Trade Deadline 2023

[notin]

Are we going to be buyers or sellers or staying put the next day and half? We are 2.5 out of wild card, effectively in last place with Yankees. Our relief has cost us two games now in SF. No offense.

 

The Sox aren’t going to replace Kenley Jansen at the deadline.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yes because:

 

1. All prospects ranked 11 and 14 in each system are equal

2. Jordan Montgomery was sadly the only pitch available

3. The deadline passed far too long ago…

 

I know: Fangraphs updated farm system rankings only places Boston 4th overall, just four spots ahead of Texas. Why would St. Louis want any of our guys.

 

Don't worry, Bloom will snag Carlos Carrasco one second before time runs out, and you'll only have to wait 13 minutes after the deadline for the official announcement.

[notin]

The impatience is rampant here, my child.

 

Ok let’s stop pretending this is something new. We’re all Baseball Freaks to some degree.

 

1. The “rest of the league” isn’t improving. So far it’s been Texas and the Dodgers. Outside of them, Houston and Toronto did each grab a bullpen arm. Lots - in fact most- of the buying teams in competition for postseason spots have yet to make a move.

 

2. Bloom isn’t going to make any deals until Tuesday. Again, most teams blah blah blah.

 

3. I have no idea who abloom will acquire, but I can predict with 100% accuracy most of you (myself potentially included) will hate his deal(s).

 

4. And yet somehow at least one of them will turn out to be a very good ballplayer that contributes…

[dgalehouse]

Rumor is the Phillies had a scout at today's Sox game. Supposedly looking at Duvall.

[notin]

I know: Fangraphs updated farm system rankings only places Boston 4th overall, just four spots ahead of Texas. Why would St. Louis want any of our guys.

 

Don't worry, Bloom will snag Carlos Carrasco one second before time runs out, and you'll only have to wait 13 minutes after the deadline for the official announcement.

 

 

My guess either St. Louis wasn’t targeting the #11 and #14 prospect and had certain level of MLB-readiness, or Bloom didn’t want rental pitcher…

Edited July 31, 2023 by notin

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The impatience is rampant here, my child.

 

Ok let’s stop pretending this is something new. We’re all Baseball Freaks to some degree.

 

1. The “rest of the league” isn’t improving. So far it’s been Texas and the Dodgers. Outside of them, Houston and Toronto did each grab a bullpen arm. Lots - in fact most- of the buying teams in competition for postseason spots have yet to make a move.

 

2. Bloom isn’t going to make any deals until Tuesday. Again, most teams blah blah blah.

 

3. I have no idea who abloom will acquire, but I can predict with 100% accuracy most of you (myself potentially included) will hate his deal(s).

 

4. And yet somehow at least one of them will turn out to be a very good ballplayer that contributes…

 

... once he returns from the IL.

 

Still, how many Edison Paulinos do we really need before he's redundant?

 

Paulino 21, 5'10, 155, '23 MiLB stats: .238, .717, 21 SBs.

 

Rafaela 22, 5'9, 165, '23 MiLB stats: .301, .830, 32 SBs.

 

Meidroth 22 5'9, 170, '23 MiLB stats: .285, .825, 11 SBs.

 

Bonaci 21, 5'10, 164, '23 MiLB stats: .305, .847, 6 SBs.

 

(notice how I didn't even mention other more highly-regarded middle infield prospects like Alcantara or Cespedes...)

[Larry Cook]

Rumor is the Phillies had a scout at today's Sox game. Supposedly looking at Duvall.

 

Now it our opportunity to fleece desperate Dave of his prospects!! Turn about is fair play!!!!

 

It is time for the Rafeala era !!!!!!

[Bellhorn04]

The impatience is rampant here, my child.

 

Ok let’s stop pretending this is something new. We’re all Baseball Freaks to some degree.

 

1. The “rest of the league” isn’t improving. So far it’s been Texas and the Dodgers. Outside of them, Houston and Toronto did each grab a bullpen arm. Lots - in fact most- of the buying teams in competition for postseason spots have yet to make a move.

 

2. Bloom isn’t going to make any deals until Tuesday. Again, most teams blah blah blah.

 

3. I have no idea who abloom will acquire, but I can predict with 100% accuracy most of you (myself potentially included) will hate his deal(s).

 

4. And yet somehow at least one of them will turn out to be a very good ballplayer that contributes…

 

Right, I mean, have we already forgotten last year's deadline, and Bloom's stunning stealth acquisitions of Hosmer, Pham and McGuire, that helped propel us to a 25-32 record after the August 2 deadline?

[Randy Red Sox]

no-one to the Red Sox yet

Montgomery to Rangers!

[notin]

Right, I mean, have we already forgotten last year's deadline, and Bloom's stunning stealth acquisitions of Hosmer, Pham and McGuire, that helped propel us to a 25-32 record after the August 2 deadline?

