2023 Prospects

[Bellhorn04]

Dave didn’t know who Bello was at signing. Houck was a mess until 2020.

 

The one guy he certainly scouted and knew was Casas.

 

I just can't get that deep into the credit-giving thing, although I respect that you do.

 

Did Epstein hand-pick Bogaerts? Did Ben hand-pick Devers? I have no idea. I've always just given them credit.

[moonslav59]

While the big club cobbled together a pen game, today, Sale went 4.1 with Woo:

0 ER

3 H

0 BB

7 K

 

While the big club was floundering at the plate vs TOR, Trevor Story, the guy Cora said would be called up v TOR, homered for Woo while going 2-3. He also doubled and walked twice.

 

RHernandez homered, again (14th). His OPS is now up to .837.

Dalbec hit his 27th (.996 OPS.)

Rafaela 3-5

 

POR won 11-2

Coffey: 6IP, 4H, 2ER, 3BB, 7K

Rosier is elbowing his way into the conversation (3-5 w HR)

Hickey 2-3 w BB

Jordan 2-5 w HR

 

GRE is up 8-6 in the 8th by scoring 7 in the 7th.

Paulino homered (2-4)

 

SAL lost 8-5

Dean last two-thirds

Jh Garcia 2-4 (the other J Garcia) w 2B

Romero 1-5 w 2B

Asigen 2-3 w BB & 2B

 

 

[notin]

I just can't get that deep into the credit-giving thing, although I respect that you do.

 

Did Epstein hand-pick Bogaerts? Did Ben hand-pick Devers? I have no idea. I've always just given them credit.

 

I look at it simply.

 

The GM overseas the draft process and is responsible for the work done by his underlings. Dombrowski may have had no idea who Bello was, but he clearly knew enough to listen to the guy who did…

[moonslav59]

I look at it simply.

 

The GM overseas the draft process and is responsible for the work done by his underlings. Dombrowski may have had no idea who Bello was, but he clearly knew enough to listen to the guy who did…

 

What if those guys told him to trade Bello?

 

LOL

[mvp 78]

I just can't get that deep into the credit-giving thing, although I respect that you do.

 

Did Epstein hand-pick Bogaerts? Did Ben hand-pick Devers? I have no idea. I've always just given them credit.

 

Got it. I think some people REALLY want to give certain people credit over others. Like I've said, it's easier to use "DD" and "Bloom" as shorthand for that era of Front Office.

[mvp 78]

I look at it simply.

 

The GM overseas the draft process and is responsible for the work done by his underlings. Dombrowski may have had no idea who Bello was, but he clearly knew enough to listen to the guy who did…

 

They didn't draft Bello? Bello was a $28k signing. Just a guy on a list.

[Bellhorn04]

They didn't draft Bello? Bello was a $28k signing. Just a guy on a list.

 

For the casual observer of these things, can we please have some sort of one-size-fits-all term that covers both draftees and international signees?

[Hugh2]

For the casual observer of these things, can we please have some sort of one-size-fits-all term that covers both draftees and international signees?

 

Prospects

[Hugh2]

I look at it simply.

 

The GM overseas the draft process and is responsible for the work done by his underlings. Dombrowski may have had no idea who Bello was, but he clearly knew enough to listen to the guy who did…

 

I will almost gurantee you Dombrowski had no ideal who Bello was.

 

Dave, and Bloom for this matter get way too much blame and credit for specific prospects. Aside from your top pick, they have almost nothing to do with the process.

 

That's why it really grinds my gears when someone says "yeah well wasn't Rafaela a DD guy". I suppose the quick answer to that question is "yes" but the longer answer is "no he really isn't"

[Hugh2]

GM's are people in their position can direct strategy and probably have their hands involved with the first draft pick or two.

 

For example, Bloom may set the strategy of going under slot with the first pick and direct his scouting department to identify players they can draft later and give overslot bonuses too. But who knows how involved he is when players fall and they have to switch gears. My guess is that a LOT of that is on the director of amateur scouting.

 

A great example of this was the 2022 draft. The Sox likely identified Mickey Romero has a good talent worthy of a late first-round pick who would sign for under slot, and then they could use a lot of that money in later rounds to sign guys like Roman Anthony and cutter Coffey. I think Bloom probably had his hands in those three names.

 

After that, I don't think he's ever heard of any of these guys.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

For the casual observer of these things, can we please have some sort of one-size-fits-all term that covers both draftees and international signees?

 

R & D (recruits and draftees)

[notin]

For the casual observer of these things, can we please have some sort of one-size-fits-all term that covers both draftees and international signees?

 

Minor leaguers…

[mvp 78]

For the casual observer of these things, can we please have some sort of one-size-fits-all term that covers both draftees and international signees?

 

No!

[mvp 78]

I will almost gurantee you Dombrowski had no ideal who Bello was.

 

Dave, and Bloom for this matter get way too much blame and credit for specific prospects. Aside from your top pick, they have almost nothing to do with the process.

