Xander Bogaerts has signed with San Diego Padres

[Hugh2]

Facts won't work.

 

Bogaerts was good enough to play SS and was young and hungry. Now he’s a Vet and paid, I’m pretty positive when his defense slips enough to make a move to third more sensical he would be open to it. Let’s say Bogaerts resigned here and his defense looked bad 3 years from now. If the team sat him down and said “we are going to play Mayer at 3Rd” you’re still the heart and soul of this team but this team will be at its best with you at 3Rd” he’d move to third. He’s a pro. He’s not dumb, he’d do it.

[moonslav59]

Because it’s on Bloom it’s only a sliver of a chance something was missed. Wow! Everyone new, but you that Storyland had a bad elbow when he was signed, so I think it’s more than a sliver of a chance that something was missed. Bloom failed again, and where it stops no one knows.

 

Can you please try to get one interpretation of another's post correct? Just once?

 

I know: I'm asking for the impossible.

[Hugh2]

Two teams passed on doling out hundreds of millions of dollars to Correa based on medical. Our medical staff signs off on two guys with bad elbows for more than $300 million— Sale and Story. Incompetence.

 

You’re right, and you know what….I’m pretty pissed about them signing some guy In 2024 who is going to get hurt in 2026. Mine as well just get it out of the way now

[Hugh2]

Chris Sale was always talked about a guy who’s delivery and body would eventually lead to elbow problems.

 

For this very same reason, I was against DD extending him. I thought we should have moved on while we had the chance. Turns out I was right. Great trade, horrible signing.

[Old Red]

Two teams passed on doling out hundreds of millions of dollars to Correa based on medical. Our medical staff signs off on two guys with bad elbows for more than $300 million— Sale and Story. Incompetence.

 

Agree 100%. Both the guys were hurting when they were signed. One on DD, and one on Bloom.

[Old Red]

Can you please try to get one interpretation of another's post correct? Just once?

 

I know: I'm asking for the impossible.

 

You are the impossible when it comes to Bloom. If this had been on DD you’d be all over him.

[moonslav59]

Bogaerts was good enough to play SS and was young and hungry. Now he’s a Vet and paid, I’m pretty positive when his defense slips enough to make a move to third more sensical he would be open to it. Let’s say Bogaerts resigned here and his defense looked bad 3 years from now. If the team sat him down and said “we are going to play Mayer at 3Rd” you’re still the heart and soul of this team but this team will be at its best with you at 3Rd” he’d move to third. He’s a pro. He’s not dumb, he’d do it.

 

I'd like to assume you are right, but who knows? He came out and said he did not want to change positions.

 

I can see what posters would be writing, if we signed him to play SS, and promised him that, and a year later "back-stabbed him."

 

What would we do, if he pouted or demanded a trade, because we went back on our word?

 

Bogey has the worst DRS since 2014, out of qualifying SSs. He's at -50. Only 3 guys are below -24. Maybe the Sox did not want to force a position change on a star player, when he resisted any changes.

 

Maybe, he'd have accepted it willingly. I don't know. I do know what he said.

 

[a700hitter]

Agree 100%. Both the guys were hurting when they were signed. One on DD, and one on Bloom.

Both on the medical staff of incompetence.

[moonslav59]

You are the impossible when it comes to Bloom. If this had been on DD you’d be all over him.

 

I liked DD and am 100% glad we hired him. You still love the strawman.

[jacksonianmarch]

If you weren’t gonna sign Bogey, not getting something for him at the deadline was criminal.

[moonslav59]

If you weren’t gonna sign Bogey, not getting something for him at the deadline was criminal.

 

Exactly, but what gets me is how many of the 2022 Sox and Bloom's biggest bashers did not want Bogey (or anyone else) traded.

[moonslav59]

The same people that think we sucked the most in 2022 are the ones who were against a fire sale or mini fire sale.

 

Maybe some even wanted us to trade prospects for rentals.

 

LOL!

[Old Red]

The same people that think we sucked the most in 2022 are the ones who were against a fire sale or mini fire sale.

 

Maybe some even wanted us to trade prospects for rentals.

 

LOL!

Yes, we all remember how you jumped ship so fast at the first sign of distress last year just to get some suspects.

[Old Red]

I liked DD and am 100% glad we hired him. You still love the strawman.

 

You are like the Great Oz, but the one after they pull the curtain back, and not before with your Strawman.

[Hugh2]

Yes, we all remember how you jumped ship so fast at the first sign of distress last year just to get some suspects.

 

In hindsight, it would have been a really really really good decision.

[Hugh2]

Of all the vast anti-bloom arguments we’ve had in here I think it’s rehashing a point I tried to make that didn’t seem to resonate then but perhaps now.

 

People love to have a scapegoat in front of them blame, when in reality there’s a blame pie. Bloom aside (because it’s discussed in perpetuity in here and I don’t want this post to be about that) there’s also scouting staff, medical staff, and player development personal that app have profound impacts on the big league club.

 

You got to make sure you’re paying the rights ones to stay. A team is a whole organization.

[Old Red]

In hindsight, it would have been a really really really good decision.

 

Yes in hindsight now it would have, but at the time they were mathematically still in, and I don’t believe in giving up until they are mathematically out.

