Trade Deadline 2023

[moonslav59]

I have to reverse the order.

 

Looking at the money Bloom had to spend and all the holes he needed to fill, I’m not even sure Bloom underperformed, let alone to the point where it became the dominant factor in the team’s decline.

 

We tend to remember the bad ones more, and his biggest signings have been among the worst, but he also added or signed a lot of players that performed above expectations or pay scale.

 

I’m fine with anyone saying the net influence was negative, but to me not enough to pass declining vet production or lack of farm infusion.

 

It is possible to win without constant farm infusion. The 2004 team was mostly non homegrown, but Theo realised the importance of needing a strong and deep farm. He made it happen.

[moonslav59]

Look at BAl, ATL TBR and HOU.

 

How many homegrown regulars do they have?

 

True, the worst and cheapest teams might have over 20, but I like their models best.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I’m not talking stars. I’m talking decent regulars like JBJ, Nixon, Vazquez, Barnes, and so many others.

 

We got nobody better than Houck, who has been far from reliable or regular from the summer of ‘17 Devers call-up to the trio of prospects helping us in the spring and summer of ‘23.

 

Devers helped in 2018 and beyond, but the lack of farm infusion took a mighty toll on the roster. Most winning rosters have several contributing low cost players on the 26, and this allows more targeted spending on fewer needs.

 

A GM with a winter spending budget if $50M, but with just 3 slots to fill has a better chance at success than one with 10-12 holes to fill and the same $50M. That is what Bloom was handed in 2020 and 2021. That changed in March ‘22, but we had nog replaced the departing players with young, low cost players for too long to make much of a difference by signing better players.

 

I swear the signings were better in 22 than 21.

 

No doubt, other factors had major impact. I even named two and suggested there were others. If someone wants to say the tight budgets were 26% of the reason and lack of farm infusion was 24%, then we aren’t far apart.

 

The flop low-budget signings or trades weren't exclusive to just Bloom. Remember in '19, when Dombro beat everyone by trading for the best available starting pitcher weeks before the deadline? The guy was 9-3 with a 3.83 when the Sox added him to their staff. Then for some reason, he went 2-5 with a 6.20. His name was Cashner...

[Bellhorn04]

Perhaps I am. I’m curious why you seem to think it can’t be more important that the other factors taken individually.

 

Biggest factor does not mean 51+% responsible.

 

For 2019, I think it's on you to show how no farm help was the biggest factor.

[Bellhorn04]

Eovaldi was injured in 2019, but amazing in 2021.

 

-0.3 fWAR 2019

5.7 fWAR 2021

 

That's 6 wins right there.

 

Yes, that was a huge one.

[moonslav59]

For 2019, I think it's on you to show how no farm help was the biggest factor.

 

Third time. I’ve retracted 2019 alone.

 

I still think if you take the whole time period from 2019 to this spring in totality, tge lack of farm infusion is the biggest of several factors.

[Bellhorn04]

Third time. I’ve retracted 2019 alone.

 

I still think if you take the whole time period from 2019 to this spring in totality, the lack of farm infusion is the biggest of several factors.

 

I prefer to look at each season individually, so that's a major part of our disagreement.

 

As for the 4 year time period, the fact that the 2021 team almost made it to the World Series seems to counter the idea that there was a steady decline.

 

As for the general point that the farm is a big factor in success over the long haul, I certainly agree with that. I was not unhappy when they replaced DD with Bloom.

[dgalehouse]

One of the things to remember about the trade deadline is the anxiety it can cause for the players and their families. Not knowing where you are going to be a week from now. I know this is what they signed up for and they are well paid , but it has to be stressful for them.

[Hugh2]

One of the things to remember about the trade deadline is the anxiety it can cause for the players and their families. Not knowing where you are going to be a week from now. I know this is what they signed up for and they are well paid , but it has to be stressful for them.

 

This is a good point. It's easy to not feel sorry for them with the money they make but they're still people and they have families that the love and they have to think about possibly uprooting them and moving to another side of the country. That's a big deal.

[mvp 78]

This is a good point. It's easy to not feel sorry for them with the money they make but they're still people and they have families that the love and they have to think about possibly uprooting them and moving to another side of the country. That's a big deal.

 

Not sure they are uprooting their families for two months. They'll just wait until the offseason and see what happens.

[mvp 78]

@THEREAL_DV

#Dodgers #RedSox still very much engaged in trade talks for Kiké Hernandez.

