9/21 SOX @ Reds 6:40PM ET

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Had he recorded the 3rd out before allowing 3 runs , he would have been in the 8's which would have earned him an invite to Ft. Myers in '23. Not sure I can help him now.

 

 

You could probably help him more than the SOX farm system.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

No one apparently has told Casas that a K is superior to a DP from a team production POV. This isn't just a slump . If not for his Cole HR he would be a total loss so far. Not to say he won't be the second coming of Travis Shaw next year.

 

He's actually hit 2 HR's so far. So there's that.

[notin]

No one apparently has told Casas that a K is superior to a DP from a team production POV. This isn't just a slump . If not for his Cole HR he would be a total loss so far. Not to say he won't be the second coming of Travis Shaw next year.

 

22 years old and 41 PA and he hasn’t set the world on fire yet?

 

Who says Sox fans are impatient?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Going into tonight's game the SOX were 52-33 outside their own division.

[notin]

Going into tonight's game the SOX were 52-33 outside their own division.

 

Don’t say that!! Old Red gets angry if you say anything good about this team!

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Don’t say that!! Old Red gets angry if you say anything good about this team!

 

It was better than posting the SOX record inside their own division.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I believe the SOX are looking ahead to tomorrow's game against the Yankems or perhaps the SOX are just not a very good team.

It could be a combination of the two.

Edited September 22, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[illinoisredsox]

Seabold's ERA is now 10.47, which is lower than his 11.91 entering the game. My OP prediction was spot on.

 

Not nearly as impressive as German lowering his ERA from infinity to 45.00

[harmony]

Dang. Left on my fantasy bench was the save by Cincinnati reliever Alexis Diaz, the stocky younger brother of stud closer Edwin Diaz.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

No 61st for Mr Judge tonight, so the odds are he will do it against the SOX just as Maris did. Only thing to make this season bearable is the Yankems getting eliminated in the PO's again.

[moonslav59]

No 61st for Mr Judge tonight, so the odds are he will do it against the SOX just as Maris did. Only thing to make this season bearable is the Yankems getting eliminated in the PO's again.

 

Two doubles do not equal a home run.

[moonslav59]

Going into tonight's game the SOX were 52-33 outside their own division.

 

Before tonight, we'd have been in third place in 3 divisions and 4th in 2 others, including 0.5 behind MN for 3rd in 4 divisions, and that's not even counting any schedule adjustments being in any division except the AL East.

[FredLynn]

I would just walk Judge every AB.

[notin]

So… did Seabold pitch his way off the 40 man roster with this performance?

[Old Red]

Before tonight, we'd have been in third place in 3 divisions and 4th in 2 others, including 0.5 behind MN for 3rd in 4 divisions, and that's not even counting any schedule adjustments being in any division except the AL East.

 

Bottom line this team is a losing team with a LOSING RECORD, and it doesn’t really matter which position they would end up in. Not good no matter how you slice, and dice it.

[moonslav59]

So… did Seabold pitch his way off the 40 man roster with this performance?

 

He pitched okay for 4 and 2/3rds, but I'm not too hopeful he ends up a plus. Maybe his best role might be a 2-3 inning, low to medium leverage pitcher.

 

I see many other players I'd look to trade or DFA before him.

[moonslav59]

Bottom line this team is a losing team with a LOSING RECORD, and it doesn’t really matter which position they would end up in. Not good no matter how you slice, and dice it.

 

It does suck. I agree.

 

I'm just saying we really might not be as bad as one might think a "last place team" is. Hell, we might be in the division hunt had we been in the AL Central and not had to play the ALE, so much.

 

Again, that's not making excuses or sugar coating a s***** year, but I don't think we are as bad as our record suggests we are. We still have a good core to work with but a lot of big hole and shoes to fill, this winter.

[Bellhorn04]

He pitched okay for 4 and 2/3rds, but I'm not too hopeful he ends up a plus. Maybe his best role might be a 2-3 inning, low to medium leverage pitcher.

 

I see many other players I'd look to trade or DFA before him.

 

Yeah, if you can pitch OK for 4 innings, there's some hope at least.

[mvp 78]

Bottom line this team is a losing team with a LOSING RECORD, and it doesn’t really matter which position they would end up in. Not good no matter how you slice, and dice it.

 

If they win out the rest of the season, I don't think it'll carry over into next year.

 

Last year's run into the playoffs didn't carry over into this year, that's for sure.

[Old Red]

If they win out the rest of the season, I don't think it'll carry over into next year.

 

Last year's run into the playoffs didn't carry over into this year, that's for sure.

 

2018 did not carry over to 2019, and even 2019 did not carry over to 2020, and thankfully 2020 did not carry over to 2021. The Red Sox championships under Henry have been great, but all the last place finishes have been not. This year has been like no others in recent memory especially with all the injuries, and playing more of the Woo Sox than wanting to.

