Xander Bogaerts has signed with San Diego Padres

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I was so pissed yesterday that I actually sent an e-mail to Shaughnessy calling Henry Johnny Lowball. "Good one" was his response.

 

He said Henry should get on TV and apologize to the fans.

 

There's really no way out of this now unless they spend and spend big.

 

Cutting corners and picking up a placeholder or two, signing a few more #3 starters, even trading a decent prospect -- all those options that made sense and still could've kept the Sox in wild card contention -- that's over now.

 

Imagine the reaction if Bloom trades Devers for someone's #10 prospect and then picks up mediocrities to replace Raffy and Bogey now?

[Bellhorn04]

Henry doesn't talk to the press anymore, and if he did, he knows there's nothing he can say right now that will placate anyone, except "I'm selling".

[Hugh2]

I was so pissed yesterday that I actually sent an e-mail to Shaughnessy calling Henry Johnny Lowball. "Good one" was his response.

 

I think we are all upset, but I wouldn’t ever want Shaughnessy being on the same page with my jokes

[Bellhorn04]

I think we are all upset, but I wouldn’t ever want Shaughnessy being on the same page with my jokes

 

I don't feel bad about it. Henry did it to me.

[Old Red]

I was so pissed yesterday that I actually sent an e-mail to Shaughnessy calling Henry Johnny Lowball. "Good one" was his response.

 

All along I’ve just thought that Bloom was just in over his head, but it was explained very well yesterday that Bloom is just Henry’s dummy, and this to me proves it. I can see clearly now why Bloom took a 96 RBI RF, and traded him for someone who couldn’t hit his weight, and then released him during the season after spending more money for him. Also why Bloom set there for months watching Franchy Strange Glove try, and play 1B, and also Duran, Duran The Butterfly Man trying to play the OF, and didn’t do anything about it. And then of course looking for that 3rd option at the fork it the road at the trade deadline. He just couldn’t help himself, because he’s just Henry’s dummy.

[Bellhorn04]

All along I’ve just thought that Bloom was just in over his head, but it was explained very well yesterday that Bloom is just Henry’s dummy, and this to me proves it. I can see clearly now why Bloom took a 96 RBI RF, and traded him for someone who couldn’t hit his weight, and then released him during the season after spending more money for him. Also why Bloom set there for months watching Franchy Strange Glove try, and play 1B, and also Duran, Duran The Butterfly Man trying to play the OF, and didn’t do anything about it. And then of course looking for that 3rd option at the fork it the road at the trade deadline. He just couldn’t help himself, because he’s just Henry’s dummy.

 

I've tried to be optimistic about Bloom. But he came into this job with no experience as a GM, so he was a totally unproven quantity. And I don't think he realized what he was walking into. Now he's in a really bad position. If he stickhandles his way out of this mess, he'll go down as a hero. But I think the odds are against it.

[Old Red]

I've tried to be optimistic about Bloom. But he came into this job with no experience as a GM, so he was a totally unproven quantity. And I don't think he realized what he was walking into. Now he's in a really bad position. If he stickhandles his way out of this mess, he'll go down as a hero. But I think the odds are against it.

 

Like I said before he was in the nerd room with all the analytics, and the rest of the nerds, and now he is out front, and is just way in over his head. I’ve said it from the day he was hired. He should have just stayed in that nerd room.

[Hugh2]

I think it's worth noting, that the Sox have a good gm who ultimately couldn't do anything to keep Bogaerts here.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think it's worth noting, that the Sox have a good gm who ultimately couldn't do anything to keep Bogaerts here.

 

It's really hard for me to call Bloom or O'Halloran good right now, because even if Henry was calling the shots, they were complicit in the idiotic way this entire Bogaerts fiasco transpired, beginning with the one-year offer to the most powerful agent in pro sports.

 

And again, just judging them by their words and actions this fall and winter, they are either incompetent or liars... or incompetent liars.

[Bellhorn04]

I think it's worth noting, that the Sox have a good gm who ultimately couldn't do anything to keep Bogaerts here.

 

He can't do much about Henry and Werner's recent stretch of backward thinking, agreed.

 

Anyone who had any doubts about whether the Sox effed up with Betts now has their answer as H and W doubled down with Bogey.

 

Who knows what spectacular effup they have in store with Devers?

[Hugh2]

It's really hard for me to call Bloom or O'Halloran good right now, because even if Henry was calling the shots, they were complicit in the idiotic way this entire Bogaerts fiasco transpired, beginning with the one-year offer to the most powerful agent in pro sports.

 

And again, just judging them by their words and actions this fall and winter, they are either incompetent or liars... or incompetent liars.

 

O'Halloran is the G.M. and he doesn't handle the roster like we've been used to by GM's in the past.

 

I don't think they were "lying" this winter. I think it was obvious they had every intention of resigning Bogaerts. They thought he was asking for too much money so they told him to go to FA and they intended to beat or match his best offer. That's why they were all smiles last week, and that's why one executive was quick to say "YES" without hesitation when asked if Boston was signing Bogaerts. The moment they saw the $280 million dollar price tag on Bogaerts they walked away (as they should have). I can see in hindsight why that might make them look like "liars" but that's not lying.

 

In the end, the Sox misjudged Bogaerts market. We can throw around the words and get all mad and blame as many people as we want too but there isn't some sinister plot to destroy Boston with Malice going on. They misjudged Bogaerts market, that's it. That alone is enough to call them incompetent.

