Devers next deal

[moonslav59]

Either Bloom botched it, or Henry said "No, we're not paying those f**ing guys. Just keep lying, Chaim."

 

It's hard to think they are all so dumb as to believe their top priority was to sign Bogey under market value.

 

If you are dumb, saying Bogey at below the rates is our top priority is not technically a lie.

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I thought the early signings, like with Whitlock and what the Braves and Rays do was best.

 

No DD criticism, here, for not locking all of them up pre or during their arb years?

 

Devers' first full season was 2018, but his first as a total stud batter was 2019, the same year Chaim Bloom took over as CBO...

[Bellhorn04]

It's hard to think they are all so dumb as to believe their top priority was to sign Bogey under market value.

 

If you are dumb, saying Bogey at below the rates is our top priority is not technically a lie.

 

 

Either they were surprised by the market for Bogey and the prices, or they were lying.

 

Based on their track record, it's pretty hard to give the benefit of the doubt any more.

[Old Red]

Either Bloom botched it, or Henry said "No, we're not paying those f**ing guys. Just keep lying, Chaim."

 

I just believe that Bloom just read the room so bad on where the price would go on Bogey compared to the thinking that they were never going to pay Bogey $150M-$200M. Bloom reports to Henry, but i believe Henry gets his info from Bloom, and Bloom’s info was so far off that the whole thing was BOTCHED, and most of the blame goes to Bloom.

[Old Red]

To keep blaming DD for not locking them up is fine, but it doesn’t take away any of the responsibilities of Bloom. It’s an undisputed fact Bloom had three years to work on Bogey, and Raffy, and what he should have done in those 3 years is the question.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Either they were surprised by the market for Bogey and the prices, or they were lying.

 

Based on their track record, it's pretty hard to give the benefit of the doubt any more.

 

Their Number One Priority is really to never tell the public their Number One Priority.

[moonslav59]

Devers' first full season was 2018, but his first as a total stud batter was 2019, the same year Chaim Bloom took over as CBO...

 

After the 2019 season, yes.

 

Both could have tried to lock him up at a much younger age- even to just add 1-2 years of control beyond the arb years.

 

If we are talking about real smart extensions, then Betts and Bogey could/should have been extended under DD, but of course, no blame can ever be directed towards him, by some, here.

[moonslav59]

To keep blaming DD for not locking them up is fine, but it doesn’t take away any of the responsibilities of Bloom. It’s an undisputed fact Bloom had three years to work on Bogey, and Raffy, and what he should have done in those 3 years is the question.

 

I mentioned it once as an aside. Back then, it wasn't all that big a thing. The Rays did it with Longoria and Moore, but it was not common. I'm just glad DD kept Devers out of all the guys he traded away.

 

I don't blame DD. I was just making a point.

 

I do think the Sox should have tried hard to lock up the big 3, long ago. Maybe they did.

 

I do think this group should have locked up Bogey after DD failed to do so, but with the no trade aspect, and my belief they never wanted him back at market rates, that's a tough call.

 

(Just my belief/opinion. Not trying to say that is a fact.)

[cp176]

I said I think it hurts club morale, but I saw no issues with the 2021 clubhouse a year after letting Betts go. Did you?

 

I have absolutely no idea what goes on inside their clubhouse but I don't think that losing players with the reputation Bogaerts has can in anyway be a good thing. He is the type of quality that good teams have to have.

[moonslav59]

I have absolutely no idea what goes on inside their clubhouse but I don't think that losing players with the reputation Bogaerts has can in anyway be a good thing. He is the type of quality that good teams have to have.

 

Seems that way to me, too. But it's not something that can't be fixed, and winning helps. a lot.

[mvp 78]

I mentioned it once as an aside. Back then, it wasn't all that big a thing. The Rays did it with Longoria and Moore, but it was not common. I'm just glad DD kept Devers out of all the guys he traded away.

 

I don't blame DD. I was just making a point.

 

I do think the Sox should have tried hard to lock up the big 3, long ago. Maybe they did.

 

I do think this group should have locked up Bogey after DD failed to do so, but with the no trade aspect, and my belief they never wanted him back at market rates, that's a tough call.

 

(Just my belief/opinion. Not trying to say that is a fact.)

 

When was Acuna's extension? When was Albies? You don't have to go all the way back Longoria to find adequate examples.

[moonslav59]

When was Acuna's extension? When was Albies? You don't have to go all the way back Longoria to find adequate examples.

 

Serves me right for sticking up for DD.

 

[Hugh2]

I wonder if Devers would take a 340/12 deal right now. The Sox already miscalculated the market this year, and if salaries continue to go up next year and teams are willing to get 10 years plus for guys in their 30s? then what is a player like Devers going to get on the free market next year? especially if he has a monster season.

