Trade Deadline 2023

[mvp 78]

Does he make the decisions, or does Bloom?

 

If the CBO is making all the decisions, why does he have a GM? What is the function of the GM?

[Old Red]

His main job is not the record of the big league club. That's not on his resume.

 

Well I guess we’ll just have to disagree 100% on that.

[mvp 78]

You said Bloom's "main task is running the whole organization by managing the GM and other people in upper level management".

 

What the hell does that even mean? It sounds like something from a business administration course.

 

Yeah, his job is to make sure that BOH, Crockett, Romero, Toboni and others are doing their jobs. Bloom (or any one person) is physically incapable of doing all the things that people like to put on him. If you don't like how the Red Sox Org Chart is set up, you should talk to them.

[Old Red]

If the CBO is making all the decisions, why does he have a GM? What is the function of the GM?

 

That would probably be different with every club. I have no idea how much input the GM has in Boston, and neither do you, but Bloom I bet has the final decision. What Bloom does, and doesn’t do on a daily basis I have no idea either. I did see him pick up trash in the stands between games of a DH this year though.

[Old Red]

Yeah, his job is to make sure that BOH, Crockett, Romero, Toboni and others are doing their jobs. Bloom (or any one person) is physically incapable of doing all the things that people like to put on him. If you don't like how the Red Sox Org Chart is set up, you should talk to them.

You keep talking about the organization set up, but you have no clue what each does. Bottom line Bloom is responsible for all.

[mvp 78]

You keep talking about the organization set up, but you have no clue what each does. Bottom line Bloom is responsible for all.

 

Bloom is responsible for "all" by being responsible for his direct reports. Thank you for agreeing with me. His main job is not the wins and losses of the MLB club.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bloom is responsible for "all" by being responsible for his direct reports. Thank you for agreeing with me. His main job is not the wins and losses of the MLB club.

 

Now you tell me! After all these years of us complaining about last place, and posting on threads like Fire Bloom!

 

We need to start a new thread: DFA BOH

[notin]

That would probably be different with every club. I have no idea how much input the GM has in Boston, and neither do you, but Bloom I bet has the final decision. What Bloom does, and doesn’t do on a daily basis I have no idea either. I did see him pick up trash in the stands between games of a DH this year though.

 

Not sure about Bloom, but it’s not exactly uncommon for any manager/leader to give autonomous responsibility. Otherwise the job just gets to be too much.

 

I believe that was a primary reason Cherington quit was he felt (or was told) he wouldn’t have that autonomous responsibility, assuming he was left with any responsibility at all…

[Old Red]

Bloom is responsible for "all" by being responsible for his direct reports. Thank you for agreeing with me. His main job is not the wins and losses of the MLB club.

 

Like I said we disagree 100% on what Bloom’s main job, or responsibility is.

[notin]

Like I said we disagree 100% on what Bloom’s main job, or responsibility is.

 

His job isn’t a matter of opinion…

[Hugh2]

Blooms job is determined by John Henry and John Henry alone, stating what we think his job is is just conjecture.

 

I do believe in accountability, and that starts at the top, but I do believe the perspective us non 100% bloom haters bring is equally important because sometimes you don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

[mvp 78]

Now you tell me! After all these years of us complaining about last place, and posting on threads like Fire Bloom!

 

We need to start a new thread: DFA BOH

 

Ok.

[moonslav59]

Blooms job is determined by John Henry and John Henry alone, stating what we think his job is is just conjecture.

 

I do believe in accountability, and that starts at the top, but I do believe the perspective us non 100% bloom haters bring is equally important because sometimes you don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

IMO, much of Bloom's biggest choices had to do with building for long term success. I think that came from the top.

 

I think seeing Bello, Casas, Duran, Wink and a few other make an impact on the current team has only solidified the strategy they chose during the 2019 season.

 

Like it or not, it seems clear all the talk of trying to stay competitive every year was mostly just talk. It may have been a low priority, but clearly not a top one.

 

Bloom drafted mostly HS players, the first few years. The loss of a year of development in 2020, slowed the maturation process, a bit. It's really impossible to know just how good all these new players and prospects will be. Bloom's final grade will not be know for many years.

 

The farm looks solid, on paper, with some weak areas, but in theory, it is much better than 2019's farm. Almost every major trade Bloom made involved bringing a prospect or young controllable player to the Sox. The Aldo ramirez for Schwarber represented one of the very rare prospect for Vet trade he has made.

