2023 Free Agents

[notin]

If I’m trading Casas it better be for a pitcher. He’s a potential middle of the order bat who appears to be MLB ready. Trading him for an OF just seems like a sideways move. I’m trying to move forward.

 

… unless Casas isn’ts as good a hitter as Reynolds…

[Hugh2]

… unless Casas isn’ts as good a hitter as Reynolds…

 

And what if Casas is better? As a hit first first base prospect the .842 ops bar isn’t that high.

[Hugh2]

I think Dalbec is a better fit in that we return a coat controlled MLB player with good offensive ceiling. Obviously we need to add prospects to that offer that entice Pitt. Maybe Dalbec/Yorke/Perales gets it done. Or Dalbec/Rafaela/Perales.

[notin]

And what if Casas is better? As a hit first first base prospect the .842 ops bar isn’t that high.

 

.843 isn’t easy. Could Casas do it? Certainly. Could Reynolds improved within an actual lineup? Certainly.

 

It’s a safe move for a proven producer.

 

A pitcher would certainly be needed help as well…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Casas, Rafaela and Seabold. Should the Sox do it? Would the Pirates?

 

I rationalized leaving Mayer out since the Pirates have Oneil Cruz…

 

I like him -- career: .281 LH, .281 RH -- but I have to trade from depth. I'm keeping Casas, who looks like a good two-way player, and substitute a middle infielder like Romero, Lugo or Paulino. I don't care what BTV says; two top-10ish prospects plus a pitcher is a pretty good haul for a below-average outfielder with pop.

 

Cruz may end up in centerfield or rightfield for Pitt, but no way I'm parting with Mayer for Reynolds either.

[notin]

I like him -- career: .281 LH, .281 RH -- but I have to trade from depth. I'm keeping Casas, who looks like a good two-way player, and substitute a middle infielder like Romero, Lugo or Paulino. I don't care what BTV says; two top-10ish prospects plus a pitcher is a pretty good haul for a below-average outfielder with pop.

 

Cruz may end up in centerfield or rightfield for Pitt, but no way I'm parting with Mayer for Reynolds either.

 

 

I definitely see that offer getting topped.

 

I don’t see the Sox getting Reynolds and keeping all three of Mayer, Casas and Bello. Probably why talks to date have all failed…

[Hugh2]

.843 isn’t easy. Could Casas do it? Certainly. Could Reynolds improved within an actual lineup? Certainly.

 

It’s a safe move for a proven producer.

 

A pitcher would certainly be needed help as well…

 

I get that argument, but Casas isn’t a far away prospect, he looks poised to be a producer next year. It’s very reasonable to assume Casas will be just as good offensively as Reynolds and his ceiling is someone better. If I’m depleting my farm….it’s for picthing, not a sideways move now with a player who has more team years and could even bet better with the bat.

[Hugh2]

I definitely see that offer getting topped.

 

I don’t see the Sox getting Reynolds and keeping all three of Mayer, Casas and Bello. Probably why talks to date have all failed…

 

They haven’t succeeded with other teams either

[mvp 78]

I definitely see that offer getting topped.

 

I don’t see the Sox getting Reynolds and keeping all three of Mayer, Casas and Bello. Probably why talks to date have all failed…

 

And I pass on Reynolds.

[notin]

And I pass on Reynolds.

 

Any reason?

[notin]

They haven’t succeeded with other teams either

 

We will see what he goes for. They never had a reason to move him before…

[mvp 78]

Any reason?

 

I don’t like giving up the prospects I’d have to give up for him.

[notin]

I don’t like giving up the prospects I’d have to give up for him.

 

That’s a reasonable answer.

 

He will be costly by virtue of being good, cheap, and under control for 3 more seasons…

[Old Red]

And I pass on Reynolds.

 

Agree, and I don’t think Bloom is even considering trading Casas, Mayer, or Bello at this point.

[mvp 78]

Agree, and I don’t think Bloom is even considering trading Casas, Mayer, or Bello at this point.

 

I wouldn’t unless a young controllable ace is coming back.

[moonslav59]

Yes it would, but every team with a cost controlled ACE hangs up on you.

 

Some GM may value Rafaela, Walter and Mata even more than I do. They may prefer Wikelman over Walter. One never knows.

[Hugh2]

Some GM may value Rafaela, Walter and Mata even more than I do. They may prefer Wikelman over Walter. One never knows.

 

I highly doubt it, nobody is valuing that much more. They all know a lot about these kids and they know what their assets are worth.