[Hugh2]

Yes in hindsight now it would have, but at the time they were mathematically still in, and I don’t believe in giving up until they are mathematically out.

 

I think there’s a difference between a realistic chance and “mathematical chance” a very big difference.

[Old Red]

Of all the vast anti-bloom arguments we’ve had in here I think it’s rehashing a point I tried to make that didn’t seem to resonate then but perhaps now.

 

People love to have a scapegoat in front of them blame, when in reality there’s a blame pie. Bloom aside (because it’s discussed in perpetuity in here and I don’t want this post to be about that) there’s also scouting staff, medical staff, and player development personal that app have profound impacts on the big league club.

 

You got to make sure you’re paying the rights ones to stay. A team is a whole organization.

 

Well said, but Bloom makes the final baseball decision, and JH makes the final checkbook decisions.

[Old Red]

I think there’s a difference between a realistic chance and “mathematical chance” a very big difference.

 

I will admit realistically it didn’t look good.

[Hugh2]

This is a great reminder to all you people to not forget to work on your grip strength. One of the biggest causes of elbow injuries is weak forearm strength. Yes, we don’t all play 2nd for the Sox but I’m assuming there are a few Tennis players, Golfers, and weight lifters in here.

[Hugh2]

I will admit realistically it didn’t look good.

 

And I would admit this is one of those instances where all opinions matter.

 

I was admittedly on the fence, I didn’t have much faith and would have been ok going for it but was leaning towards resetting.

[notin]

Yes in hindsight now it would have, but at the time they were mathematically still in, and I don’t believe in giving up until they are mathematically out.

 

I had zero issues with not selling at the deadline. I had multiple issues with not getting any relief help…

[moonslav59]

You are like the Great Oz, but the one after they pull the curtain back, and not before with your Strawman.

 

You obviously don't even know what strawman means, which is not surprising.

 

I was very happy with DD. You created a position I never held and built a strawman to take my place and pretended it was me.

 

When you keep doing that, I'm going to keep calling you out on it.

[moonslav59]

I had zero issues with not selling at the deadline. I had multiple issues with not getting any relief help…

 

...but, but, but we had "8 pitchers coming off the IL, and all was gonna be good!"

 

It just seems kinda funny to me that many (not all) of the posters most critical about how the 2022 team sucked, and they still are saying it now, you know the team with many massive holes, especially at closer, and the team led by an idiot GM, were the posters that did not want a firesale, because they held out hope for the team longer than the ones who jumped ship, first.

 

Then, the guy who thought we sucked so bad, we should have given up on 2022 and focused on the future is accused of polishing a turd and brown-nosing the GM who failed to have the essential fire sale. For some reason, they don't view that as criticism of Bloom & Co, because they didn't agree we should have fire-saled, back then.

 

[a700hitter]

Of all the vast anti-bloom arguments we’ve had in here I think it’s rehashing a point I tried to make that didn’t seem to resonate then but perhaps now.

 

People love to have a scapegoat in front of them blame, when in reality there’s a blame pie. Bloom aside (because it’s discussed in perpetuity in here and I don’t want this post to be about that) there’s also scouting staff, medical staff, and player development personal that app have profound impacts on the big league club.

 

You got to make sure you’re paying the rights ones to stay. A team is a whole organization.

And the general manager is in charge of most of those things. Empty suit Kennedy gets a share of the blame too.

[a700hitter]

Yes in hindsight now it would have, but at the time they were mathematically still in, and I don’t believe in giving up until they are mathematically out.

It wouldn’t have mattered, because his trades have also sucked. Eric Hosmer - yuk!

Edited January 11, 2023 by a700hitter

[Old Red]

...but, but, but we had "8 pitchers coming off the IL, and all was gonna be good!"

 

It just seems kinda funny to me that many (not all) of the posters most critical about how the 2022 team sucked, and they still are saying it now, you know the team with many massive holes, especially at closer, and the team led by an idiot GM, were the posters that did not want a firesale, because they held out hope for the team longer than the ones who jumped ship, first.

 

Then, the guy who thought we sucked so bad, we should have given up on 2022 and focused on the future is accused of polishing a turd and brown-nosing the GM who failed to have the essential fire sale. For some reason, they don't view that as criticism of Bloom & Co, because they didn't agree we should have fire-saled, back then.

 

You just can’t let things go can you, and you just love to keep the ball rolling with you idiot GM comments, polishing a turd, and you brown nosing the GM. I have a standing order opinion on Bloom, and I’m just going to let it go at that.

[moonslav59]

The players we traded for actually did better than those we gave up, and what did you expec t for Groome, a guy we weren't even going to protect from Rule 5?

 

I'm glad we have McGuire, but ask me in July.

 

I'm glad we got Abreu, Valdez, Ferguson and Rosier, but ask me, next July.

 

I'm more upset about not resetting the tax, but it looks like that might not matter, either.

[moonslav59]

You just can’t let things go can you, and you just love to keep the ball rolling with you idiot GM comments, polishing a turd, and you brown nosing the GM. I have a standing order opinion on Bloom, and I’m just going to let it go at that.

 

If you let it go, the rolling would stop.