[moonslav59]

Yeah, if you can pitch OK for 4 innings, there's some hope at least.

 

He doesn't do that very often, though.

[moonslav59]

2018 did not carry over to 2019, and even 2019 did not carry over to 2020, and thankfully 2020 did not carry over to 2021. The Red Sox championships under Henry have been great, but all the last place finishes have been not. This year has been like no others in recent memory especially with all the injuries, and playing more of the Woo Sox than wanting to.

 

I'd rather have 2 decades with 4 rings and 6 last place finishes than 3 decades with a mess of 2nd place finishes, barely any last place finishes and no rings.

 

Maybe it's the price we have to pay to cycle into a ring every 3-6 years.

[vegasbob]

So… did Seabold pitch his way off the 40 man roster with this performance?

 

Given the competition level vs the Reds, and the inability to close out the 5th ( not all his fault, due to bleeders and bloop hits) , Connor did not help his chances. The primary issue is that we have to believe there will be a crowd around the mound at ST and I don't see a role for him or reason to hold on to him. Bloom could perhaps move him in a multiplayer or TBNL deal to someone who thinks he can help as he did in brief showings this year.

 

He was one strike and one out away from closing out an efficient 1 run game vs the Reds when it came unhinged on him. As A700 said, we have some Bad Luck pitchers

[moonslav59]

I'm not as high on Seabold as I was a while ago, but I think he'll be on the 40 and start in AAA. I see others shown the door before him.

 

We have 5 guys on the 60 day IL that have to be added back, this winter (Sale, taylor, Houck, Paxton & Cordero) and 6 free agents-to-be (Bogey, JD, Nate, Wacha, Hill & Strahm.) We also only have 39 on the 40, now, so after adjustments (+5 and -6), we'll have 38. Two player options: Paxton and Pham. They bring us to 2-4 open slots.

 

Now, Rule 5 additions/protectees:

Ceddanne Rafaela

Brandon Walter

Enmauel Valdez (MiLB FA)

Eddinson Paulino

Wikelman Gonzalez

Chris Murphy (??)

 

Possible to Doubtful: TWard, Bonaci, Hamilton, Santos, Sogard

 

Let's go with 6 Rule 5 additions, not counting someone we might draft.

 

This puts us 2-4 over the 40 man mark, before any additions via free agency or trade and any DFAs, trades or non-tenders. Here is my list of players we may DFA, trade or non-tender:

 

1. DHern

2. Brasier

3. Cordero

4. Chang

5. Almonte

6. Ort

 

Trade?

Bazardo

Seabold

Winckowski

Barnes

Downs

Dalbec or Hosmer

Duran

Danish

Kelly

 

Of course we won't DFA or trade even half of these guys, but it's not like anyone should cry, if we have to move enough of these guys to make room for Rule 5 and winter additions.

 

I don't see a major roster crunch. At worst, we might need to decide who to keep: Ort or Kelly. Trade Hosmer or Dalbec. Seabold or Wink.

[mvp 78]

Paulino is way too far away to be protected. Wikelman is probably too far away to be protected this time. Would a team be likely to select Wikelman after 17 innings in High A? His Low A numbers weren't popping off the stat sheet. Murphy doesn't have a long track record of success and struggled in AAA this season. He may not be protected either.

 

Personally, I think it's more likely that Ward is protected than any of the guys you mentioned. He's much closer in proximity to the bigs so he's easier to stash and he's performed well since coming back from TJS.

[moonslav59]

Paulino is way too far away to be protected. Wikelman is probably too far away to be protected this time. Would a team be likely to select Wikelman after 17 innings in High A? His Low A numbers weren't popping off the stat sheet. Murphy doesn't have a long track record of success and struggled in AAA this season. He may not be protected either.

 

Personally, I think it's more likely that Ward is protected than any of the guys you mentioned. He's much closer in proximity to the bigs so he's easier to stash and he's performed well since coming back from TJS.

 

I think Rafaela, Walter and Valdez are ahead of Ward, but you are probably right about Paulino, Murphy and Wikelman.

 

So, that's 4 gus not 6- even less of a "crunch."

 

I wondered, when the expanded to 26 man rosters, if more teams might take farther away top prospects and just stash them on the bench for a year, but it didn't seem to happen, year one.

[mvp 78]

I think Rafaela, Walter and Valdez are ahead of Ward, but you are probably right about Paulino, Murphy and Wikelman.

 

So, that's 4 gus not 6- even less of a "crunch."

 

I wondered, when the expanded to 26 man rosters, if more teams might take farther away top prospects and just stash them on the bench for a year, but it didn't seem to happen, year one.

 

I agree that Rafaela and Valdez are ahead of Ward.

 

Walter will probably be protected? IDK. He's another weird profile guy. He'll be 27 next September. He's only thrown 7.2 innings above AA. Command heavy and not overpowering. What's the medical situation look like?