Devers next deal

[Bobe2]

I think it's also quite possible that Devers becomes disenchanted with the process of dealing with the Sox front office, and the state of the team, and just breaks off negotiations, knowing he's in line for a huge payday after 2023.

 

I think it’s safe to say that after seeing what Xander got that he’s not going to let the Sox low ball him, Machado is a free agent next if the Padres let him go Devers could fall right into that spot

[jad]

I think it's also quite possible that Devers becomes disenchanted with the process of dealing with the Sox front office, and the state of the team, and just breaks off negotiations, knowing he's in line for a huge payday after 2023.

 

Why wouldn't he? It's also hard to see why he would agree to 'play hurt' as he did for much of last year.

[mvp 78]

there is an old saying - fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. It is really quite difficult for me to imagine how anyone can expect the Red Sox to all of a sudden come to their senses and actually sign a wonderfully talented home grown talent. They might even peddle the same old garbage about doing everything they can do to sign him. I'm not buying that line again. the way Bloom has played things, the best thing that he could do would be to trade him at some point.

 

Sox wouldn't re-sign Mookie. They were blown out of the water with Xander. I don't see an indication that they'd re-sign Devers. There is no way they can go into this season with Devers as the 3b unless they have extended him. If he gets to the trade deadline, the return decreases. If he gets to FA, all they can get out of it is a comp pick (4th rounder if they are over the lux tax again, thanks Bloom). What a waste... They have to trade him.

[mvp 78]

I think it's also quite possible that Devers becomes disenchanted with the process of dealing with the Sox front office, and the state of the team, and just breaks off negotiations, knowing he's in line for a huge payday after 2023.

 

They would have just just offer him 10/350 for him to sign now. Otherwise, he's just going to wait it out.

[mvp 78]

As close as he is to X, this would not be a surprise to me at all. Losing the clubhouse is a distinct possibility as well. This isn't strat-o-matic baseball where overall attitude doesn't have to be considered. I will always be a fan of the team but likely not management the way things have gone for awhile now.

 

It's a "business" but you still have to care about company culture and how the brand is portrayed to the public. Right now, both are not good.

[moonslav59]

Sox wouldn't re-sign Mookie. They were blown out of the water with Xander. I don't see an indication that they'd re-sign Devers. There is no way they can go into this season with Devers as the 3b unless they have extended him. If he gets to the trade deadline, the return decreases. If he gets to FA, all they can get out of it is a comp pick (4th rounder if they are over the lux tax again, thanks Bloom). What a waste... They have to trade him.

 

Devers Forevers or Adios Devers.

 

Agreed.

[notin]

I think it's also quite possible that Devers becomes disenchanted with the process of dealing with the Sox front office, and the state of the team, and just breaks off negotiations, knowing he's in line for a huge payday after 2023.

 

Despite all the recent issues, the Sox are still one of the better paying teams in MLB. As such, his agent isn’t likely to advise him to break off negotiations, even if the only reason is to drive up his price…

[moonslav59]

As close as he is to X, this would not be a surprise to me at all. Losing the clubhouse is a distinct possibility as well. This isn't strat-o-matic baseball where overall attitude doesn't have to be considered. I will always be a fan of the team but likely not management the way things have gone for awhile now.

 

I keep hearing about our "clubhouse," like it's a given it has been great or even good up until losing Betts and/or Bogey.

 

Where was the clubhouse leadership, this summer?

 

I'm not saying it was bad or was a reason we lost, but I'm also not assuming it was something we had and just lost. The clubhouse looked great in '21, basically a year after losing Betts.

[mvp 78]

I keep hearing about our "clubhouse," like it's a given it has been great or even good up until losing Betts and/or Bogey.

 

Where was the clubhouse leadership, this summer?

 

I'm not saying it was bad or was a reason we lost, but I'm also not assuming it was something we had and just lost. The clubhouse looked great in '21, basically a year after losing Betts.

 

I don't think there's a clubhouse issue. I think there may have been a divide between the players leaving via FA and the front office.

[moonslav59]

I don't think there's a clubhouse issue. I think there may have been a divide between the players leaving via FA and the front office.

 

No doubt, and that has to hurt team morale, but nothing some winning can't change, quickly.

 

Who is the clubhouse leader, now?

[mvp 78]

No doubt, and that has to hurt team morale, but nothing some winning can't change, quickly.

 

Who is the clubhouse leader, now?

 

I think the clubhouse leader is Alex Cora.

[cp176]

I keep hearing about our "clubhouse," like it's a given it has been great or even good up until losing Betts and/or Bogey.

 

Where was the clubhouse leadership, this summer?

 

I'm not saying it was bad or was a reason we lost, but I'm also not assuming it was something we had and just lost. The clubhouse looked great in '21, basically a year after losing Betts.

 

What have you been hearing about the clubhouse? If I was trying to make a point it would have been that the elimination of quality homegrown talent that has constantly proven to be positive with respect to attitude in the clubhouse can be very harmful to a team's success. I keep hearing about how attitude really doesn't make that much of a difference. Obviously i disagree .

[cp176]

Sox wouldn't re-sign Mookie. They were blown out of the water with Xander. I don't see an indication that they'd re-sign Devers. There is no way they can go into this season with Devers as the 3b unless they have extended him. If he gets to the trade deadline, the return decreases. If he gets to FA, all they can get out of it is a comp pick (4th rounder if they are over the lux tax again, thanks Bloom). What a waste... They have to trade him.