[notin]

Like I said before he was in the nerd room with all the analytics, and the rest of the nerds, and now he is out front, and is just way in over his head. I’ve said it from the day he was hired. He should have just stayed in that nerd room.

 

You’re still not getting it.

 

This is not Bloom deciding to run the team as cheaply as possible. This is Henry and/or Werner giving Bloom marching orders to run the team as cheaply as possible. And it may have started back in 2019 when Dombrowski wasn’t allowed to extend Betts. If they fire/demote Bloom, do you think the next guy gets an open checkbook? Do you think Henry is eating these stores and wondering why this is happening?

[Hugh2]

NERDSSSS!!!!!! NERDS!!!! Everyone point and laugh at the nerds! lets take their lunch money and shove them into lockers.

 

Stupid nerds!

[Old Red]

You’re still not getting it.

 

This is not Bloom deciding to run the team as cheaply as possible. This is Henry and/or Werner giving Bloom marching orders to run the team as cheaply as possible. And it may have started back in 2019 when Dombrowski wasn’t allowed to extend Betts. If they fire/demote Bloom, do you think the next guy gets an open checkbook? Do you think Henry is eating these stores and wondering why this is happening?

I get it 100%, and that is Bloom is nothing but John Henry’s Dummy.

[notin]

I get it 100%, and that is Bloom is nothing but John Henry’s Dummy.

 

No. You don’t.

 

If Henry isn’t going to spend, Bloom is the guy we need in there. Or Click. Or any of those other “nerds” that keep little budget teams like Tampa in the postseason every year.

 

What do you think Dombrowski would have down to turn this team around with only $80mill to spend?

[Old Red]

No. You don’t.

 

If Henry isn’t going to spend, Bloom is the guy we need in there. Or Click. Or any of those other “nerds” that keep little budget teams like Tampa in the postseason every year.

 

What do you think Dombrowski would have down to turn this team around with only $80mill to spend?

DD would be smart enough not to work for the guy, but Bloom is dumb enough to do it. Theo wouldn’t have done it either.

[notin]

DD would be smart enough not to work for the guy, but Bloom is dumb enough to do it. Theo wouldn’t have done it either.

 

DD worked for him twice and didn’t leave Boston by his own choice. Nice try.

 

But again you won’t answer a simple question. About as surprising as a daily sunrise…

[Bellhorn04]

DD would be smart enough not to work for the guy, but Bloom is dumb enough to do it. Theo wouldn’t have done it either.

 

Henry booted Theo and Francona and DD, he'll have no problem booting Bloom.

[Old Red]

Henry booted Theo and Francona and DD, he'll have no problem booting Bloom.

 

I think booting Bloom will be harder to do, because this is Henry’s worst hire to run the club.

[Hugh2]

DD got fired. lol

 

Red is the guy who has a girl break up with him and goes around telling everyone he broke up with her. lol

[jacksonianmarch]

Depends on what he wants done. If Henry wants a team thats unencumbered by salaries with a renewing font of minor league talent, then Bloom is the right guy. You just gotta let him rebuild the club. Boston doesn’t tolerate a rebuild. That’s the issue

[Hugh2]

I think booting Bloom will be harder to do, because this is Henry’s worst hire to run the club.

 

That makes no sense. Bad employees who don't do their job are easier to hire.

 

Source: I own a business.

[Old Red]

DD worked for him twice and didn’t leave Boston by his own choice. Nice try.

 

But again you won’t answer a simple question. About as surprising as a daily sunrise…

 

DD would not work for him under these budget constraints, but I guess that simple point went way over your head.

[Hugh2]

DD was fired, but I guess maybe the story we didn't hear was the moment he was fired he said "You can't fire me....I QUIT"

[Old Red]

DD got fired. lol

 

Red is the guy who has a girl break up with him and goes around telling everyone he broke up with her. lol

 

DD did not get fired, because of his record, but Bloom should. One had a good record, and one has a bad record.

[notin]

DD would not work for him under these budget constraints, but I guess that simple point went way over your head.

 

DD worked for him on the Marlins from 1999 to 2001. The Marlins were not a large market big spender back then.

 

You’re trying to speak for DD against a history that counters it..

[notin]

DD did not get fired, because of his record, but Bloom should. One had a good record, and one has a bad record.

 

I think it was probably his record vs his budget. It’s one thing to build an 86 win team. It’s another to spend a quarter of a billion doing it…

[notin]

DD did not get fired, because of his record, but Bloom should. One had a good record, and one has a bad record.

 

Is that a misplaced comma? As written, it’s like you’re denying he got fired at all, which is simply not true.

 

I think it’s just a typo, however..

[Bellhorn04]

Depends on what he wants done. If Henry wants a team thats unencumbered by salaries with a renewing font of minor league talent, then Bloom is the right guy. You just gotta let him rebuild the club. Boston doesn’t tolerate a rebuild. That’s the issue

 

Yes, it's a huge issue, Jax.

 

We have last place finishes in 5 of the last 11 years. And if the 2023 season started today we'd be a lock to make it 6 out of 12.

 

That's what you call intolerable.

[Old Red]

DD worked for him on the Marlins from 1999 to 2001. The Marlins were not a large market big spender back then.

 

You’re trying to speak for DD against a history that counters it..

DD sat there, and watched his team in the WS this past postseason while Bloom sat there, and wondered how much more he could have screwed up this past season than he did. You can have the Dummy with that Dumb dumbfounded look on his face, and I’ll take DD any day. What DD wound have done 20 years ago has anything to do with what he would do today. It was a stretch on your part to bring it up, but not a good try.