Vazquez traded to Houston

[JDavis76]

The sox certainly did vaz dirty.

 

If the trade was that far a long, really just pending a physical, they should never had him out on the field like that in a sox uni.

 

Classless

[oldtimer]

Moon never thought Vaz was good enough, but Moon is not the talent evaluator he thinks he is. Vaz had some big clutch hits through the years.

I wanted to keep him although he becomes a FA at years end. They apparently decided at his age and with the wear and tear, they didn't think they should compete to sign him. My view is that is difficult to get good offensive catches and we should have kept him while developing a young catcher behind him.

[Hugh2]

The sox certainly did vaz dirty.

 

If the trade was that far a long, really just pending a physical, they should never had him out on the field like that in a sox uni.

 

Classless

 

Was it? If the deal was done he wouldn’t be playing for the Sox. What they did was very ordinary

[JDavis76]

Was it? If the deal was done he wouldn’t be playing for the Sox. What they did was very ordinary

 

Umm, he's not playing for the sox, WTH are you yammering about?

[Hugh2]

Umm, he's not playing for the sox, WTH are you yammering about?

 

Teams don’t pull guys until trades are a done deal. They don’t make them take the uniform off and stay away from the team. That doesn’t happen, if the trade was a done deal he wouldn’t be with the team.

 

What are you talking about, I’m going by your OC which isn’t what happens in baseball. It just stinks of old man yelling at cloud.

[Hugh2]

The Sox didn’t do Vaz dirty.

[JDavis76]

The Sox didn’t do Vaz dirty.

 

Nonsense, they hung him out to dry.

 

Did you even watch what happened on ESPN? The dude got blindsided by the reporters, was practically in tears and then the sox PR guy had to grab him and pull him away. If the trade was that close to being done, they should have never put him in that position.

[moonslav59]

Valdez stats are pretty insane to be considered the 28th best prospect in Houstons system.

 

Valdez jumped to #12 in BA's midseason rankings- Abreu #21.

 

If the Astros have a similar rated system as ours, their comps might be:

 

Paulino & Jimenez

 

[JDavis76]

Pete Abraham

@PeteAbe

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1h

Bloom says status quo with Bogaerts and Devers, no talks involving them.

 

Does not offer that assurance to any others. "A lot will depend on what happens in the next 20 hours or so."

[notin]

The sox certainly did vaz dirty.

 

If the trade was that far a long, really just pending a physical, they should never had him out on the field like that in a sox uni.

 

Classless

 

If the Yankees did it, you’d be praising them.

 

It was an ordinary occurrence…

[JDavis76]

If the Yankees did it, you’d be praising them.

 

It was an ordinary occurrence…

 

Nonsense, it was a horrible move. Even jd martinez brought up the fact that vaz even participated in the hitters' meeting, info that he could share with his new club.

 

https://nypost.com/2022/08/01/the-awkward-moment-christian-vasquez-learned-he-was-traded/

[notin]

Nonsense, it was a horrible move. Even jd martinez brought up the fact that vaz even participated in the hitters' meeting, info that he could share with his new club.

 

https://nypost.com/2022/08/01/the-awkward-moment-christian-vasquez-learned-he-was-traded/

 

And if it fell apart, Vazquez would have played tonight. And lots of deals collapse in an instant regardless of prior progress.

 

Like I said, if it was the Yankees, you’d miraculous understand …

[JDavis76]

And if it fell apart, Vazquez would have played tonight. And lots of deals collapse in an instant regardless of prior progress.

 

Like I said, if it was the Yankees, you’d miraculous understand …

 

Nope, it was poorly handled all the way around.

 

And it's not just my opinion, the sox are getting called out on it all over twitter.

[JDavis76]

And if it fell apart, Vazquez would have played tonight. And lots of deals collapse in an instant regardless of prior progress.

 

Like I said, if it was the Yankees, you’d miraculous understand …

 

You mean like you are now?

[notin]

Nope, it was poorly handled all the way around.

 

And it's not just my opinion, the sox are getting called out on it all over twitter.