 

I agree. I don't know if he has to be dealt but I'm pretty sure that he will be. We have seen absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise.

[mvp 78]

I agree. I don't know if he has to be dealt but I'm pretty sure that he will be. We have seen absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise.

 

From what we have seen, the most likely scenario is that they do nothing and look stupid next offseason.

[Old Red]

What have you been hearing about the clubhouse? If I was trying to make a point it would have been that the elimination of quality homegrown talent that has constantly proven to be positive with respect to attitude in the clubhouse can be very harmful to a team's success. I keep hearing about how attitude really doesn't make that much of a difference. Obviously i disagree .

 

I’m sure all the returning players in the clubhouse are just thrilled Bogey won’t be there anymore, and how he was treated going out the door especially Raffy. Bogey was the leader in the clubhouse, and outside of the clubhouse even when Mookie was there, so his leadership was still there last summer. What we do know about last summer, and the one thing that Sam Kennedy got right was that himself, Cora, and Bloom ALL FAILED last summer.

[moonslav59]

What have you been hearing about the clubhouse? If I was trying to make a point it would have been that the elimination of quality homegrown talent that has constantly proven to be positive with respect to attitude in the clubhouse can be very harmful to a team's success. I keep hearing about how attitude really doesn't make that much of a difference. Obviously i disagree .

 

I said I think it hurts club morale, but I saw no issues with the 2021 clubhouse a year after letting Betts go. Did you?

[moonslav59]

I’m sure all the returning players in the clubhouse are just thrilled Bogey won’t be there anymore, and how he was treated going out the door especially Raffy. Bogey was the leader in the clubhouse, and outside of the clubhouse even when Mookie was there, so his leadership was still there last summer. What we do know about last summer, and the one thing that Sam Kennedy got right was that himself, Cora, and Bloom ALL FAILED last summer.

 

Can we wait and see who we end up with and how well Bogey does over the next 6-7 years, before we say they "failed," for sure. I totally agree, it looks like they did, but again, I think they never wanted Bogey at market value, even when that value was was less than what he got. Maybe they will end up being proven right. It's not like big signings have a great track record.

[mvp 78]

Can we wait and see who we end up with and how well Bogey does over the next 6-7 years, before we say they "failed," for sure. I totally agree, it looks like they did, but again, I think they never wanted Bogey at market value, even when that value was was less than what he got. Maybe they will end up being proven right. It's not like big signings have a great track record.

 

They failed in 2022. 100%.

 

1. They ended the season with a terrible record.

2. They went over the luxury cap.

3. They offered QO to 2 guys that went to FA and others left for nothing.

4. If #2 doesn't happen, the return on #3 is MUCH better than what they will now get.

 

That's a failure IMO regardless of what happens going forward.

[moonslav59]

They failed in 2022. 100%.

 

1. They ended the season with a terrible record.

2. They went over the luxury cap.

3. They offered QO to 2 guys that went to FA and others left for nothing.

4. If #2 doesn't happen, the return on #3 is MUCH better than what they will now get.

 

That's a failure IMO regardless of what happens going forward.

 

This was about signings and non signings.

[mvp 78]

This was about signings and non signings.

 

It's the same thing.

[mvp 78]

This was about signings and non signings.

 

It's the same thing. You can't separate the 2022 season from this offseason.

[moonslav59]

It's the same thing. You can't separate the 2022 season from this offseason.

 

I can't respond to just one aspect of this off season?

[mvp 78]

I can't respond to just one aspect of this off season?

 

No.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bloom on questions about keeping Devers: "We believe in building around homegrown talent. You want to do it in the right way..."

 

Since he doesn't specifically use Raffy's name in this response, one could take it to mean other homegrown talent. Now, if you assume that also means younger, then maybe the right way means extend them while they're young...

 

Devers, our very active geriatric, turned 26 in October.

[Old Red]

Bloom on questions about keeping Devers: "We believe in building around homegrown talent. You want to do it in the right way..."

 

Since he doesn't specifically use Raffy's name in this response, one could take it to mean other homegrown talent. Now, if you assume that also means younger, then maybe the right way means extend them while they're young...

 

Devers, our very active geriatric, turned 26 in October.

 

And to those who say it’s alright to wait to be better in 2-3 years providing Raffy is resigned the Red Sox would be waisting away some of Raffy’s prime years.

[moonslav59]

No.

 

Like you never do.

[moonslav59]

Bloom on questions about keeping Devers: "We believe in building around homegrown talent. You want to do it in the right way..."

 

Since he doesn't specifically use Raffy's name in this response, one could take it to mean other homegrown talent. Now, if you assume that also means younger, then maybe the right way means extend them while they're young...

 

Devers, our very active geriatric, turned 26 in October.

 

"In the right way," like they should have extended him many years ago, and it's too late, now?

 

Thanks, DD!

 

[Old Red]

Seems to me Bloom has had 3 years to work on getting Raffy, and Bogey signed. BOTCHED not 1, but 2.

[Bellhorn04]

Seems to me Bloom has had 3 years to work on getting Raffy, and Bogey signed. BOTCHED not 1, but 2.

 

Either Bloom botched it, or Henry said "No, we're not paying those f**ing guys. Just keep lying, Chaim."

[moonslav59]

Seems to me Bloom has had 3 years to work on getting Raffy, and Bogey signed. BOTCHED not 1, but 2.

 

I thought the early signings, like with Whitlock and what the Braves and Rays do was best.

 

No DD criticism, here, for not locking all of them up pre or during their arb years?