10/5 vs Devil Rays

[jad]

Also, NESN will be much worse without Remy and Eck.

 

Can't recall which announcer said it, but it was to the effect that no matter how bad, hopeless the game was, Eck always made it interesting and fun. Same with Remy, or of course Joe C.

[Tedballgame]

Barnes bandwagon is ready to load for 2023.

 

With what the Sox are paying him we have to hope he can contribute something. I want him to do well.

[FredLynn]

Finally this season is over.

Still waiting for an apology from Henry.

[moonslav59]

So, we ended up 8 games from the Rays and the last WC slot.

 

The record offers no consolation, at all. We sucked. The 10-19 start was too much to overcome, but it wasn't really until game 15 that the pen blew a lead late in the game (10th inning vs TBR.) Not that it makes any difference. The pen sucked. The starters sucked. The O sucked. The D sucked. The baserunning sucked. The leadership sucked.

 

If I forgot anyone, they sucked, too.

[moonslav59]

Finally this season is over.

Still waiting for an apology from Henry.

 

The waiting is the hardest part.

- Tom Petty

[Oscars]

Oof. Gonna miss Eck.

 

 

 

SOX fans have had the privilege of having Remy and ECK doing the color and both have been excellent in their own individual way. And OB does play-by-play better than most.

 

So, we ended up 8 games from the Rays and the last WC slot.

 

The record offers no consolation, at all. We sucked. The 10-19 start was too much to overcome, but it wasn't really until game 15 that the pen blew a lead late in the game (10th inning vs TBR.) Not that it makes any difference. The pen sucked. The starters sucked. The O sucked. The D sucked. The baserunning sucked. The leadership sucked.

 

If I forgot anyone, they sucked, too.

 

Blooms roster construction also sucked

[FredLynn]

So, we ended up 8 games from the Rays and the last WC slot.

 

The record offers no consolation, at all. We sucked. The 10-19 start was too much to overcome, but it wasn't really until game 15 that the pen blew a lead late in the game (10th inning vs TBR.) Not that it makes any difference. The pen sucked. The starters sucked. The O sucked. The D sucked. The baserunning sucked. The leadership sucked.

 

If I forgot anyone, they sucked, too.

 

Pretty fair assessment but as I recall (without checking) we were upper third in runs scored.

Otherwise you are spot on.

[moonslav59]

Pretty fair assessment but as I recall (without checking) we were upper third in runs scored.

Otherwise you are spot on.

 

Sucked when it counted most.

[moonslav59]

Blooms roster construction also sucked

 

I figured that was all under "team leadership."

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

This poster sucked. No matter how many free agents I suggested, or trades I proposed, the only guy Bloom eventually added from my lists was Tommy Pham. And I whiffed on that one; Pham's 28.5% K-rate with Boston was higher than Trevor Story's.

 

I like Verdugo, because he has fun when succeeding, and shows visible anger when failing. It's easy for fans to root for a player who looks like he cares as much as those watching him. I also agree with those who said Verdugo's best as a complementary piece. Maybe on a better team he'll have better focus on making better decisions on the bases and where to throw the ball from the outfield... maybe that future club will be the Red Sox.

[Bellhorn04]

Finally this season is over.

Still waiting for an apology from Henry.

 

Henry owes you no apology. He brought you 4 rings after having none before him.

[mvp 78]

Henry owes you no apology. He brought you 4 rings after having none before him.

 

Yankees fans count the ones from before they were born too.

[cukes]

So, we ended up 8 games from the Rays and the last WC slot.

 

The record offers no consolation, at all. We sucked. The 10-19 start was too much to overcome, but it wasn't really until game 15 that the pen blew a lead late in the game (10th inning vs TBR.) Not that it makes any difference. The pen sucked. The starters sucked. The O sucked. The D sucked. The baserunning sucked. The leadership sucked.

 

If I forgot anyone, they sucked, too.

 

Excellent summation, especially when all the teams around us improved with mid season changes, we went backwards, people can't accept it but our management all around is brutal

[moonslav59]

Excellent summation, especially when all the teams around us improved with mid season changes, we went backwards, people can't accept it but our management all around is brutal

 

The weird thing is, if you take everyone Bloom added, even JBJ and Diekman, to me, it looks like an overall plus on additions (Schreiber, Refsnyder, Wacha, Hill, Strahm and mid season additions like McGuire,) but we got worse.

