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[Red Foreman]

To the Yankess 6 yes $162M

[moonslav59]

$27M x 6

 

The Yank's budget is tightening.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks playing with the big boys now. That’s a hell of a rotation, gotta add to the offense now

[moonslav59]

Yanks playing with the big boys now. That’s a hell of a rotation, gotta add to the offense now

 

So, the wallet is going to open wider?

[iortiz]

If Sox sign Swanson, Eovaldi and Wacha, things will get interesting in the east.

[moonslav59]

If Sox sign Swanson, Eovaldi and Wacha, things will get interesting in the east.

 

Impossible.

 

We are not going over the tax line.

[d-money]

Meanwhile the sox are playing small ball. We are a small market team lol.

[Jasonbay44]

If Sox sign Swanson, Eovaldi and Wacha, things will get interesting in the east.

 

I’d be surprised if they signed any of those guys

[d-money]

So, the wallet is going to open wider?

 

No such thing as a limit with the Yankees.

[moonslav59]

No such thing as a limit with the Yankees.

 

They have been relatively cheap for a few years now, as compared to the "George years." They used to be number 1 or 2 for years and years.

 

They reset in 2018 and 2021, so they have not gone over for 3 straight years since up 2017 and before.

 

It remains to be seen, if they reset in 2024, and if the do, things will get tight.

[a700hitter]

Bloom is knocking it out of the park with the lowered expectations. Most people agreed that this off-season was pivotal for Bloom. It looks like he pivoted to secure last place.

[Old Red]

Bloom is knocking it out of the park with the lowered expectations. Most people agreed that this off-season was pivotal for Bloom. It looks like he pivoted to secure last place.

 

He didn’t have to pivot at all.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom is knocking it out of the park with the lowered expectations. Most people agreed that this off-season was pivotal for Bloom. It looks like he pivoted to secure last place.

 

We said it would be a flashpoint for him. Instead it's looking like a flushpoint.

[Bellhorn04]

The next free agent dominoes to fall are Eovaldi and Kluber. After that there isn't much.

 

If Bloom doesn't sign either of those two, and doesn't make a significant trade for a starter...(fill in your own thoughts).

[Old Red]

The next free agent dominoes to fall are Eovaldi and Kluber. After that there isn't much.

 

If Bloom doesn't sign either of those two, and doesn't make a significant trade for a starter...(fill in your own thoughts).

 

We’re not losing trust, and faith in Bloom are we?

[Bellhorn04]

We’re not losing trust, and faith in Bloom are we?

 

I already said I have zero faith in him right now, especially after what he said about Story. The only thing I can figure is that they've decided to punt this year after all. What's really bad is punting or tanking is looking like a better idea all the time.

[Old Red]

I already said I have zero faith in him right now, especially after what he said about Story. The only thing I can figure is that they've decided to punt this year after all. What's really bad is punting or tanking is looking like a better idea all the time.

 

That statement about Story was more of a head scratcher than the JBJ trade. His range has nothing whatsoever to do with his arm strength from the SS hole.

[moonslav59]

I already said I have zero faith in him right now, especially after what he said about Story.

 

It was hard to understand what he was saying, but I think he meant Story's weak arm will be outweighed by his exceptional range, and with no shift, anymore, having exceptional range may make SS range more important than it has been for a while. He is quite an athlete.

 

The reports on his arm may be overblown.

 

BTW, fangraphs had Swanson as the highest ranked SS on defense, despite his reported "weak arm."

 

I'm more worried about Arroyo and E Valdez at 2B, of them deciding to put Kike at 2B and Refsnyder or Dugo in CF and Ref in RF.

[Bellhorn04]

It was hard to understand what he was saying, but I think he meant Story's weak arm will be outweighed by his exceptional range, and with no shift, anymore, having exceptional range may make SS range more important than it has been for a while. He is quite an athlete.

 

The reports on his arm may be overblown.

 

BTW, fangraphs had Swanson as the highest ranked SS on defense, despite his reported "weak arm."

 

I'm more worried about Arroyo and E Valdez at 2B, of them deciding to put Kike at 2B and Refsnyder or Dugo in CF and Ref in RF.

 

Yes, there's plenty to worry about.

[Jasonbay44]

Yes, there's plenty to worry about.

 

I'm worried about basically every facet of the team at this point.

[moonslav59]

Yes, there's plenty to worry about.

 

It does look like 2024 is more of a priority than 2023, but there were a few deals that might have been made that would have helped both, and beyond.

 

I really can't bring myself to believe that Henry is in a cocoon or just doesn't care what is going on around Sox Nation to not snap out of it, and do something spectacular by opening day.

 

The options are coming down to just a trade or trades, and with the future being the untouchable goal, I'm not sure how they can pull it off, or if it would even make sense, at this point.

 

The plan seems to have been to replace Bogey with Mayer, so how do we now trade Mayer?