[Bellhorn04]

I wonder if Devers would take a 340/12 deal right now. The Sox already miscalculated the market this year, and if salaries continue to go up next year and teams are willing to get 10 years plus for guys in their 30s? then what is a player like Devers going to get on the free market next year? especially if he has a monster season.

 

340/12 might do it. But will the Sox do that?

 

When Bloom tells us the Sox have to look at locking up talent earlier, he may also be telling us they know they missed the boat on Devers and now all they can do is wave to him from the shore.

[Hugh2]

340/12 might do it. But will the Sox do that?

 

When Bloom tells us the Sox have to look at locking up talent earlier, he may also be telling us they know they missed the boat on Devers and now all they can do is wave to him from the shore.

 

As unpopular as this may be, I would love to see him on a deal with an opt-out, make it player friendly and increase his odds of resigning here NOW.

 

Now, we may lose him in a few years the same way we lost Bogaerts....BUT at the very least we get him for a few more years in his prime. I'm all for locking him up long-term, but if the Sox are starting to get uncomfortable with the numbers I would explore an opt-out clause before trading him.

[mvp 78]

340/12 might do it. But will the Sox do that?

 

When Bloom tells us the Sox have to look at locking up talent earlier, he may also be telling us they know they missed the boat on Devers and now all they can do is wave to him from the shore.

 

Bloom might do it. Would JH do it?

[Old Red]

Bloom might do it. Would JH do it?

 

Only if he’s ready to sell.

[mvp 78]

Only if he’s ready to sell.

 

That would help a sale, it would actively hurt it. A new owner would want less long term liabilities on the books, not more.

[Bellhorn04]

That would help a sale, it would actively hurt it. A new owner would want less long term liabilities on the books, not more.

 

But a new owner might not mind having a popular young star on the books...

[Old Red]

That would help a sale, it would actively hurt it. A new owner would want less long term liabilities on the books, not more.

 

Wasn’t Manny handed over to a new regime? A new owner I believe would want to have good players locked up. If he’s got money to buy the club he’s got lots of money to spend. You’d be buying the Red Sox. Not the Pirates.

[Old Red]

But a new owner might not mind having a popular young star on the books...

 

Exactly!

[mvp 78]

But a new owner might not mind having a popular young star on the books...

 

I think him selling the Sox is a pie in the sky wish for fans that are frustrated at the past few seasons. We're stuck with Vlad Dracul.

[moonslav59]

I think him selling the Sox is a pie in the sky wish for fans that are frustrated at the past few seasons. We're stuck with Vlad Dracul.

 

The known is almost always the safer option.

[cp176]

I think him selling the Sox is a pie in the sky wish for fans that are frustrated at the past few seasons. We're stuck with Vlad Dracul.

 

Don't take your hat off when the great impaler rides through town.

[moonslav59]

Don't take your hat off when the great impaler rides through town.

 

Good one!

[S5Dewey]

The known is almost always the safer option.

 

Is it? When the "known" has shown a reluctance to sign home-grown top-shelf talent because it will make the team weaker in eight years? And resigning the team to mediocrity during that eight year period?

 

Tell me...what's the upside to this?

[Old Red]

Is it? When the "known" has shown a reluctance to sign home-grown top-shelf talent because it will make the team weaker in eight years? And resigning the team to mediocrity during that eight year period?

 

Tell me...what's the upside to this?

 

There is no upside, and how many other big market teams are doing this?

[moonslav59]

Is it? When the "known" has shown a reluctance to sign home-grown top-shelf talent because it will make the team weaker in eight years? And resigning the team to mediocrity during that eight year period?

 

Tell me...what's the upside to this?

 

I know Henry will continue to spend in the top 6-8.

 

I know when we get close to being highly competitive, JH has taken steps to get us over the top.

 

4 rings in 20 years vs zero in the 30 years I followed the team before JH.

 

We lost Lowe and Damon and won.

 

We lost Pedro and won.

 

We lost AGon & Beckett and won

 

We lost Lester and won.

 

Some of these were not "homegrown," but we have lost what many of us felt were essential and or well liked players and kept winning.

 

I'm not seeing why I should expect that to change. The next owner may not do what it takes. I'm pretty sure JH will, despite his major faults.

[mvp 78]

Is it? When the "known" has shown a reluctance to sign home-grown top-shelf talent because it will make the team weaker in eight years? And resigning the team to mediocrity during that eight year period?

 

Tell me...what's the upside to this?

 

4 WS rings in 20 years.

[moonslav59]

I get the frustration and even the anger, but I waited over 30 years for a ring. One ring gives JH a lifetime pass, IMO. Four has to be at least 4 get of jail free cards.

 

Maybe some feel he's used them up: departments of Theo, Tito, Lester, Betts, and Bogey is five, but I don't count Betts.

 

IMO, there is a long way to go for me to be on the "Go Away Henry Bandwagon."