Xander Bogaerts has signed with San Diego Padres

[moonslav59]

Don't you think that that has been part of the long-term plan all along? Shed salary and long-term commitments to make the team more attractive to deep-pocket buyers? (Let's hope that IS the plan, so that we can see or hope for an end to this.)

 

Better hope the next owner is a spender and good at hiring the right GMs.

[Deja Doh]

The O'Malley Family (Peter and nephew) are trying to rekindle the Dodger magic by overspending with the Padres. PED user Fernando Tatis has is guaranteed $340 million. O'Malley must be going senile. Bogaerts had to go for the money. Move KiKi to 2nd base.

These contracts are out of control.

[moonslav59]

The O'Malley Family (Peter and nephew) are trying to rekindle the Dodger magic by overspending with the Padres. PED user Fernando Tatis has is guaranteed $340 million. O'Malley must be going senile. Bogaerts had to go for the money. Move KiKi to 2nd base.

These contracts are out of control.

 

They may move Kike to SS and leave Story at 2B.

 

Our OF, would be, before an addition or two, Yoshida in LF, Dugo in CF and Refsnyder in RF w Duran as #4 until Rafaela can come up.

 

We'd be filling a hole while opening another.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

They may move Kike to SS and leave Story at 2B.

 

Our OF, would be, before an addition or two, Yoshida in LF, Dugo in CF and Refsnyder in RF w Duran as #4 until Rafaela can come up.

 

We'd be filling a hole while opening another.

 

I'm ok with moving Kike to short if Rafaela makes the team. Verdugo is brutal in center, and reports are Yoshida isn't a great outfielder, either. But every eval of Rafaela is that he's a big league defender right now. His quick-twitch bat might not be ready yet for a steady diet of MLB sliders, but the Red Sox need some quality defense as they attempt to return to respectability.

 

Posters can snort about bringing up not-ready-for-primetimers, but fans of the Dead Sox can really use some youthful exuberance -- not the kind that stand there and watch inside-the-park homers. Plus, Rafaela can run, and baserunning will be a big weapon with the new rules -- especially for teams that can't hit.

[mvp 78]

I'm ok with moving Kike to short if Rafaela makes the team. Verdugo is brutal in center, and reports are Yoshida isn't a great outfielder, either. But every eval of Rafaela is that he's a big league defender right now. His quick-twitch bat might not be ready yet for a steady diet of MLB sliders, but the Red Sox need some quality defense as they attempt to return to respectability.

 

Posters can snort about bringing up not-ready-for-primetimers, but fans of the Dead Sox can really use some youthful exuberance -- not the kind that stand there and watch inside-the-park homers. Plus, Rafaela can run, and baserunning will be a big weapon with the new rules -- especially for teams that can't hit.

 

I think we've seen that Verdugo isn't going to reach the upside we projected. Yoshida probably is just replacing Verdugo in LF. I'd still keep Kiké in CF, get someone to platoon with Refsnyder in RF and sign a cheaper short term SS. If Mayer is the REAL DEAL, just wait for him to show up in 2024.

[moonslav59]

I'm ok with moving Kike to short if Rafaela makes the team. Verdugo is brutal in center, and reports are Yoshida isn't a great outfielder, either. But every eval of Rafaela is that he's a big league defender right now. His quick-twitch bat might not be ready yet for a steady diet of MLB sliders, but the Red Sox need some quality defense as they attempt to return to respectability.

 

Posters can snort about bringing up not-ready-for-primetimers, but fans of the Dead Sox can really use some youthful exuberance -- not the kind that stand there and watch inside-the-park homers. Plus, Rafaela can run, and baserunning will be a big weapon with the new rules -- especially for teams that can't hit.

 

I trust the Sox to know when Rafaela is ready. Word is he's a bigtime chaser. I seriously doubt they are planning on him being on the opening day 26 or even thinking about it.

 

We could just sign someone like Kierimaier or Andrus and focus all the other attention on a big RH'd bat (SS/CF/RF or DH- maybe Murphy at C) and a solid SP.

[moonslav59]

I think we've seen that Verdugo isn't going to reach the upside we projected. Yoshida probably is just replacing Verdugo in LF. I'd still keep Kiké in CF, get someone to platoon with Refsnyder in RF and sign a cheaper short term SS. If Mayer is the REAL DEAL, just wait for him to show up in 2024.

 

In terms of long term planning, it makes total sense to add two bridge players: maybe Andrus at SS and a platoon for Refsnyder. Maybe try to catch lightening in a bottle on a 1 year deal with Conforto. Then, in 2024 Mayer replaces Andrus, and Rafaela replaces Conforto or Kike.

