUR teams in the last three years. AVOID THAT HALL OF FAMER!!)

 

Montgomery is a good pitcher who stands to get overpaid due solely to his postseason starts (according to the talking heads at MLB Network). Not sure that’s a good way to evaluate a pitcher..

 

I'm not sure he'll be the bust that Kung Fu Panda was in Boston, but I think he will be overpaid. If he can stay healthy and just be a workhorse, it may not be a big issue. Just hope he doesn't need TJS #2 .

[Old Red]

Montgomery has a 10.2 fWAR over the last 3 seasons. He's been pitching like a solid #2.

 

His high in wins is 10 in his career, which was last year. I know some don’t care about W-L records, but that just doesn’t add up to me being worth $100M+ no matter what, or how many other stats you bring up.