 

Certainly, mistakes have been made- more than anyone of us wanted, but again, when you have so many holes to fill and limited funds, you end up signing guys for $3M to $10M, and you basically get what you pay for. Add to that, most of those low range deals were one year and done deals. What do you expect for a success rate for a $10M/1 SP'er? 50%? Well, Bloom went oh for 2, but in theory, one was supposed to fail, so he really missed by 50% not 100%. He did better on his $4-9M deals and had some great hits on even lesser ones, like Renfroe, Refsnyder, Schreiber, Whitlock, Bernardino and others.

 

It looks like Bloom will be here for 2024 and probably beyond. I thought this would be his "make or break" year, but I think JH sees it differently, and I can't say he's wrong for wanting long term success strategies put in place.

[Old Red]

His job isn’t a matter of opinion…

 

Everyone’s job is for matter of opinion even John Henry. Do you think John Henry is looked at by MOST fans today the same as he was 5 years ago? It all ties to the success, or lack of success by the big league ball club.

[mvp 78]

@redsoxstats

After the trade deadline passed last year, this series of events instantly started happening:

 

Tanner Houck on the 15-day IL

Chris Sale breaks wrist in bike accident

Nathan Eovaldi on the 15-day IL

James Paxton tears lat in rehab start

Kutter Crawford on the 15-day IL

 

Maybe the pendulum will swing the other direction this year. Still may not be enough to get into the postseason. Bloom doesn't think so anyway.

[mvp 78]

Everyone’s job is for matter of opinion even John Henry. Do you think John Henry is looked at by MOST fans today the same as he was 5 years ago? It all ties to the success, or lack of success by the big league ball club.

 

The opinion on Henry changed the day Mookie was traded. It has more to do with that than the wins and losses IMO.

[d-money]

Giolito is getting shelled today. One of those pitchers available at the trading deadline.

[Maxbialystock]

IMO, much of Bloom's biggest choices had to do with building for long term success. I think that came from the top.

 

I think seeing Bello, Casas, Duran, Wink and a few other make an impact on the current team has only solidified the strategy they chose during the 2019 season.

 

Like it or not, it seems clear all the talk of trying to stay competitive every year was mostly just talk. It may have been a low priority, but clearly not a top one.

 

Bloom drafted mostly HS players, the first few years. The loss of a year of development in 2020, slowed the maturation process, a bit. It's really impossible to know just how good all these new players and prospects will be. Bloom's final grade will not be know for many years.

 

The farm looks solid, on paper, with some weak areas, but in theory, it is much better than 2019's farm. Almost every major trade Bloom made involved bringing a prospect or young controllable player to the Sox. The Aldo ramirez for Schwarber represented one of the very rare prospect for Vet trade he has made.

 

Certainly, mistakes have been made- more than anyone of us wanted, but again, when you have so many holes to fill and limited funds, you end up signing guys for $3M to $10M, and you basically get what you pay for. Add to that, most of those low range deals were one year and done deals. What do you expect for a success rate for a $10M/1 SP'er? 50%? Well, Bloom went oh for 2, but in theory, one was supposed to fail, so he really missed by 50% not 100%. He did better on his $4-9M deals and had some great hits on even lesser ones, like Renfroe, Refsnyder, Schreiber, Whitlock, Bernardino and others.

 

It looks like Bloom will be here for 2024 and probably beyond. I thought this would be his "make or break" year, but I think JH sees it differently, and I can't say he's wrong for wanting long term success strategies put in place.

 

I basically agree on how JH sees things, which I like to call a sea change because he chose an executive coming from the Tampa Rays system, where they excel at spotting and developing talent without spending big bucks for it. I think the disaster of the 2019 Sox team, coming as it did immediately after the incredible success (with very talented players in both seasons) of 2018, convinced him to try something different.

 

As you have said, for decades the Sox have been good at developing position players, but not pitchers, whom they routinely acquired on the open market (and paid good money for). That's how they ended the 86 year drought and then won 3 more WS, more than any other MLB team, 2003 to today. Today it sure seems as though you can pay a lot of money and players for just one starter--and not get that much in return. Price and Sale of the 2019 Sox team are the perfect example. I believe the White Sox got prospect Moncada as part of the Sale sale.

[Old Red]

The opinion on Henry changed the day Mookie was traded. It has more to do with that than the wins and losses IMO.