 

I'm not sure the fans will stand for this, though. I think JH realizes we need another splash, and not just a Devers extension, either. While that is essential, it just keeps us even at 3B.

 

Andrus and Conforto might cost $22M, combined. That leaves us enough to sign Nate or Kluber, but I'm not sure that, with a Devers extension is enough to quite the roar. (Maybe JH is not too concerned with the "roar," and thinks we will win, and that will quite the masses.)

[mvp 78]

I trust the Sox to know when Rafaela is ready. Word is he's a bigtime chaser. I seriously doubt they are planning on him being on the opening day 26 or even thinking about it.

 

We could just sign someone like Kierimaier or Andrus and focus all the other attention on a big RH'd bat (SS/CF/RF or DH- maybe Murphy at C) and a solid SP.

 

At best he'd be a midseason call-up. He'd have to show a lot more patience at the plate though. It's apparently something they are working on and something that he realizes is an issue and wants to fix.

[mvp 78]

In terms of long term planning, it makes total sense to add two bridge players: maybe Andrus at SS and a platoon for Refsnyder. Maybe try to catch lightening in a bottle on a 1 year deal with Conforto. Then, in 2024 Mayer replaces Andrus, and Rafaela replaces Conforto or Kike.

 

I'm not sure the fans will stand for this, though. I think JH realizes we need another splash, and not just a Devers extension, either. While that is essential, it just keeps us even at 3B.

 

Andrus and Conforto might cost $22M, combined. That leaves us enough to sign Nate or Kluber, but I'm not sure that, with a Devers extension is enough to quite the roar. (Maybe JH is not too concerned with the "roar," and thinks we will win, and that will quite the masses.)

 

The only way to make the fans stand for it is to win games. Fans are going to be frustrated unless that happens.

[moonslav59]

The only way to make the fans stand for it is to win games. Fans are going to be frustrated unless that happens.

 

That's what I said in my last sentence.

 

Fans weren't happy before 2021, either.

 

Winning solves a lot of issues.

 

More work needs to be done to make that happen.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I'm not sure the fans will stand for this, though. I think JH realizes we need another splash, and not just a Devers extension, either. While that is essential, it just keeps us even at 3B.

 

 

Agreed. If a big move doesn't happen soon, the clamor only gets louder.

 

Which is the more likely splash: Correa or Rodon?

 

Swanson won't polarize like Correa -- who comes with no QO, but will cost between Judge and Turner bucks. However, paying someone else for more than Bogey got will just elicit more WTFs...

 

Senga also doesn't have a QO, but can another splash that's never played an MLB inning be trusted by the already distrustful Red Sox Nation masses?

 

Trading a legit prospect doesn't make sense for a rebuilding doormat; doesn't any splash almost have to come from the checkbook?

[redsoxrules]

They may move Kike to SS and leave Story at 2B.

 

Our OF, would be, before an addition or two, Yoshida in LF, Dugo in CF and Refsnyder in RF w Duran as #4 until Rafaela can come up.

 

We'd be filling a hole while opening another.

 

No way Dugo in Center. He can't even handle LF. From reports Yoshida is an avg OF at best. This team needs a strong CF to compensate for the 2 bad corner OF. Kike will need to play Center unless Bloom goes ahead and picks up KK which I can see him doing.

[redsoxrules]

Agreed. If a big move doesn't happen soon, the clamor only gets louder.

 

Which is the more likely splash: Correa or Rodon?

 

Swanson won't polarize like Correa -- who comes with no QO, but will cost between Judge and Turner bucks. However, paying someone else for more than Bogey got will just elicit more WTFs...

 

Senga also doesn't have a QO, but can another splash that's never played an MLB inning be trusted by the already distrustful Red Sox Nation masses?

 

Trading a legit prospect doesn't make sense for a rebuilding doormat; doesn't any splash almost have to come from the checkbook?

 

No way they get Correa. If they do the fan base will rage as he will cost more and fans would prefer Bogey than the guy who was in the center of the cheating scandale. Swanson will cost more than we think based on the deals that have issued so far. Over 200 MIl. Been better off to keep Bogey at that point.

[moonslav59]

Agreed. If a big move doesn't happen soon, the clamor only gets louder.

 

Which is the more likely splash: Correa or Rodon?

 

Swanson won't polarize like Correa -- who comes with no QO, but will cost between Judge and Turner bucks. However, paying someone else for more than Bogey got will just elicit more WTFs...

 

Senga also doesn't have a QO, but can another splash that's never played an MLB inning be trusted by the already distrustful Red Sox Nation masses?

 

Trading a legit prospect doesn't make sense for a rebuilding doormat; doesn't any splash almost have to come from the checkbook?

