Red Sox Relief Pitching 2023

[mvp 78]

He may also get non-tendered after the season…

 

The guys we want to get non-tendered always get tendered.

[Old Red]

The Bra Man has signed a minor league contract with the Dodgers. Oh how the rich gets richer. Streakman to Tampa, and now this.

[Larry Cook]

Can we send j rodriguez to Oakland for a bag of used baseballs

[mvp 78]

@SmittyOnMLB

Jake Faria clears waivers and is outrighted to Worcester

 

[Bellhorn04]

@SmittyOnMLB

Jake Faria clears waivers and is outrighted to Worcester

 

 

With any luck there's another mopup job and more Talksox acclaim awaiting him somewhere down the road.

[mvp 78]

With any luck there's another mopup job and more Talksox acclaim awaiting him somewhere down the road.

 

Inshallah

[moonslav59]

When does scheiber get back

 

He is rehabbing. Cora said they wanted him to go back to back nights, but they might call him up before doing that.

[mvp 78]

@SoxProspects

John Schreiber worked a 1-2-3 seventh inning with a pair of strikeouts in his rehab assignment for the Portland Sea Dogs today.

[moonslav59]

@SoxProspects

John Schreiber worked a 1-2-3 seventh inning with a pair of strikeouts in his rehab assignment for the Portland Sea Dogs today.

 

Cora said they wanted JS to pitch back to back days before a call-up, so here it is. He did well in both. Maybe gets called up Sat or Sun.

 

Who goes down? Jacques?

 

[Larry Cook]

Cora said they wanted JS to pitch back to back days before a call-up, so here it is. He did well in both. Maybe gets called up Sat or Sun.

 

Who goes down? Jacques?

 

 

Jacques going down is additional by subtraction

[notin]

Jacques going down is additional by subtraction

 

“Addition by subtraction” is just subtraction…

[Randy Red Sox]

exactly

[Larry Cook]

“Addition by subtraction” is just subtraction…

 

Two negatives equals a positive!!!!!

[moonslav59]

“Addition by subtraction” is just subtraction…

 

if you replace a negative with a zero WAR guy, the addition by subtraction thing makes some sense, but is still not really accurate.

 

Adding Schreiber should be a big plus.

 

It looks like we may have no scrubs in our pen by mid August.

 

Our pen has been amazingly good and deep, but can get even better from just returning pitchers. Add 2 decent SP’ers and our pen could become the best it’s ever been!

[notin]

Two negatives equals a positive!!!!!

 

Only during multiplication, not during addition or subtraction…

[moonslav59]

Only during multiplication, not during addition or subtraction…

 

That is not untrue.

 

(See how I did that?)

[mvp 78]

@IanCundall

Red Sox RHP Garrett Whitlock in Worcester today: 2.1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K. 46 p/33 s/5 whiffs. Sinker 92-94, CH 82-84, sweeper 78-80. Got better as outing went on, but seemed to be feeling things out & lacked crispness. CH best secondary. Used frequently, 3/5 whiffs with it.

[mvp 78]

@SmittyOnMLB

‘Who cares?’ Red Sox’s Garrett Whitlock cool with any role, ‘ready to go’

He'll be used as a multi-inning reliever when he returns (maybe Sunday).

“Whatever I can do to help,” Whitlock said. “Whatever that looks like, I’m just excited for that.”

[vegasbob]

And the parade through the BP continues with Barraclough and Walters back up, Lamet DFA'ed, and Robertson sent down to WooSox . If this is an organization with a game plan to do anything except rearrange the deck chairs, please start showing some concept of how they will improve this team's abilities. Open tryouts time was last Spring.

[Bellhorn04]

And the parade through the BP continues with Barraclough and Walters back up, Lamet DFA'ed, and Robertson sent down to WooSox . If this is an organization with a game plan to do anything except rearrange the deck chairs, please start showing some concept of how they will improve this team's abilities. Open tryouts time was last Spring.

 

Back end of the pen is never a pretty thing. We've just seen way too much of it lately.

[vegasbob]

Back end of the pen is never a pretty thing. We've just seen way too much of it lately.

 

And overuse due to injuries among the "starters" exacerbates and exposes sharply the inabilities of the truly marginal talents we have seen at the back end of the pen.

[mvp 78]

And the parade through the BP continues with Barraclough and Walters back up, Lamet DFA'ed, and Robertson sent down to WooSox . If this is an organization with a game plan to do anything except rearrange the deck chairs, please start showing some concept of how they will improve this team's abilities. Open tryouts time was last Spring.

 

Barraclough could actually start if they wanted.

[moonslav59]

And overuse due to injuries among the "starters" exacerbates and exposes sharply the inabilities of the truly marginal talents we have seen at the back end of the pen.

 

Maybe some better pen depth guys would have done better than this parade of clowns had they not gotten hurt, either.

 

Not that all these guys were locks to do better, but some had promise:

 

Joely: while a 4.28 ERA and 1.39 WHIP from '20-'22 is not good, it's better than the ones we used.

Kelly was ranked 27t on SPs in DEC '22.

Mills might not have done better, but its hard to imagine worse.

Mata was widely viewed as our best ML ready prospects before he got hurt. His ranking of 6th on SP's in DEC was the highest ranked pitcher on the Sox farm.

We ended reaching down to Murphy and Walter, among other prospects, too

 

The other thing is just how many SP'ers and RP/SP types have gone down with injuries. Having to move so many RP's to the rotation or to pitch pen games killed us.

 

It's hard to name who our true starting 5 would have been had they all been healthy, but pick any 5 and look at how much the others could have helped the pen, had they not been needed to start. (Pivetta is unique, as he was demoted, did well in the pen, then went back to the rotation.)

 

Pick 5 and imagine the rest as deep pen help:

Sale

Paxton

Whitlock

Bello

Kluber

Paxton

Houck

Crawford

(Winckowski has not been used as a SP.)

[mvp 78]

Walter was optioned to AAA to make room for Sale.

[mvp 78]

@ByAndrewParker

Lefty Joe Jacques has been called up from Worcester by the Red Sox, source says.

[moonslav59]

@ByAndrewParker

Lefty Joe Jacques has been called up from Worcester by the Red Sox, source says.

 

Will he be the next Bear Claw?

[mvp 78]

Will he be the next Bear Claw?

 

Jacques is Bloom's 2nd best Rule 5 Draft pick??? (Whitlock, Arauz, Ort, Jacques)

 

They clearly didn't like what they saw with Brandon Walter the last go around!

[moonslav59]

The pen has been one of the most improved areas on the team from 2020-2022 vs 2023.

 

Some pen numbers:

 

OPS Against as RP ONLY

.471 Crawford

.561 Pivetta

.572 Martin

.657 Jansen

.662 Bernardino\

.680 Llovera

.738 Schreiber

 

Inherited run scored %

7 Martin

17 Bernardino

17 Jansen

22 Jacques

32 Wink

(32% is league avg.)

 

ERA as RP'er only

1.25 Martin

1.66 Crawford

2.70 Bernardino

2.81 Jansen

3.08 Pivetta

3.09 Wink

Edited August 30, 2023 by moonslav59