 

It may have had at the time, because the Red Sox were only 1 year removed from a WS title, but that only added to the lack of success, and now.

[Old Red]

@redsoxstats

After the trade deadline passed last year, this series of events instantly started happening:

 

Tanner Houck on the 15-day IL

Chris Sale breaks wrist in bike accident

Nathan Eovaldi on the 15-day IL

James Paxton tears lat in rehab start

Kutter Crawford on the 15-day IL

 

Maybe the pendulum will swing the other direction this year. Still may not be enough to get into the postseason. Bloom doesn't think so anyway.

The talent is there, but is the consistency good enough with 3 wildcards in a watered down league?

[Maxbialystock]

The opinion on Henry changed the day Mookie was traded. It has more to do with that than the wins and losses IMO.

 

What opinion on Henry? I'm interested because JH is easily the best owner the Sox have ever had if you go by WS wins, etc. He has also show little hesitation in firing managers--Cora is his 5th--or GM/VP's--Bloom is also his 5th.

[Bellhorn04]

Yeah, his job is to make sure that BOH, Crockett, Romero, Toboni and others are doing their jobs. Bloom (or any one person) is physically incapable of doing all the things that people like to put on him. If you don't like how the Red Sox Org Chart is set up, you should talk to them.

 

We're talking about who is primarily responsible for roster construction. If that man for the Red Sox is not Chaim Bloom, it's a major news flash.

[Old Red]

We're talking about who is primarily responsible for roster construction. If that man for the Red Sox is not Chaim Bloom, it's a major news flash.

 

It appears that way at least to one.

[Maxbialystock]

@redsoxstats

After the trade deadline passed last year, this series of events instantly started happening:

 

Tanner Houck on the 15-day IL

Chris Sale breaks wrist in bike accident

Nathan Eovaldi on the 15-day IL

James Paxton tears lat in rehab start

Kutter Crawford on the 15-day IL

 

Maybe the pendulum will swing the other direction this year. Still may not be enough to get into the postseason. Bloom doesn't think so anyway.

 

I disagree. I think Bloom believes the Sox have a good shot at getting to the postseason. But spending big (money and/or prospects) for another starter would be justified only if the goal was to win the WS. For that to be the case, on July 31 the Sox had to have comfortable lead in the AL East.

[mvp 78]

What opinion on Henry? I'm interested because JH is easily the best owner the Sox have ever had if you go by WS wins, etc. He has also show little hesitation in firing managers--Cora is his 5th--or GM/VP's--Bloom is also his 5th.

 

How he was perceived by fans. I think trading Mookie really shook up the fanbase in their beliefs of ownership and the direction of this franchise.

 

Mookie fWAR

2020 2.8

2021 3.9 (his "injured/down" year)

2022 6.5

2023 4.7 (6.6 projected)

 

Seems like this team could have still used him in the lineup.

[Old Red]

What opinion on Henry? I'm interested because JH is easily the best owner the Sox have ever had if you go by WS wins, etc. He has also show little hesitation in firing managers--Cora is his 5th--or GM/VP's--Bloom is also his 5th.

 

Who said he wasn’t a good owner? I’m only saying the opinion on him has changed drastically by most not on here from when he first arrived in Boston, and even in the last 5 years of the what have you done for me lately crowd. The boos he gets when he shows his face in public is not a pat on the back.

[Bellhorn04]

It appears that way at least to one.

 

Now go see what mvp just said about Bloom in the "Fire Bloom" thread.

[mvp 78]

I disagree. I think Bloom believes the Sox have a good shot at getting to the postseason. But spending big (money and/or prospects) for another starter would be justified only if the goal was to win the WS. For that to be the case, on July 31 the Sox had to have comfortable lead in the AL East.

 

"Understanding that we're underdogs this year right now where we are in the playoff odds, we just tried to stay true to that."

 

I think he sees them as being on the outside looking in and not wanting to waste prospects on a lost year.

[dgalehouse]

Bloom was hired to field a sustainable, competitive ballclub , while keeping the spending down . He is in charge and we have to assume that he is the one making the decisions. And he has to be responsible for the results. Henry is a billionaire, who doesn't really know a heater from a sweeper from a slider from a hoagie.

[dgalehouse]

Giolito is getting shelled today. One of those pitchers available at the trading deadline.

 

A mid-season trade can be tough on a player. And there is very little time to make the adjustment. It is not uncommon to see them struggle after the trade.