 

And that was where Bloom learned it was a mistake to rely on the health of Eovaldi.

 

But if you recall the 2021 deadline, no one was happy with the SchwarberRobles-Davis additions, but the Sox did manage to be one of the last four teams standing…

[notin]

Now it our opportunity to fleece desperate Dave of his prospects!! Turn about is fair play!!!!

 

It is time for the Rafeala era !!!!!!

 

The Phillies have no prospects to fleece

[notin]

... once he returns from the IL.

 

Still, how many Edison Paulinos do we really need before he's redundant?

 

Paulino 21, 5'10, 155, '23 MiLB stats: .238, .717, 21 SBs.

 

Rafaela 22, 5'9, 165, '23 MiLB stats: .301, .830, 32 SBs.

 

Meidroth 22 5'9, 170, '23 MiLB stats: .285, .825, 11 SBs.

 

Bonaci 21, 5'10, 164, '23 MiLB stats: .305, .847, 6 SBs.

 

(notice how I didn't even mention other more highly-regarded middle infield prospects like Alcantara or Cespedes...)

 

And you are 100% positive Paulino was the guy St. Louis wanted? You seem to be focusing on him as if you knew his name came up.

 

It’s like you seem to think they went in and said “We want your # 11 and your #14 prospects. We don’t care what level they’re at or what position they play. And we certainly don’t care how good they are at baseball. We just know want them for Montgomery.”

[notin]

Right, I mean, have we already forgotten last year's deadline, and Bloom's stunning stealth acquisitions of Hosmer, Pham and McGuire, that helped propel us to a 25-32 record after the August 2 deadline?

 

By the way, can I still make that prediction about how many more games Eovaldi starts this year? That still open?

[jacksonianmarch]

Sox should sell as should the Yanks

[d-money]

Sox should sell as should the Yanks

 

Tough division but neither the rays nor have the Orioles run away with this division.

[Duran Is The Man]

... once he returns from the IL.

 

Still, how many Edison Paulinos do we really need before he's redundant?

 

Paulino 21, 5'10, 155, '23 MiLB stats: .238, .717, 21 SBs.

 

Rafaela 22, 5'9, 165, '23 MiLB stats: .301, .830, 32 SBs.

 

Meidroth 22 5'9, 170, '23 MiLB stats: .285, .825, 11 SBs.

 

Bonaci 21, 5'10, 164, '23 MiLB stats: .305, .847, 6 SBs.

 

(notice how I didn't even mention other more highly-regarded middle infield prospects like Alcantara or Cespedes...)

 

 

that's what i'm wondering. the whole point (so i've been told) of drafting three dozen shortstops each year is so we can trade them for pitching. it appears that the Rangers are trying to win. Bloom....not so much. unless you count Mauricio Llovera as his big acquisition.

[moonslav59]

that's what i'm wondering. the whole point (so i've been told) of drafting three dozen shortstops each year is so we can trade them for pitching. it appears that the Rangers are trying to win. Bloom....not so much. unless you count Mauricio Llovera as his big acquisition.

 

We did pick up Reyes and Bernardino after opening day.

 

Bloom is going to make 2-3 trades. My guess is one sell (Duvall) and 2 buys (SP and MIF.)

[Duran Is The Man]

We did pick up Reyes and Bernardino after opening day.

 

Bloom is going to make 2-3 trades. My guess is one sell (Duvall) and 2 buys (SP and MIF.)

 

Bernardino has been good acquisition and a real surprise to me.

 

i'd be shocked if we pick up a decent quality pitcher and is a LHH MI that crucial? why not a RHH MI that could hit because Chang sure as hell can't.

[moonslav59]

Bernardino has been good acquisition and a real surprise to me.

 

i'd be shocked if we pick up a decent quality pitcher and is a LHH MI that crucial? why not a RHH MI that could hit because Chang sure as hell can't.

 

I'd rather we pass on MI help and go with 2 SP'ers.

[notin]

that's what i'm wondering. the whole point (so i've been told) of drafting three dozen shortstops each year is so we can trade them for pitching. it appears that the Rangers are trying to win. Bloom....not so much. unless you count Mauricio Llovera as his big acquisition.

 

Most high school shortstops are merely the best player on their team and will be moved elsewhere. Mookie Betts, Carlos Asuaje, Mauricio Dubon, Santiago Espinal and Michael Chavis were all shortstops when drafted but have moved on to other positions…

[Bellhorn04]

By the way, can I still make that prediction about how many more games Eovaldi starts this year? That still open?

 

No, you wussed out.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Most high school shortstops are merely the best player on their team and will be moved elsewhere. Mookie Betts, Carlos Asuaje, Mauricio Dubon, Santiago Espinal and Michael Chavis were all shortstops when drafted but have moved on to other positions…

 

But they're either too short to invest in longterm like Mookie, or too big to stay healthy like Judge.