 

Our rotation is already heavily depending on Bello and maybe even Mata, so how do we trade one of them?

 

We need a RF'er and Kike has one year of control left. Yoshida can only play LF or DH, so how do we trade Rafaela?

 

We don't get a high impact player for Yorke, Walter and Romero, and I doubt they'd even consider trading them or Bleis, for that matter.

 

Is the plan really to reset and splurge, next winter?

 

Can Sox nation stomach another off year and promises of "next year we will be better?"

 

We are fast running out of options to get us just past respectability and having a sliver of grander hoped for more than a WC game.

[moonslav59]

I'm worried about basically every facet of the team at this point.

 

I'm not.

 

I like ...

 

1B Casas

LF/DH Yoshida/Dugo

CF Kike

Story at 2B- not so much at SS

Devers at 3B, assuming he's not traded

I actually like McGuire and Wong but am not ready to say I'm not worried about catcher.

 

I like our pen- that's a first.

 

I like Whitlock & Bello as maybe our 3-4 starters with Pivetta as the 5, but right now, they may be our 1-2-3.

 

I'm very hopeful we some good things from some or most of these guys: Mata, Kelly, German and maybe some important minor roles filled by some or most of these guys: Wong, Crawford, Wink, Seabold, Walter, Murphy, EValdez or even- gasp- Sale or Paxton. (I know enough not to even dream both can do anything good.)

 

I know these are some gaping holes, but to me, there are only 3 (like that's not a lot): SS, RF, SP.

 

The problem is, we need major pluses from those three, and then the other 23 would look okay, but what are the chances we get even one major plus?

 

[Nick]

It does look like 2024 is more of a priority than 2023, but there were a few deals that might have been made that would have helped both, and beyond.

 

I really can't bring myself to believe that Henry is in a cocoon or just doesn't care what is going on around Sox Nation to not snap out of it, and do something spectacular by opening day.

 

The options are coming down to just a trade or trades, and with the future being the untouchable goal, I'm not sure how they can pull it off, or if it would even make sense, at this point.

 

The plan seems to have been to replace Bogey with Mayer, so how do we now trade Mayer?

 

Our rotation is already heavily depending on Bello and maybe even Mata, so how do we trade one of them?

 

We need a RF'er and Kike has one year of control left. Yoshida can only play LF or DH, so how do we trade Rafaela?

 

We don't get a high impact player for Yorke, Walter and Romero, and I doubt they'd even consider trading them or Bleis, for that matter.

 

Is the plan really to reset and splurge, next winter?

 

Can Sox nation stomach another off year and promises of "next year we will be better?"

 

We are fast running out of options to get us just past respectability and having a sliver of grander hoped for more than a WC game.

 

I am against trading away our young talent.

 

With Bloom's approach, he needs another season for younger kids to grow a year older and hopefully get better.

 

As I've said often, I'm having trouble nailing down the core group that will get us to the playoffs annually.

 

My concerns would be alleviated if we do extend Devers this winter. Right now I'm not very optimistic of that happening.

 

So the core group right now consists of Story (due to his contract length), Yoshida, Casas, Bello, Whitlock, Houck and maybe couple of others.

 

That is not a deep roster. It was stupid not to get under the tax limit during July. Bloom basically treaded water. Did just enough not to piss off the fanbase. See what that got us.

Edited December 16, 2022 by Nick

[moonslav59]

I am against trading away our young talent.

 

With Bloom's approach, he needs another season for younger kids to grow a year older and hopefully get better.

 

As I've said often, I'm having trouble nailing down the core group that will get us to the playoffs annually.

 

My concerns would be alleviated if we do extend Devers this winter. Right now I'm not very optimistic of that happening.

 

So the core group right now consists of Story (due to his contract length), Yoshida, Casas, Bello, Whitlock, Houck and maybe couple of others.

 

That is not a deep roster. It was stupid not to get under the tax limit during July. Bloom basically treaded water. Did just enough not to piss off the fanbase. See what that got us.

 

Maybe the reason we haven't spent more, so far, is they plan on extending Devers, starting in 2023, so the AAV is lower, later on, when we plan to reset.

[moonslav59]

That is not a deep roster. It was stupid not to get under the tax limit during July. Bloom basically treaded water. Did just enough not to piss off the fanbase. See what that got us.

 

Basically, my point, this past summer.

 

The brass was too afraid of pissing off the fans by working to reset, and ended up making them very happy, this winter.

 

I blamed it on "crybaby fans," and took a lot of grief on the semantics, but the theory seems as right now as it did, then. Where did it get us?

 

Just stick to the long term plan and do what's best for the team. Fans get over unpopular moves, as long as you win. Now, we got neither.

 

Not only would staying under the tax line, this season given us more budget flexibility, we'd have gotten two comp picks after the 2nd round not the 4th round, next draft.