 

Everything the Sox do gets called out on Twitter. (And probably the Yankees, too.) It was only odd because they were playing thff RF team they were trading with in a nationally televised game, so some people saw something they don’t always get to see, and then get all judgmental about it. You know, like you’re doing…

[JDavis76]

Everything the Sox do gets called out on Twitter. (And probably the Yankees, too.) It was only odd because they were playing thff RF team they were trading with in a nationally televised game, so some people saw something they don’t always get to see, and then get all judgmental about it. You know, like you’re doing…

 

Geez, as I said, even jd martinez thought it was weird.

[mvp 78]

and then get all judgmental about it.

 

The problem is that there is a certain segment on here that just complains about everything no matter what. If Bloom didn't trade Vazquez they'd be jumping up and down about Bloom doing nothing yesterday. That he was able to turn an expiring deal into two upper level prospects seems fine to me. The worry was that it would be A ball guys, but it was AA/AAA guys so that argument goes away. Bloom even got a replacement for Vazquez, but dumping the second worst contract in the bullpen. Furthermore, just to stop the bleeding in the OF, which many people were outraged over yesterday, they got Tommy Pham for a PTBNL or cash considerations. Is Pham a great player? No. Does he have a higher fWAR than any current Sox OFer? Yes. Are people still complaining about this move that only cost a f***ing PTBNL? Yes. Why? IDK.

[Bellhorn04]

The problem is that there is a certain segment on here that just complains about everything no matter what. If Bloom didn't trade Vazquez they'd be jumping up and down about Bloom doing nothing yesterday. That he was able to turn an expiring deal into two upper level prospects seems fine to me. The worry was that it would be A ball guys, but it was AA/AAA guys so that argument goes away. Bloom even got a replacement for Vazquez, but dumping the second worst contract in the bullpen. Furthermore, just to stop the bleeding in the OF, which many people were outraged over yesterday, they got Tommy Pham for a PTBNL or cash considerations. Is Pham a great player? No. Does he have a higher fWAR than any current Sox OFer? Yes. Are people still complaining about this move that only cost a f***ing PTBNL? Yes. Why? IDK.

 

It's the GOG factor, man, and it's heavily represented here.

 

Grumpy Old Guys.

[Hugh2]

Players don't get up-to-date reports on trade talks involving them, what happened with Vaz was not out of the ordinary, it literally happens every time. This is being perceived differently for two reasons, first off I think the news was broken to him by the news reporter where normally they find out in the clubhouse without the cameras immediately on them. Secondly, there are people who dislike Bloom. To each their own, fans have the right to cheer and root for their team as they see fit, it's a free country so hate Bloom all you want but that's a two-way street so I feel inclined to call people yelling at him for doing what everyone else does as being a baby. You're being babies.

 

In other news. Old men yell at clouds.

[Hugh2]

The problem is that there is a certain segment on here that just complains about everything no matter what. If Bloom didn't trade Vazquez they'd be jumping up and down about Bloom doing nothing yesterday. That he was able to turn an expiring deal into two upper level prospects seems fine to me. The worry was that it would be A ball guys, but it was AA/AAA guys so that argument goes away. Bloom even got a replacement for Vazquez, but dumping the second worst contract in the bullpen. Furthermore, just to stop the bleeding in the OF, which many people were outraged over yesterday, they got Tommy Pham for a PTBNL or cash considerations. Is Pham a great player? No. Does he have a higher fWAR than any current Sox OFer? Yes. Are people still complaining about this move that only cost a f***ing PTBNL? Yes. Why? IDK.

 

He might actually make a pretty good platoon with Duran/Verdugo next year or even this year going down the stretch. They got him for next to nothing.

 

You say GOG, I say old men yelling at clouds.....semantics.

[JDavis76]

The problem is that there is a certain segment on here that just complains about everything no matter what. If Bloom didn't trade Vazquez they'd be jumping up and down about Bloom doing nothing yesterday. That he was able to turn an expiring deal into two upper level prospects seems fine to me. The worry was that it would be A ball guys, but it was AA/AAA guys so that argument goes away. Bloom even got a replacement for Vazquez, but dumping the second worst contract in the bullpen. Furthermore, just to stop the bleeding in the OF, which many people were outraged over yesterday, they got Tommy Pham for a PTBNL or cash considerations. Is Pham a great player? No. Does he have a higher fWAR than any current Sox OFer? Yes. Are people still complaining about this move that only cost a f***ing PTBNL? Yes. Why? IDK.

