Red Sox Relief Pitching 2023

[mvp 78]

Thats what I heard about his second start, I have no ideal about his 3rd but you would think that is why the team would ask him to do that. Perhaps they think his other pitches are lagging behind the fastball. It sounds a little weird to me at this point, he should be up to speed by now after his 4th start.

 

He didn't really have a Spring Training, so I'm fine with him taking his time. It's been a LOOOONG time since he's pitched competitively. I don't care if the WOOSox win or lose.

[mvp 78]

In the rare event everyone is healthy, Bello will be in Worcester. Not sure who goes to the bullpen, but I’m fine with sending anyone if it means demoting Ort…

 

I've learned not to get my hopes up.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

So you think the Sox are going to pay Paxton $14mill since last year just to rehab and release him?

 

Not yet, first they'll try him in the bullpen, like they did with Richards. They already tried it with Paxton in Worcester, and that didn't go so well, relieving in early innings...

[mvp 78]

Paxton made $6M in 2022 and will make $4M in 2023.

 

I'm sure the plan was never to rehab and release, but if he never shows he has regained his stuff, it could happen. (My guess is they give him a chance.)

 

Last year's cost is out the door. They didn't pick up the option for him this year, Paxton picked up a player option. If they don't like what they see at all, why keep him around? If they really want to win, wouldn't they rather have the best players available on the active roster?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Last year's cost is out the door. They didn't pick up the option for him this year, Paxton picked up a player option. If they don't like what they see at all, why keep him around? If they really want to win, wouldn't they rather have the best players available on the active roster?

 

You sound like a teacher trying to reason with teenagers. How dare you put winning over payroll?

[Old Red]

Last year's cost is out the door. They didn't pick up the option for him this year, Paxton picked up a player option. If they don't like what they see at all, why keep him around? If they really want to win, wouldn't they rather have the best players available on the active roster?

If they get down to Paxton just for depth the Red Sox would be in a bad situation anyway. Bello, Kut Man, and Wink should be ahead of him anyways.

[mvp 78]

My argument is not Bello starting or not.

 

My argument is keeping Bello in AAA just as an emergency starter, to be available if a major league starter gets hurt. It has nothing to do with his performance apparently and Cora said so as much.

 

What logic is that? We are going to keep one of our 13 best pitchers on the farm? This is NOT the Rays team. We are in last place. And to think we have the LUXURY of keeping one of our top 13 pitchers RIGHT NOW on the farm?

 

So Bello is going to PAY THE PRICE because our current starters are bunch of pussies?

 

I'd fire our baseball people. I'm just getting tired of missteps. I'll say the same to Moon. It's idiotic to keep him 'stretched' IN CASE OF AN INJURY to someone else. We already have Kutter in that role.

 

I think it's more about the long term development of Bello. They want to keep him starting and give him the best chance to succeed. They also can't just DFA Kluber because it'll severely impact the Sox in the next FA class. Players aren't going to come here if they are just going to be DFA'd one month into the season.

 

The question is: how much value is there really to have an "innings eater" like Pivetta in the rotation? If the Sox want to win, they should have high ceiling guys, not the Pivettas of the world. They've also shot themselves in the dick over and over again by yo-yoing Whitlock and Houck in and out of the rotation and hindering their development. It just seems like their overall lack of the plan, or at least not sticking to one, has really impacted them whenever one thing goes wrong.

 

Their redundancies are injury prone players (Story, Arroyo, Mondesi, Paxton, Sale, Whitlock, etc.). That's not going to carry you through a season successfully.

[mvp 78]

If they get down to Paxton just for depth the Red Sox would be in a bad situation anyway. Bello, Kut Man, and Wink should be ahead of him anyways.

 

Two most likely scenarios IMO:

 

1. Stretch him out until he can go 6 innings. Let him get bombed a few turns in the rotation in BOS. DFA.

2. Stretch him out until he can go 6 innings. See if you can get him into the rotation. Anticipate a 60 Day IL somewhere along the way. No more than 5 GS for BOS?