 

They screw up when the start changing the plan mid-stride. I'm with you. Stick to the plan, but it sure does suck, they blew a chance to be much better in 2023 on the way to even better things afterwards.

 

Now, I'm hearing people talking tanking.

[jacksonianmarch]

Bloom has done wonders for the MiLB system, but not because he’s added tremendous talent, mostly because he has had a bad team that allowed for a high pick and he’s not trading away his diamonds in the rough. Mayer is special and you only get a guy like that when you suck.

 

But he made a MASSIVE error in not tearing down at the break. Massive. He knew they weren’t gonna keep Bogaerts. He knew he wasnt gonna try and keep Eovaldi. What’s the point of them playing out a string and getting a 4th rounder for them?

[Old Red]

Basically, my point, this past summer.

 

The brass was too afraid of pissing off the fans by working to reset, and ended up making them very happy, this winter.

 

I blamed it on "crybaby fans," and took a lot of grief on the semantics, but the theory seems as right now as it did, then. Where did it get us?

 

Just stick to the long term plan and do what's best for the team. Fans get over unpopular moves, as long as you win. Now, we got neither.

 

Not only would staying under the tax line, this season given us more budget flexibility, we'd have gotten two comp picks after the 2nd round not the 4th round, next draft.

 

They screw up when the start changing the plan mid-stride. I'm with you. Stick to the plan, but it sure does suck, they blew a chance to be much better in 2023 on the way to even better things afterwards.

 

Now, I'm hearing people talking tanking.

 

Sounds like you are doing what you accuse other fans of being. A crybaby fan. There were all kinds of reasons for last years finish, from injuries to lack of production from the big stars, but Bloom had a lot to do with it too starting with his infamous JBJ trade, his very bad failed plan for the back end of the BP to start the season, and then of course his do nothing approach to the 1B, CF problem of Franchy Strangeglove, and Duran the Butterfly Man, until the trade deadline. There were still in it at that point, and to me still should have gone for a postseason birth. You didn’t like it, but many did.

[Old Red]

Basically, my point, this past summer.

 

The brass was too afraid of pissing off the fans by working to reset, and ended up making them very happy, this winter.

 

I blamed it on "crybaby fans," and took a lot of grief on the semantics, but the theory seems as right now as it did, then. Where did it get us?

 

Just stick to the long term plan and do what's best for the team. Fans get over unpopular moves, as long as you win. Now, we got neither.

 

Not only would staying under the tax line, this season given us more budget flexibility, we'd have gotten two comp picks after the 2nd round not the 4th round, next draft.

 

They screw up when the start changing the plan mid-stride. I'm with you. Stick to the plan, but it sure does suck, they blew a chance to be much better in 2023 on the way to even better things afterwards.

 

Now, I'm hearing people talking tanking.

You are hearing a couple on here talk about tanking. Hearing it anywhere else? I’m not.Tell that to the ticket buyers who are even paying more money this year, and see how that works.

[oldtimer]

I am against trading away our young talent.

 

With Bloom's approach, he needs another season for younger kids to grow a year older and hopefully get better.

 

As I've said often, I'm having trouble nailing down the core group that will get us to the playoffs annually.

 

My concerns would be alleviated if we do extend Devers this winter. Right now I'm not very optimistic of that happening.

 

So the core group right now consists of Story (due to his contract length), Yoshida, Casas, Bello, Whitlock, Houck angetd maybe couple of others.

 

That is not a deep roster. It was stupid not to get under the tax limit during July. Bloom basically treaded water. Did just enough not to piss off the fanbase. See what that got us.

 

I agree that it was a bad mistake not to reset last season making it a necessity to reset in the 2023 season, given that they probably understood Bogey was going. No amount of spending in the off season would realistically make the team competitive in the 2023 season without jeopardizing the team's longer term future. I now doubt that they can keep Devers as he can get a big contract from a playoff caliber team in the offseason. I believe Moon has opined that it might be better to trade Devers and look to 2024 as the year to make a splash.

 

Given where we are at this point, aiming for 2024 does make the most sense, but the Sox front office should be honest with the fan base that the plan has now changed to aim for 2024 and later. Keeping our best young prospects would be a sign that the plan is for 2024 and later. Will Bloom survive another poor result in 2023 and the trade or failure to sign Devers? Stay tuned.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

How can the Red Sox tank when they're going to be way better?

 

For those who somehow think Henry will suddenly have an epiphany and start spending like the before he was very old days, the question is only: on what? All the top free agent starting pitchers are now signed... in this offseason with tons of money coming off the Boston books that would supposedly define the Bloom Era.

 

The Sox lost three starting pitchers, and haven't replaced them... but have confidence in Bloom's adamance about putting Whitlock and Houck in the rotation: "we would be silly to deny them a chance to reach that ceiling."

 

Here's his plan: "We'll see how it plays out..."