 

Umm, maybe because of the 2 major leaguers that orlando acquired yesterday, one likes to beat his teammate while the other likes to beat his meat?

[JDavis76]

Players don't get up-to-date reports on trade talks involving them, what happened with Vaz was not out of the ordinary, it literally happens every time. This is being perceived differently for two reasons, first off I think the news was broken to him by the news reporter where normally they find out in the clubhouse without the cameras immediately on them. Secondly, there are people who dislike Bloom. To each their own, fans have the right to cheer and root for their team as they see fit, it's a free country so hate Bloom all you want but that's a two-way street so I feel inclined to call people yelling at him for doing what everyone else does as being a baby. You're being babies.

 

In other news. Old men yell at clouds.

 

You literally just contradicted yourself.

[Hugh2]

You literally just contradicted yourself.

 

How is that contradictory? like the Sox planned for him to have it broken during the interview? what happened was an anomaly....oh ok... it happens 99% of the time not 100......that's not the point.

 

The Sox didn't do anything wrong.

[cp176]

It's the GOG factor, man, and it's heavily represented here.

 

Grumpy Old Guys.

 

So do we have just an old guys category? How about a PA category for those who always end their comments with a challenge for anyone who disagrees with them. I'm an old guy but in many ways I'm going to guess that I'm a lot younger than some who post here. I'm grumpy as well. I don't really like the labelling much particularly in today's environment where everyone has a label it appears. On a forum like this, it is likely no one wins. Many of our illustrious posters on both sides of every issue think that they are 100% correct in their viewpoints. That makes me nervous. To me it means that no one is really willing to listen to anyone else. That often leads to the prersonal attacks. it is where we are today - sad. To be clear though you are an OM and I'm a GOM right ? Oh and also I do enjoy reading all of these comments made by our resident professionals with respect to every issue ever presented about everything. lol Keep on rolling I say.

[Hugh2]

Watch out clouds....

[mvp 78]

Umm, maybe because of the 2 major leaguers that orlando acquired yesterday, one likes to beat his teammate while the other likes to beat his meat?

 

Tell me you don't actually know what you're talking about without telling me you don't actually know what you're talking about.

[JDavis76]

How is that contradictory? like the Sox planned for him to have it broken during the interview? what happened was an anomaly....oh ok... it happens 99% of the time not 100......that's not the point.

 

The Sox didn't do anything wrong.

 

On one hand you say it happens all the time and then you say normally it happens in the clubhouse.

 

Bottom line is players don't normally get blindsided by reporters with the news of a trade during warmups on the field while in uniform. Players don't normally sit through the whole hitters scouting meeting before the game when they are being traded to that night's opponent.

 

Sheesh.....

[JDavis76]

Tell me you don't actually know what you're talking about without telling me you don't actually know what you're talking about.

 

Sorry, correction, it wasn't his teammate.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Trading Vazquez shouldn't be a surprise for any fans who have been following the Red Sox since last winter, when Bloom showed he was ready to move on from Vazquez when it was disclosed there was a deal discussed for Stallings (who instead was swapped to Miami). They weren't going to resign Vaz, so at least they got two lottery tickets for him before he left.

 

I'm not a big Bloom apologist, but at least he's showing he's not just cleaning house, after adding a new catcher and outfielder. If indignant fans could just shut up about the new guys' character flaws -- oh, the horrors -- they'd see that.

[mvp 78]

Sorry, correction, it wasn't his teammate.

 

People complain over and over again that baseball players are too chummy and they hate it when players yuck it up on the field. However, when you have a guy like Pham who actively says he'll fight the other team, the same people get pissed off about it.

 

You can't eat the whole cake and then be pissed off that the cake isn't sitting on the counter later on.