 

Correa would take up almost the whole remaining budget, meaning no SP'er unless via trade.

 

I'd like to see Correa, but he might get $380/12.

 

We could afford Swanson + Nate or Kluber.

 

We can afford Andrus, Conforto or Gallo + Kluber.

 

I'm not sure any of these, except maybe Correa & a Devers extension quiets the masses.

 

[moonslav59]

No way Dugo in Center. He can't even handle LF. From reports Yoshida is an avg OF at best. This team needs a strong CF to compensate for the 2 bad corner OF. Kike will need to play Center unless Bloom goes ahead and picks up KK which I can see him doing.

 

I don't even want Dugo in RF. I was just presenting what we have, right now, if Kike moves to 2B or SS.

[redsoxrules]

Correa would take up almost the whole remaining budget, meaning no SP'er unless via trade.

 

I'd like to see Correa, but he might get $380/12.

 

We could afford Swanson + Nate or Kluber.

 

We can afford Andrus, Conforto or Gallo + Kluber.

 

I'm not sure any of these, except maybe Correa & a Devers extension quiets the masses.

 

 

How do you figure they can afford Nate, Kluber and Swanson? They will cost between 50-60 Mil easily with this market

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I believe the 160 mil for 6 years was more than reasonable. 280 mil for 11 years is ridiculous. No way was Bogey going to leave 120 mil on the table. The market right now is out of control and as long as owners are willing to pay for these long, long range contracts it will only get worse. Offer Devers 300 mill for 10 years. If he turns it down, then trade him.

[redsoxrules]

And speaking of Correa, there's chatter that some teams have no interest in him due the scandale. That might be why he's having a hard time finding his mega contract

[mvp 78]

That's what I said in my last sentence.

 

Fans weren't happy before 2021, either.

 

Winning solves a lot of issues.

 

More work needs to be done to make that happen.

 

Again, are posters not allowed to agree with other posters???

[Hugh2]

How do you figure they can afford Nate, Kluber and Swanson? They will cost between 50-60 Mil easily with this market

 

Because they currently have about 60+ million AAV to spend before they're hitting the luxury tax line. That's a plausible 3. I could see them going Andrus on the cheap and getting a better pitching duo.

[mvp 78]

Agreed. If a big move doesn't happen soon, the clamor only gets louder.

 

Which is the more likely splash: Correa or Rodon?

 

Swanson won't polarize like Correa -- who comes with no QO, but will cost between Judge and Turner bucks. However, paying someone else for more than Bogey got will just elicit more WTFs...

 

Senga also doesn't have a QO, but can another splash that's never played an MLB inning be trusted by the already distrustful Red Sox Nation masses?

 

Trading a legit prospect doesn't make sense for a rebuilding doormat; doesn't any splash almost have to come from the checkbook?

 

Honestly, they aren't signing any of the guys you mentioned.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

And speaking of Correa, there's chatter that some teams have no interest in him due the scandale. That might be why he's having a hard time finding his mega contract

 

SOX should offer him 150 mill for 5 years, but he's also probably looking for at least 10 years.

[Hugh2]

And speaking of Correa, there's chatter that some teams have no interest in him due the scandale. That might be why he's having a hard time finding his mega contract

 

SD got their guy, NY signed Judge, Philly and DD got their guy. and it's looking like LAD is going to reset the cap this year.

 

Our biggest competition is the Twins. MAYBE Chicago. If we want in on the bidding for Correa. I'd imagine Minn already has a 10.300 on the table for him

[Hugh2]

SOX should offer him 150 mill for 5 years, but he's also probably looking for at least 10 years.

 

That would be more delusional than Bogaerts offer.

[mvp 78]

SOX should offer him 150 mill for 5 years, but he's also probably looking for at least 10 years.

 

Not enough AAV for 5 years. He was 200M++.

[mvp 78]

That would be more delusional than Bogaerts offer.

 

Yup.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

That would be more delusional than Bogaerts offer.

 

True, but delusional is better than ridiculous.

[notin]

And speaking of Correa, there's chatter that some teams have no interest in him due the scandale. That might be why he's having a hard time finding his mega contract

 

… for the second off-season in a row. That part seems extremely relevant if you are correct…

[notin]

SD got their guy, NY signed Judge, Philly and DD got their guy. and it's looking like LAD is going to reset the cap this year.

 

Our biggest competition is the Twins. MAYBE Chicago. If we want in on the bidding for Correa. I'd imagine Minn already has a 10.300 on the table for him

 

 

So you think San Diego is done collecting shortstops?

[notin]

True, but delusional is better than ridiculous.

 

Interesting rationale…