 

That's why it really grinds my gears when someone says "yeah well wasn't Rafaela a DD guy". I suppose the quick answer to that question is "yes" but the longer answer is "no he really isn't"

 

The CBO/GM will know the first few rounds of guys. The CBO/GM will know the large IFA contracts. Anyone else is a scout pick.

[mvp 78]

Minor leaguers…

 

Jerkoffs.

[sk7326]

Dave didn’t know who Bello was at signing. Houck was a mess until 2020.

 

The one guy he certainly scouted and knew was Casas.

 

How the team handled Houck under Dombrowski clearly did not work. That said, I think the scouting report they had for Houck has turned out to be mostly right.

[sk7326]

Rafael's bat is raw ... but the ability for a teeny tiny dude to drive a ball up in the strike zone is very evocative of a certain former second baseman

[mvp 78]

Rafael's bat is raw ... but the ability for a teeny tiny dude to drive a ball up in the strike zone is very evocative of a certain former second baseman

 

If he knew the strike zone the way Pedey did, he would already be on the roster. With the way he's hitting, he's forcing the issue though. It's great to see.

[moonslav59]

I can see a chance rafaela shocks us all and immediately hits MLB pitchers well.

 

He's one of those guys that you throw away all the reports.

 

Just my take.

[Hugh2]

I can see a chance rafaela shocks us all and immediately hits MLB pitchers well.

 

He's one of those guys that you throw away all the reports.

 

Just my take.

 

He ain’t that guy yet! He has to do it at the MLB level against pitchers that should be able to expose him. It will be interesting to see how he handles that adjustment.

 

Regardless, he’s an interesting guy for sure, and I love how he’s pushing the envelope

[moonslav59]

He ain’t that guy yet! He has to do it at the MLB level against pitchers that should be able to expose him. It will be interesting to see how he handles that adjustment.

 

Regardless, he’s an interesting guy for sure, and I love how he’s pushing the envelope

 

I'm not sure he'd do well. It's just a gut feeling, but there sure is a chance he'd be exposed.

 

His D can only carry him so far. He'd have to hit, pretty quickly, to stay around.

 

I look forward to that test.

 

[mvp 78]

Teel was assigned to High A Greenville.

[mvp 78]

Greenville had the biggest hole at C. He’s a good fit there and can get most of the reps.

[moonslav59]

It looks like our farm catching is shaping up very nicely:

 

5. Teel A+

 

14. Joh. Garcia FCL

 

18. Hickey AA

 

36. Brannon A-

 

41. Scott AAA

 

53. Lira A-

 

NR. AAA RHern, CHam, ORangel

 

[Hugh2]

I'm not sure he'd do well. It's just a gut feeling, but there sure is a chance he'd be exposed.

 

His D can only carry him so far. He'd have to hit, pretty quickly, to stay around.

 

I look forward to that test.

 

 

I think his D and speed is so good he's going to stick around, it's just if he can't hit he's not going to be a starter.

 

High floor with him.

[moonslav59]

I think his D and speed is so good he's going to stick around, it's just if he can't hit he's not going to be a starter.

 

High floor with him.

 

He may not need to hit above .650 or .675 to be given a very long look.

 

JBJ was given over 600 PAs and 180+ games, before his bat kicked into high gear.

[Hugh2]

He may not need to hit above .650 or .675 to be given a very long look.

 

JBJ was given over 600 PAs and 180+ games, before his bat kicked into high gear.

 

JBJ was also rushed as well, which only makes the argument stronger for not rushing Ceddanne

[mvp 78]

It looks like our farm catching is shaping up very nicely:

 

5. Teel A+

 

14. Joh. Garcia FCL

 

18. Hickey AA

 

36. Brannon A-

 

41. Scott AAA

 

53. Lira A-

 

NR. AAA RHern, CHam, ORangel

 

 

Teel and Garcia are the only guys that have the skills to be able to realistically field the position full time and not be an 8th or 9th of the order bat. I wonder if Teel pushes Hickey off C at some point next season or if they keep him there for the reps? I think they should consider getting Hickey a LFer glove to increase his utility. He has no chance of being an MLB C right now. 0 CS this year.

[mvp 78]

JBJ was also rushed as well, which only makes the argument stronger for not rushing Ceddanne

 

JBJ skipped AAA before appearing in an MLB game. He was on the Opening Day roster in 2013 because of his hot Spring Training. He only had an 810 OPS at AA the year before. He was NOT ready (only about 600 professional AB's prior to appearing in MLB at age 22).

 

Rafaela seems much more ready. Doesn't mean it'll work!

[moonslav59]

JBJ was also rushed as well, which only makes the argument stronger for not rushing Ceddanne

 

I'm all for letting Sox management pick the time they think Rafaela is ML ready. I'm even fine with the idea of delaying a ML ready Rafaela a little bit to gain a year of service in his prime.

 

I'm just saying, my gut says he will be fine at the plate, sooner than many might think he is. That's not saying I know more than them, or that I think they are wrong not to rush him.