 

The thing here is, we have perfect example of this in the Chris Sale trade. It took some serious prospect capital to pull that trade off

[moonslav59]

I wouldn’t unless a young controllable ace is coming back.

 

Indeed. I'd add Bleis to the list of "only for a controllable ace" return.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I wouldn’t unless a young controllable ace is coming back.

 

If that's what we keep saying, imagine the ivy leaguers in the front office.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Would the Red Sox and their fans want Reynolds... or Casas at first and Bello on the mound for the next six years, along with Mayer at short and Rafaela in center for at least half of those?

[Bellhorn04]

Would the Red Sox and their fans want Reynolds... or Casas at first and Bello on the mound for the next six years, along with Mayer at short and Rafaela in center for at least half of those?

 

The latter.

[Hugh2]

The latter.

 

I’d gladly give up Rafaela though, who I like. There are big questions about his hit tool, but his slut speed and his elite defensive give him a high floor.

 

If the Pirates believe in the hit tool Rafaela could possibly headline a package.

[moonslav59]

Would the Red Sox and their fans want Reynolds... or Casas at first and Bello on the mound for the next six years, along with Mayer at short and Rafaela in center for at least half of those?

 

I think a lot would get real excited to read we traded for Reynolds, and they don't really keep track or care much about unproven prospects or young players.

 

I would not trade Mayer, Casas, Bello or Bleis for Reynolds. Rafaela, Downs, Duran and Wikelman, yes, but that won't get that deal done.

 

[notin]

Would the Red Sox and their fans want Reynolds... or Casas at first and Bello on the mound for the next six years, along with Mayer at short and Rafaela in center for at least half of those?

 

If BTV is correct, the Sox could have Reynolds, Mayer and Bello.

 

It comes down to who you value more - Reynolds or Casas and Rafaela…

[Hugh2]

If BTV is correct, the Sox could have Reynolds, Mayer and Bello.

 

It comes down to who you value more - Reynolds or Casas and Rafaela…

 

Now so it without Casas too.

[Hugh2]

If they insist on Casas for Reynolds, and I don’t have to add Bello,Mayer, Bleis then maybe I fold if they throw Bednar in.

[notin]

Now so it without Casas too.

 

So… Whitlock?

 

Obviously BTV isn’t the definitive source on acceptable trades, but their neutrality on the whole thing offsets the nature of many fans overvaluing their prospects.

 

I mean, the Sox have what? Three top 100 prospects? Getting an established, young, cost-controlled player like Reynolds without giving one up isn’t happening. Pittsburgh has to field a team, too. And a lot of the names thrown around just don’t have much value. You rarely see unranked players in A ball headlining blockbuster trades.

 

And Dalbec? He’s almost worthless right now. Struggled against RHP for two years, but still getting closer to arbitration all while playing the easiest position to field. He’s not a headliner for any sort of blockbuster right now. Certainly not untradeable, but any blockbuster trade that includes him could probably also be pulled off without him…

[notin]

If they insist on Casas for Reynolds, and I don’t have to add Bello,Mayer, Bleis then maybe I fold if they throw Bednar in.

 

I would think you’re not getting Reynolds without at least one of Casas, Bello or Mayer. And I’m not sure if they’d want Mayer or not due to Cruz. Of the other two, I’d deal Casas first.

 

But they’re not adding Bednar - 4 years of control and plenty of value on his own - to get Casas. Adding Bednar isn’t some sort of equalizer. Adding Bednar means you probably have to give up both Casas and Bello, and probably more…

[Hugh2]

I would think you’re not getting Reynolds without at least one of Casas, Bello or Mayer. And I’m not sure if they’d want Mayer or not due to Cruz. Of the other two, I’d deal Casas first.

 

But they’re not adding Bednar - 4 years of control and plenty of value on his own - to get Casas. Adding Bednar isn’t some sort of equalizer. Adding Bednar means you probably have to give up both Casas and Bello, and probably more…

 

I was under the assumption Casas and Rafaela are headlining that trade+++

[moonslav59]

One trade candidate hardly anyone is mentioning is Houck. Maybe his injury makes him an unlikely target, but including him in a trade would help us avoid giving a top 3 prospect.

 

BTV accepted this (I would not do it):

 

Rafaela, Houck, Romero, Yorke and Walter for Reynolds

 

BTV accepted this one:

 

Rafaela & Walter for Keller (I threw in Duran to sweeten the pot)

 

 

Edited December 3, 2022 by moonslav59