[mvp 78]

You sound like a teacher trying to reason with teenagers. How dare you put winning over payroll?

 

It depends on how bad he's pitching, right? If he just straight up sucks, don't call him up.

[moonslav59]

Last year's cost is out the door. They didn't pick up the option for him this year, Paxton picked up a player option. If they don't like what they see at all, why keep him around? If they really want to win, wouldn't they rather have the best players available on the active roster?

 

True, but who is beating down the door to be added to the 40, so he can be called up to the bigs in the next month?

 

Not Drohan.

 

When Paxton's rehab is up, we'll have to decide, if he deserves a ML start or a DFA/trade.

 

Isn't there a time limit on rehabs for vets?

 

(I only mentioned the money to correct notin's $14M comment.)

[mvp 78]

True, but who is beating down the door to be added to the 40, so he can be called up to the bigs in the next month?

 

Not Drohan.

 

When Paxton's rehab is up, we'll have to decide, if he deserves a ML start or a DFA/trade.

 

Isn't there a time limit on rehabs for vets?

 

(I only mentioned the money to correct notin's $14M comment.)

 

He's got a 2.12 WHIP. It's not looking great right now. I'd rather have Ort pitching innings than the current version of Paxton.

[notin]

Last year's cost is out the door. They didn't pick up the option for him this year, Paxton picked up a player option. If they don't like what they see at all, why keep him around? If they really want to win, wouldn't they rather have the best players available on the active roster?

 

Why is last year’s cost out the door? They knew he was injured when they signed him, and if he wasn’t injured, in no way do they get him so cheap…

[mvp 78]

Why is last year’s cost out the door? They knew he was injured when they signed him, and if he wasn’t injured, in no way do they get him so cheap…

 

They were hopeful that he could pitch last season. Why didn't they pick up the club option? Were they happy to just let him go to FA after all that hard work rehabbing him last year?!??!?

[Nick]

I think it's more about the long term development of Bello. They want to keep him starting and give him the best chance to succeed. They also can't just DFA Kluber because it'll severely impact the Sox in the next FA class. Players aren't going to come here if they are just going to be DFA'd one month into the season.

 

The question is: how much value is there really to have an "innings eater" like Pivetta in the rotation? If the Sox want to win, they should have high ceiling guys, not the Pivettas of the world. They've also shot themselves in the dick over and over again by yo-yoing Whitlock and Houck in and out of the rotation and hindering their development. It just seems like their overall lack of the plan, or at least not sticking to one, has really impacted them whenever one thing goes wrong.

 

Their redundancies are injury prone players (Story, Arroyo, Mondesi, Paxton, Sale, Whitlock, etc.). That's not going to carry you through a season successfully.

 

Well said.....

[moonslav59]

He's got a 2.12 WHIP. It's not looking great right now. I'd rather have Ort pitching innings than the current version of Paxton.

 

Maybe. How much longer can Paxton rehab?

[mvp 78]

Maybe. How much longer can Paxton rehab?

 

Until Paxton complains about the IL stints. They kept Taylor rehabbing in AAA all last season.

[notin]

I think it's more about the long term development of Bello. They want to keep him starting and give him the best chance to succeed. They also can't just DFA Kluber because it'll severely impact the Sox in the next FA class. Players aren't going to come here if they are just going to be DFA'd one month into the season.

 

The question is: how much value is there really to have an "innings eater" like Pivetta in the rotation? If the Sox want to win, they should have high ceiling guys, not the Pivettas of the world. They've also shot themselves in the dick over and over again by yo-yoing Whitlock and Houck in and out of the rotation and hindering their development. It just seems like their overall lack of the plan, or at least not sticking to one, has really impacted them whenever one thing goes wrong.

 

Their redundancies are injury prone players (Story, Arroyo, Mondesi, Paxton, Sale, Whitlock, etc.). That's not going to carry you through a season successfully.

 

Yes the Sox will miss out on the entire class of aging veterans who can no longer reach 90 on the radar gun. I am pretty sure Shohei Ohtani isn’t going to factor in the brevity of Kluber’s Boston tenure when making career decisions.