 

The safe height is about 6'5, like Papelbon, who hit one over the Monster in BP just last month.

 

If I was 6'5, I bet I could... change the bulb in the kitchen light, without standing on a chair.

[cp176]

Most high school shortstops are merely the best player on their team and will be moved elsewhere. Mookie Betts, Carlos Asuaje, Mauricio Dubon, Santiago Espinal and Michael Chavis were all shortstops when drafted but have moved on to other positions…

 

Most high school shortstops would also be the best player at any other position on the field except perhaps catcher. And most very good high school catchers would be the best shortstops on their high school team. Oh well with all that said I would trade Verdugo yesterday and keep Duval.

[Duran Is The Man]

Most high school shortstops are merely the best player on their team and will be moved elsewhere. Mookie Betts, Carlos Asuaje, Mauricio Dubon, Santiago Espinal and Michael Chavis were all shortstops when drafted but have moved on to other positions…

 

i get that (i played SS & P myself ), but i thought the the point of drafting so many was to trade surplus for pitching. and we most definitely need pitching.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

i get that (i played SS & P myself ), but i thought the the point of drafting so many was to trade surplus for pitching. and we most definitely need pitching.

 

I fully expect Bloom will be all in today on the starter with the worst ERA in the National League on the last place Rockies: Austin Gomber.

 

A big lefty workhorse (more IP than any Red Sox pitcher) like Gomber who can win as many as he loses in Colorado can pitch anywhere.

 

Plus, here are bb-ref's Most Similar comps for Gomber: at age 28 Al Leiter, and at age 27 Jordan Montgomery.

 

But the main reason we need Gomber in Boston asap is for the fifth name on his most Similar Pitchers list: the legendary Cool Papa Bell, a lights-out Hall of Famer... not for his arm, but for being so quick he could turn off his bedroom lights and get under the covers before it got dark.

 

BTV has Gomber worth 4.6 and accepted a deal for Valdez and Dalbec -- in Mile High, they could hit 60 homers... some of them even fair! Rox are in sell mode -- make it happen, Chaim.

[Bellhorn04]

As another poster mentioned, the only deadline trade rumors involving the Sox are about Paxton, Duvall and now Verdugo...

[Bellhorn04]

Can't you just see Chaim and the spreadsheet guys conferring in the boardroom right now? "Hmmm, those 2 losses to the Giants pushed our chances of making the playoffs back under 40%...we all agreed that if we were under 40% on July 31, we're in Sell Mode..."

[Duran Is The Man]

]I fully expect Bloom will be all in today on the starter with the worst ERA in the National League on the last place Rockies: Austin Gomber. [/b]

 

A big lefty workhorse (more IP than any Red Sox pitcher) like Gomber who can win as many as he loses in Colorado can pitch anywhere.

 

Plus, here are bb-ref's Most Similar comps for Gomber: at age 28 Al Leiter, and at age 27 Jordan Montgomery.

 

But the main reason we need Gomber in Boston asap is for the fifth name on his most Similar Pitchers list: the legendary Cool Papa Bell, a lights-out Hall of Famer... not for his arm, but for being so quick he could turn off his bedroom lights and get under the covers before it got dark.

 

BTV has Gomber worth 4.6 and accepted a deal for Valdez and Dalbec -- in Mile High, they could hit 60 homers... some of them even fair! Rox are in sell mode -- make it happen, Chaim.

 

 

that wouldn't surprise me even a little.

[Nick]

As trade deadline approaches, Red Sox listening on Alex Verdugo (sources)

 

I seem to get mocked when I suggested the Sox may trade Verdugo to get a controlled starting pitcher (I think it was Moon) or that somehow I make things up. Well here it is.

 

It matters NOT what anyone here thinks.

 

It matters MOST what Bloom and his underlings are thinking.

 

The theme is this and 99% of posters get it.

 

BUILD THE CORE GROUP TO GO AFTER TITLES.

 

That means productive players under TEAM CONTROL.

 

Unfortunately for both Pivetta and Verdugo, they are in their Arbitration Year 2, meaning one more year before hitting FA.

 

The article CONFIRMS there's been no discussion of extension with the Verdugo camp.

 

Now that's not to say that it won't happen over the winter.

 

My feeling is Bloom is comfortable with prospects of Rafaela and Abreu coming up and filling the spots in outfield next year. Maybe not in the spring but by mid-summer.

 

You can always find a Duvall to fill in for awhile.

[Bellhorn04]

As trade deadline approaches, Red Sox listening on Alex Verdugo (sources)

 

I seem to get mocked when I suggested the Sox may trade Verdugo to get a controlled starting pitcher (I think it was Moon) or that somehow I make things up.

 

Trading Verdugo is looking likely. Getting back a controlled starting pitcher is the questionable part. Presumably they'd have to throw in a good prospect or two for that return...