[cukes]

Barzini's dead. So is Philip Tattaglia. Moe Greene, Strachi - Cuneo. Today we settle all family business…

 

we can only hope, but you can't improve if you do not recognize your weakness, for one, the Phillies dumped Mr ego Girardi and they made the post season, so did Toronto changed horses in mid stream, Hyde motivated the worst team in the division and they were hot the second half, the Rays well you can give Kevin Cash a little league team and he will have a winning season, face reality and injuries are no excuse you have to work around them, every post season team has had injuries, we are the only ones who cry, championship no but we could have been respectable

[cukes]

Is Bloom's DFA list as long as Michael Corleone's?

 

Bloom should join Carlo on his trip to the airport

[mvp 78]

The weird thing is, if you take everyone Bloom added, even JBJ and Diekman, to me, it looks like an overall plus on additions (Schreiber, Refsnyder, Wacha, Hill, Strahm and mid season additions like McGuire,) but we got worse.

 

They added pieces, but had much more IL time in 2022 (Story, Eovaldi, Wacha, Hill, Kiké, Devers, Houck, Whitlock). In 2021, they had a largely injury free year.

 

https://www.overthemonster.com/2021/10/26/22746015/boston-red-sox-starting-pitching-injury-nathan-eovaldi-eduardo-rodriguez-nick-pivetta-tanner-houck

 

Rotation health was the engine that drove Boston’s surprising success

It was the biggest surprise and provided key stability.

 

I’m not sure if you heard the news, but the Red Sox were a much better team than anyone expected before the season. The projection systems largely saw this team maxing out their win total somewhere in the mid-80s, and speaking personally I was even lower, predicting they would finish the season below .500. We know what happened instead, and there were a lot of reasons for it. We’re surely going to dig deeper into some specific points where real life diverged with the projection systems for the 2021 Red Sox, but to me there was one big picture quality that led them to their heights above all else.

 

The starting pitching health for this team was both the biggest surprise for this roster as well as the most important factor for their surprising overall success. Even before the season with my low prediction, it was with the specification that there was no way this rotation was going to stay healthy. That is not to pat myself on the back because my prediction was still extremely wrong, but rather to illustrate how it was essentially a foregone conclusion that this team was going to suffer blows to their rotation hitting the injured list. Instead, none of their main five starting pitchers hit the non-COVID injured list.

That certainly is not a reason the team can care a little bit less about starting pitching depth, something that presumably would not enter their mind. It’s hard not to give the organization some credit here for succeeding where so many other teams did not in 2021, and where they really didn’t have any right succeeding given the injury history of the pitchers in question. But even if it was just a lucky year, at the very least it played a major role in giving us much more entertainment than we were expecting in the late summer and into the fall.

[mvp 78]

we can only hope, but you can't improve if you do not recognize your weakness, for one, the Phillies dumped Mr ego Girardi and they made the post season, so did Toronto changed horses in mid stream, Hyde motivated the worst team in the division and they were hot the second half, the Rays well you can give Kevin Cash a little league team and he will have a winning season, face reality and injuries are no excuse you have to work around them, every post season team has had injuries, we are the only ones who cry, championship no but we could have been respectable

 

Sox starting pitchers that saw significant time on the IL: Sale, Eovaldi, Wacha, Hill... I don't think every postseason team can claim that.

[moonslav59]

Sox starting pitchers that saw significant time on the IL: Sale, Eovaldi, Wacha, Hill... I don't think every postseason team can claim that.

 

Paxton, too, but we expected 3-4 months for him. We got 6+.

 

Even some of their replacements went on brief IL stints, as did spot starters Houck and Whitlock.

 

It was a total pitcher- IL cluster you-know-what.

[Bellhorn04]

Paxton, too, but we expected 3-4 months for him. We got 6+.

 

Even some of their replacements went on brief IL stints, as did spot starters Houck and Whitlock.