 

Do LA Sports Radio guys have the goods?!?!?

[notin]

This is a good point. It's easy to not feel sorry for them with the money they make but they're still people and they have families that the love and they have to think about possibly uprooting them and moving to another side of the country. That's a big deal.

 

Plenty of them don’t have their families in the city they play already. And some don’t even have their families in the USA.

[mvp 78]

@chadjennings22

The Red Sox clubhouse is now closed to media, and there’s still no roster move announcement from the team.

 

Sox still need to make a MIF move for Reyes.

[Jasonbay44]

Kike Hernandez just got traded to Dodgers. No word on return yet

[mvp 78]

@Ken_Rosenthal

Dodgers getting Kiké Hernandez, sources tell me and

@FabianArdaya

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[mvp 78]

My grandfather in law will be in a great mood tonight.

[Old Red]

Kike Hernandez just got traded to Dodgers. No word on return yet

 

I said it at the time that Kike was resigned that the Red Sox could have done better with $10M, and I was right that it was a waste of $10M. Kike was way overrated by some on here, and imagine getting beat out by Chang, and Reyes.

[moonslav59]

Dealing Kine was the right move, despite his flex advantage over Duvall.

 

We may still end up trading Duvall, too, especially since Duran is doing so well, and Ref keeps raking lefties.

 

I hope that will be the extent of the “selling.”

 

Time to BUY!

[Old Red]

Kike got dealt, because he has sucked for 2/years now. Like I said he got beat out by Chang, and Reyes, so getting booted out of town is pretty simple to understand, and I don’t believe there was anymore to it than that. Edited July 25, 2023 by Old Red

[Larry Cook]

Dealing Kine was the right move, despite his flex advantage over Duvall.

 

We may still end up trading Duvall, too, especially since Duran is doing so well, and Ref keeps raking lefties.

 

I hope that will be the extent of the “selling.”

 

Time to BUY!

 

If we can find a sucker to take hernandez, we can find a sucker to take Duvall

 

If anybody gets hurt, we got Rafeala! That dude will swing at more pitches that Pablo sandavol, but at least he hits some of them!!!!

[Duran Is The Man]

I said it at the time that Kike was resigned that the Red Sox could have done better with $10M, and I was right that it was a waste of $10M. Kike was way overrated by some on here, and imagine getting beat out by Chang, and Reyes.

 

yeah, it was a waste, a huge waste, but in Bloom's defense (i can't believe i'm doing this), he was signed to play OF. and nobody saw Duran having the year he's having or all the injuries at SS that basically forced Kiké into that position for an extended period of time. had he spent all season in the OF, who knows, maybe he has a better year.

[Bellhorn04]

If we can find a sucker to take hernandez, we can find a sucker to take Duvall

 

Duvall has an .835 OPS and is a decent fielder. Not sure why people want him gone.

[Larry Cook]

Duvall has an .835 OPS and is a decent fielder. Not sure why people want him gone.

 

Selfishly, I want to see Rafeala!!! This kid is raw, but so exciting!!!!

[moonslav59]

If we can find a sucker to take hernandez, we can find a sucker to take Duvall

 

If anybody gets hurt, we got Rafeala! That dude will swing at more pitches that Pablo sandavol, but at least he hits some of them!!!!

 

Duvall is a damn good player.

[a700hitter]

Kike Hernandez just got traded to Dodgers. No word on return yet

Taking him is enough of a return.

[a700hitter]

I said it at the time that Kike was resigned that the Red Sox could have done better with $10M, and I was right that it was a waste of $10M. Kike was way overrated by some on here, and imagine getting beat out by Chang, and Reyes.

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[a700hitter]

Kike got dealt, because he has sucked for 2/years now. Like I said he got beat out by Chang, and Reyes, so getting booted out of town is pretty simple to understand, and I don’t believe there was anymore to it than that.

He was well below average with the bat and he stunk defensively at 2 positions:

[notin]

Duvall has an .835 OPS and is a decent fielder. Not sure why people want him gone.

 

His OPS since returning is well below .700.

 

I think the emergence of Duran is a bigger factor…

[notin]

Kike Hernandez just got traded to Dodgers. No word on return yet

 

Per MLBTR, a pair of upper minors relief pitchers…

[a700hitter]

Getting rid of Kike is the best move that Bloom has mad in a while. Kudos to Bloom and good riddance to Kike.