 

They can’t DFA Kluber because, as awful as he has been, the Sox need enough SP to get through 136 more games. And even the occasional Kluber beat down might be oddly beneficial if he lasts at least 5 IP. Plus there is the hope that he can adjust and turn around this abysmal start using only his Veteran Craftiness. After all, he still only has a handful of (uninspiring) starts. But he also did a very good job against a Baltimore lineup that can absolutely hit…

[moonslav59]

Until Paxton complains about the IL stints. They kept Taylor rehabbing in AAA all last season.

 

It's hard to imagine Paxton trying to justify being ML ready, right now, but maybe after a couple good starts... (assuming that ever happens.)

[moonslav59]

Yes the Sox will miss out on the entire class of aging veterans who can no longer reach 90 on the radar gun. I am pretty sure Shohei Ohtani isn’t going to factor in the brevity of Kluber’s Boston tenure when making career decisions.

 

They can’t DFA Kluber because, as awful as he has been, the Sox need enough SP to get through 136 more games. And even the occasional Kluber beat down might be oddly beneficial if he lasts at least 5 IP. Plus there is the hope that he can adjust and turn around this abysmal start using only his Veteran Craftiness. After all, he still only has a handful of (uninspiring) starts. But he also did a very good job against a Baltimore lineup that can absolutely hit…

 

Kluber will still get paid and pitch somewhere.

 

Will the Bumgarner DFA mean AZ will never sign another big FA pitcher?

[Jasonbay44]

Fantastic news: Ort has been optioned to AAA. Hopefully a Brasier DFA is next

[moonslav59]

Fantastic news: Ort has been optioned to AAA. Hopefully a Brasier DFA is next

 

All I can say on Ort is, "What took it so long?"

 

One Brasier, "Please be soon!"

[notin]

Fantastic news: Ort has been optioned to AAA. Hopefully a Brasier DFA is next

 

If you’re lying I’m going to stay up all night sticking pins in a George Pickens doll…

[Jasonbay44]

If you’re lying I’m going to stay up all night sticking pins in a George Pickens doll…

 

 

It’ll be official tomorrow once Martin is activated

[moonslav59]

According to CBSMLB, Joely Rodriguez may come off the IL on May 5th.

 

Paxton may be called up, if he begins pitching well, at some point.

 

Whitlock is unknown. (They say May 10th.)

 

Wyatt Mills is due around May 30th, but it's not clear he is a better than our number 13, anyway.

 

For everyday players....

 

June 1st Duvall (at the earliest)

June 1st Mondesi

June 10 Chang

July 14th Story

 

[mvp 78]

The next move to be made will be to waive Bernardino when Joely returns.

 

Then they'll option Crawford to make room for Paxton.

 

Brasier survives.

[Bellhorn04]

The next move to be made will be to waive Bernardino when Joely returns.

 

Then they'll option Crawford to make room for Paxton.

 

Brasier survives.

 

He's a cat.

[mvp 78]

He's a cat.

 

IDK, they really "value" the utility of having options and on a player. That's why guys like Ort stick around. Brasier stuck around because he had arb years and they liked his bb rate. He no longer has future years of control or any remaining options. He's a guy on a $2.5M-ish contract that probably should have just been nontendered this offseason as most of us correctly said prior to being tendered. They probably give him another month or so to figure it out or wait for the wheels to REALLY fall off.

[Old Red]

The next move to be made will be to waive Bernardino when Joely returns.

 

Then they'll option Crawford to make room for Paxton.

 

Brasier survives.

I can’t see the Kut Man being sent down. Him, and Wink have really solidified the front end of the pen.

[mvp 78]

I can’t see the Kut Man being sent down. Him, and Wink have really solidified the front end of the pen.

 

I can't see Brasier being DFA'd, since Chaim is the one making decisions.

[Old Red]

I can't see Brasier being DFA'd, since Chaim is the one making decisions.

 

Maybe, but to send the Kut Man down just, because he has options, and keeping Bra Man would not be a way to go for me.