 

It was a total pitcher- IL cluster you-know-what.

 

Fustercluck.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

we can only hope, but you can't improve if you do not recognize your weakness, for one, the Phillies dumped Mr ego Girardi and they made the post season, so did Toronto changed horses in mid stream, Hyde motivated the worst team in the division and they were hot the second half, the Rays well you can give Kevin Cash a little league team and he will have a winning season, face reality and injuries are no excuse you have to work around them, every post season team has had injuries, we are the only ones who cry, championship no but we could have been respectable

 

Too bad Cora couldn't make pitchers miss bats, opponent batted balls not miss gloves, and his own hitters touch the ball with a ghost runner on second. Maybe coaches could've held more bunting practices...

 

With the roster Bloom built, and the replacements he added to fill in for injuries, John Henry could've hired Bobby Flay to manage and not even he could use those ingredients to whip up something palatable.

[cukes]

Sox starting pitchers that saw significant time on the IL: Sale, Eovaldi, Wacha, Hill... I don't think every postseason team can claim that.

 

The Mets have two of the best pitchers in baseball, Scherzer was out for 7 weeks the beginning of the season, he was out again in August, DeGrpm didn't even start pitching until August, this team won 101 games second highest in their history and tied for second highest in the National league, field managers and general managers have to work together, every body dislikes Showalter but he has a great baseball mind, in the history of MLB only 4 managers have taken 4 different teams to the post season, Billy Martin, Dusty Baker, Davey Johnson and Buck Showalter who was also named manager of the year 3 times, it's a good thing he's unimpressive,

[cukes]

Too bad Cora couldn't make pitchers miss bats, opponent batted balls not miss gloves, and his own hitters touch the ball with a ghost runner on second. Maybe coaches could've held more bunting practices...

 

With the roster Bloom built, and the replacements he added to fill in for injuries, John Henry could've hired Bobby Flay to manage and not even he could use those ingredients to whip up something palatable.

 

I saw better baseball played by the Somerset Patriots, we sat on our hands and watched and made excuses, we weren't going to win a championship but last place is a laugher

[mvp 78]

The Mets have two of the best pitchers in baseball, Scherzer was out for 7 weeks the beginning of the season, he was out again in August, DeGrpm didn't even start pitching until August, this team won 101 games second highest in their history and tied for second highest in the National league, field managers and general managers have to work together, every body dislikes Showalter but he has a great baseball mind, in the history of MLB only 4 managers have taken 4 different teams to the post season, Billy Martin, Dusty Baker, Davey Johnson and Buck Showalter who was also named manager of the year 3 times, it's a good thing he's unimpressive,

 

How many playoff series has he won?

[Bellhorn04]

The Mets have two of the best pitchers in baseball, Scherzer was out for 7 weeks the beginning of the season, he was out again in August, DeGrpm didn't even start pitching until August, this team won 101 games second highest in their history and tied for second highest in the National league, field managers and general managers have to work together, every body dislikes Showalter but he has a great baseball mind, in the history of MLB only 4 managers have taken 4 different teams to the post season, Billy Martin, Dusty Baker, Davey Johnson and Buck Showalter who was also named manager of the year 3 times, it's a good thing he's unimpressive,

 

Showalter has never been in a World Series.

 

And he made a horrific managerial error in the Wild Card Game the O's lost to the Jays, failing to use Britton with the game on the line in hopes of a save opportunity that never came.

 

Nobody's perfect.

[moonslav59]

Verlander has zero playoff wins, despite 30 playoff GS'd and a 3.40 post season ERA and 1.07 WHIP.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I saw better baseball played by the Somerset Patriots, we sat on our hands and watched and made excuses, we weren't going to win a championship but last place is a laugher

 

Carson Coleman is already a better closer than anyone on the Red Sox -- and they're the best last place team in the bigs.

[moonslav59]

Fustercluck.

 

Or Flustercuck.

[cukes]

Amazing, with all this support for a poorly run last place team we have a good shot at repeating again next year

[mvp 78]

Amazing, with all this support for a poorly run last place team we have a good shot at repeating again next year

 

It's a good thing we're not paid to run the Red Sox then.